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I think a lot of pens fans would strongly consider letang for eriksson. The idea of actually moving letang only came up a bit ago but the consensus use that if the return I'd worth it they would do it. Personally, I think eriksson is worth it
I think a lot of pens fans would strongly consider letang for eriksson. The idea of actually moving letang only came up a bit ago but the consensus use that if the return I'd worth it they would do it. Personally, I think eriksson is worth it
Eriksson is great, but he's not enough to get Letang. Letang is a young #1 defenceman; they just aren't traded.
I think a lot of pens fans would strongly consider letang for eriksson. The idea of actually moving letang only came up a bit ago but the consensus use that if the return I'd worth it they would do it. Personally, I think eriksson is worth it
Um, the ones that know a #1 D-man is worth way more than a #1 winger wouldn't do this, ever.
Now I can finally say someone made a valiant effort to create a workable trade where Dallas moves Loui Eriksson.
I still think it's unlikely this happens. Dallas is bad enough on defense I could see them being more willing to make the move, but the Pens seem like they would be more willing to just hold on to Letang. I'm sure they can find quality wingers to not suck next to their world class centers. Good to average wingers via a different trade + still having Letang is probably more valuable than just getting Eriksson.
Personally, I don't do it, but I could see GM Joe making that move.
any concern for Ericksson? he is having a very slow start to the season.
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The whole team is. He'll be fine.
... but I'd argue he's looked just fine. I can't recall a game I'd point to where he's played poorly. Just like the past several years, he's Dallas' best overall player. The points aren't coming, but he's not getting much help out there.
He's already playing on his 4th line combination, right?
If you want a guy like Eriksson, you have to give up a guy of equal or better caliber. Best choice on Pittsburgh is Letang. It's a two-way road.
Not saying the Stars would necessarily be the team to offer the most, but someone would beat an offer of Eriksson for Letang. Top line wingers are available much more frequently than #1 defensemen.
Not saying the Stars would necessarily be the team to offer the most, but someone would beat an offer of Eriksson for Letang. Top line wingers are available much more frequently than #1 defensemen.
How many have been traded? Kovalchuk and Kessel? I don't think many teams, if any at all, would give up a player of Eriksson's caliber for Letang straight up. I wouldn't, I'd want more actually.
You must of forgot the sarcasm icon at the end of this. There is no need for another goalie in Dallas with Lehtonen, Bachman and Nilstrop. If Nashvinne wants Eriksson then start with Weber.
You must of forgot the sarcasm icon at the end of this. There is no need for another goalie in Dallas with Lehtonen, Bachman and Nilstrop. If Nashvinne wants Eriksson then start with Weber.
My post was so bad it didn't need the sarcasm icon. T'was implied.
How many have been traded? Kovalchuk and Kessel? I don't think many teams, if any at all, would give up a player of Eriksson's caliber for Letang straight up. I wouldn't, I'd want more actually.
This is why elite players don't get traded.
I remember more than a few Dallas fans saying it would be Neal for Letang +.
Just from memory top line wingers that have been available recently:
Kessel
Kovalchuk
Hossa
Parise
Horton
Neal
Stewart
Heatly
#1 D that have been available recently:
Suter
Dan Boyle in 2008
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Do Paul Martin or Erik Johnson count??
Considering you might be able to add Corey Perry or Jarome Iginla to the winger list by the end of this year I think my point is fairly strong. #1 D are just not out there.
I remember more than a few Dallas fans saying it would be Neal for Letang +.
Just from memory top line wingers that have been available recently:
Kessel
Kovalchuk
Hossa
Parise
Horton
Neal
Stewart
Heatly
#1 D that have been available recently:
Suter
Dan Boyle in 2008
...
Do Paul Martin or Erik Johnson count??
Considering you might be able to add Corey Perry or Jarome Iginla to the winger list by the end of this year I think my point is fairly strong. #1 D are just not out there.
Every single one of those, except Kessel, was an upcoming UFA or not at Eriksson's caliber.
I remember more than a few Dallas fans saying it would be Neal for Letang +.
Do you really think that Neal's value (+ Niskanen) was a Goligoski prior to the trade? Who could have possibly predicted this deal?! It was a desperate move made during a desperate time when the team was sliding and had problems moving the puck in their own zone...and one that is looking more idiotic as time goes by. Adding salt to the wound are the facts that Niskanen- a throw-in in that deal- has re-surged and alleged rumors that our GM didn't bother shopping Neal around and had he done that a little more, he'd have probably received a much better return.
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Just from memory top line wingers that have been available recently:
Kessel
Kovalchuk
Hossa
Parise
Horton
Neal
Stewart
Heatly
#1 D that have been available recently:
Suter
Dan Boyle in 2008
...
Do Paul Martin or Erik Johnson count??
Considering you might be able to add Corey Perry or Jarome Iginla to the winger list by the end of this year I think my point is fairly strong. #1 D are just not out there.
