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The 2000-2010 Drafts from a Flames Perspective

So I was curious and thought it’d be interesting looking back at the draft success of the Flames during the past decade. I know that the Sutter regime had a pretty bad track record but nonetheless, I'm curious to see what everyone thinks.


So ever since the 2000 entry draft, we’ve had 95 picks, which is quite a bit but out of those we have 13 solid NHL regulars. Most of the regulars we drafted are 3rd or 4th line guys with exceptions in Phaneuf and possibly Backlund and Brodie.

The 13 players are:
Kurtis Foster, Jarret Stoll, Travis Moen, Chuck Kobasew, David Moss, Eric Nystrom, Matthew Lombardi, Dion Phaneuf, Brandon Prust, Dustin Boyd, Adam Pardy, Mikael Backlund, TJ Brodie

Also, we’ve had some pretty bad luck with firsts:
2000 1st Round (9th Overall): Brent Krahn (1GP)
2001 1st Round (14th Overall): Chuck Kobasew (531GP, 131P)
2002 1st Round (10th Overall): Eric Nystrom (360GP, 72P)
2003 1st Round (9th Overall): Dion Phaneuf (552GP, 312P)
2004 1st Round (24th Overall): Kris Chucko (2GP)
2005 1st Round (26th Overall): Matt Pelech (5GP)
2006 1st Round (26th Overall): Leland Irving (7GP)
2007 1st Round (24th Overall): Mikael Backlund (138GP, 46P)
2008 1st Round (25th Overall): Greg Nemisz (15GP)
2009 1st Round (23rd Overall): Tim Erixon (18GP)

Also, our most prominent busts are probably: Brent Krahn (9th Overall, 1GP), Andrei Taratukhin (41st Overall, 0GP), Brian McConnell (39th Overall, 0GP), Tim Ramholt (39th Overall, 1GP), Kris Chucko (24th Overall, 2GP), Matt Pelech (26th Overall, 5GP), The entire 2006 draft class (Not a single game played other than Leland Irving), Mitch Wahl (48th Overall, 0GP)

While some gems we found are: David Moss (220th Overall, 317 GP), Matthew Lombardi (90th Overall, 508GP), Curtis McElhinney (176th Overall, 69GP), Adam Pardy (173rd Overall, 183GP)

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So I was curious and thought itd be interesting looking back at the draft success of the Flames during the past decade. I know that the Sutter regime had a pretty bad track record but nonetheless, I'm curious to see what everyone thinks.


So ever since the 2000 entry draft, weve had 95 picks, which is quite a bit but out of those we have 13 solid NHL regulars. Most of the regulars we drafted are 3rd or 4th line guys with exceptions in Phaneuf and possibly Backlund and Brodie.

The 13 players are:
Kurtis Foster, Jarret Stoll, Travis Moen, Chuck Kobasew, David Moss, Eric Nystrom, Matthew Lombardi, Dion Phaneuf, Brandon Prust, Dustin Boyd, Adam Pardy, Mikael Backlund, TJ Brodie

Also, weve had some pretty bad luck with firsts:
2000 1st Round (9th Overall): Brent Krahn (1GP)
2001 1st Round (14th Overall): Chuck Kobasew (531GP, 131P)
2002 1st Round (10th Overall): Eric Nystrom (360GP, 72P)
2003 1st Round (9th Overall): Dion Phaneuf (552GP, 312P)
2004 1st Round (24th Overall): Kris Chucko (2GP)
2005 1st Round (26th Overall): Matt Pelech (5GP)
2006 1st Round (26th Overall): Leland Irving (7GP)
2007 1st Round (24th Overall): Mikael Backlund (138GP, 46P)
2008 1st Round (25th Overall): Greg Nemisz (15GP)
2009 1st Round (23rd Overall): Tim Erixon (18GP)

Also, our most prominent busts are probably: Brent Krahn (9th Overall, 1GP), Andrei Taratukhin (41st Overall, 0GP), Brian McConnell (39th Overall, 0GP), Tim Ramholt (39th Overall, 1GP), Kris Chucko (24th Overall, 2GP), Matt Pelech (26th Overall, 5GP), The entire 2006 draft class (Not a single game played other than Leland Irving), Mitch Wahl (48th Overall, 0GP)

While some gems we found are: David Moss (220th Overall, 317 GP), Matthew Lombardi (90th Overall, 508GP), Curtis McElhinney (176th Overall, 69GP), Adam Pardy (173rd Overall, 183GP)
hes a gem? same with pardy

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hes a gem? same with pardy
Well a solid backup goalie or a 4th liner in the 6th round. Personal definition of gem..