While these discussions are hypothetical fantasies, you have to understand that we're discussing the value of Eriksson. Not Letang. The only argument being made right now is that Eriksson doesn't leave unless it's for a return of that sort, i.e. a #1D. In another thread* involving a NSH Predators fan, I think most agreed that Eriksson doesn't leave unless it involves Weber coming this way (most likely we add to Eriksson, but that's not relevant). With Neal gone, Ryder probably gone too, and Morrow a shell of his former self, we have no bona fide top-six wingers left for the long haul (if you consider Benn as a center), save for Eriksson, and that does make him valuable enough to the team for us to have such an opinion of him.
Will Joe Nieuwendyk pull another stupid and desperate move with Eriksson ala Neal+Niskanen for Goligoski in the future? Who the hell knows.
*I was just made aware it was in this thread. Apologies.
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Really? You think that doesn't play any role at all?
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My point is NHL teams have more opportunities to add top line wingers than they have to add #1 defencemen.
Eriksson is a top 10 player at his position, but his position is one of the least difficult to fill.
Ideally speaking, while the winger spot seems easy to fill, that doesn't mean it has to hold true for all circumstances. I just explained why Eriksson is vital and if you can't see that, then I don't know what to say. If you can find a better deal than Eriksson for Letang, we can too.
Do you really think that Neal's value (+ Niskanen) was a Goligoski prior to the trade? Who could have possibly predicted this deal?! It was a desperate move made during a desperate time when the team was sliding and had problems moving the puck in their own zone...and one that is looking more idiotic as time goes by. Adding salt to the injury are the facts that Niskanen- a throw-in in that deal- has re-surged and alleged rumors that our GM didn't bother shopping Neal around and had he done that a little more, he'd have probably received a much better return.
While these discussions are hypothetical fantasies, you have to understand that we're discussing the value of Eriksson. Not Letang. The only argument being made right now is that Eriksson doesn't leave unless it's for a return of that sort, i.e. a #1D. In another thread involving a NSH Predators fan, I think most agreed that Eriksson doesn't leave unless it involves Weber coming this way (most likely we add to Eriksson, but that's not relevant). With Neal gone, Ryder probably gone too, and Morrow a shell of his former self, we have no bona fide top-six wingers left for the long haul (if you consider Benn as a center), save for Eriksson, and that does make him valuable enough to the team for us to have such an opinion of him.
Will Joe Nieuwendyk pull another stupid and desperate move with Eriksson ala Neal+Niskanen for Goligoski in the future? Who the hell knows.
Do you really think that Neal's value (+ Niskanen) was a Goligoski prior to the trade? Who could have possibly predicted this deal?! It was a desperate move made during a desperate time when the team was sliding and had problems moving the puck in their own zone...and one that is looking more idiotic as time goes by. Adding salt to the wound are the facts that Niskanen- a throw-in in that deal- has re-surged and alleged rumors that our GM didn't bother shopping Neal around and had he done that a little more, he'd have probably received a much better return.
An HF Boards poster did; Search Rowdy Roddy Peeper's post history.
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Really? You think that doesn't play any role at all?
Guys being pending UFAs affects trade value. It doesn't make the fact that they were available less valid. NHL teams regularly get the chance to add top line wingers. They almost never get the chance to add a #1 defender.
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Ideally speaking, while the winger spot seems easy to fill, that doesn't mean it has to hold true for all circumstances. I just explained why Eriksson is vital and if you can't see that, then I don't know what to say. If you can find a better deal than Eriksson for Letang, we can too.
No one in the NHL will trade you a Letang, Karlsson, or Pietrangelo for Loui Eriksson. Go make the proposal and see how fast you get shot down.
An HF Boards poster did; Search Rowdy Roddy Peeper's post history.
You took my rhetorical question quite literally. It's ONE poster. This would never have been on many people's minds is what I meant by that statement.
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Guys being pending UFAs affects trade value.
Exactly.
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It doesn't make the fact that they were available less valid. NHL teams regularly get the chance to add top line wingers. They almost never get the chance to add a #1 defender.
A fact that doesn't account for teams that may not have the chance to add "top line wingers" as regularly as you think. We happen to be one of those teams, and I just illustrated our predicament quite explicitly. I agree #1D is hard to find in the league today, but our predicament makes Eriksson irreplaceable. Neither Smith, Ritchie, Chiasson, are in any position to replace him if Jagr, Ryder, Morrow are all gone.
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No one in the NHL will trade you a Letang, Karlsson, or Pietrangelo for Loui Eriksson. Go make the proposal and see how fast you get shot down.
Pah! So be it then. I have no intentions of making proposals to trade him...never have, never will. This thread was started by a Preds fan, FTR.
For the last time: This discussion is about assessing Eriksson's value based on his importance to our franchise and I already explained why...and yet you consistently exhibit an obtuse POV. Bottomline is that almost all Stars fans are perfectly happy keeping him and his nice cap-hit UNLESS it's involves a #1D, EVEN IF we had to add from our side. That is ALL I am saying.