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Ugh.. These are terrible. Im happy with the Backlund pick especially this season, Dion Phaneuf was also a great pick at the time. But overall, they're really bad picks. So many busts.. It does seem like things are changing though with Weisbrod and company as our last 2 years have been pretty good drafts so far. Lets hope it continues.

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Christ that is terrible to look at,
Even worse when you consider from 2000-2007
Lombardi, Phaneu, and Backlund were the only top players we got. Only 1 top 2 defensemen and 1/2(depends on your view of Lombardi) top 6 forward

so out of 73 picks we got 3 skilled players, just ****ing terrible.

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It goes to show that tanking is meaningless unless you have the proper team to build a hockey club.

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Drafting under Sutter was pretty awful... 2006 pretty much sums it up

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Also, the thing about Phaneuf is that he was chosen in the 03 draft, which was so deep that only 2 picks in the first round didnt become NHL regulars and more than half the picks became top 6 forwards or top 4 dmen.. So it was pretty hard for us to mess that pick up...

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I remember Sutter saying that the scouts advised him to take Ramholt over Shea Weber. What a mistake that was.

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Also, the thing about Phaneuf is that he was chosen in the 03 draft, which was so deep that only 2 picks in the first round didnt become NHL regulars and more than half the picks became top 6 forwards or top 4 dmen.. So it was pretty hard for us to mess that pick up...
I think 2008 is the perfect example the pick we originally had was used for Gardiner and we took the safe Nemisz over the higher ranked Carlson and the small but higher producing Ennis, Thank god for TJ brodie or we would have had nothing.

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Drafting under Sutter was pretty awful... 2006 pretty much sums it up
The 2005 Draft was also a disaster.

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In those 10 drafts, the team selected one impact player, who now applies his trade in Toronto. It's incredibly difficult to build a contender when the club whiffs so much in the draft.

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I remember Sutter saying that the scouts advised him to take Ramholt over Shea Weber. What a mistake that was.
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In those 10 drafts, the team selected one impact player, who now applies his trade in Toronto. It's incredibly difficult to build a contender when the club whiffs so much in the draft.
The fact that he plays in Toronto isn't the issue. The issue is the players from Toronto who now play for us. So Matt Stajan... But that's a whole nother thread

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Ugh, thats depressing. Sutter really hurt this franchise with terrible drafting and poor trades.
(Not all of the trades were neccessarily bad, but it defintely crippled our prospects and skilled youth).

2003: Traded our 2nd
2004 : Traded our 2nd
2005: Traded our 2nd
2006: Traded our 2nd
2007: Traded our 2nd
2009: Traded our 2nd
2010: Traded our 1st & 2nd

- Think we all know the trades that hurt us. (Jokinen to PHO, Phaneuf to TOR, etc.)
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I prefer to forget the past, and look (at what seems to be promising) at the future/improvements under Weisbrod and Feaster:

2011: Baertschi, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, Brossoit
2012: Jankowski, Sieloff, Gillies, Kulack, Culkin, Gordon, Deblouw

(The bolded look the most promising).

Lets hope we have another solid draft in New Jersey this June!

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I would like to see Calgary ice a good young team in a couple of years. It would be a nice change of pace from the Sutter era of hockey.

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Ugh, thats depressing. Sutter really hurt this franchise with terrible drafting and poor trades.
(Not all of the trades were neccessarily bad, but it defintely crippled our prospects and skilled youth).

2003: Traded our 2nd
2004 : Traded our 2nd
2005: Traded our 2nd
2006: Traded our 2nd
2007: Traded our 2nd
2009: Traded our 2nd
2010: Traded our 1st & 2nd

- Think we all know the trades that hurt us. (Jokinen to PHO, Phaneuf to TOR, etc.)
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I prefer to forget the past, and look (at what seems to be promising) at the future/improvements under Weisbrod and Feaster:

2011: Baertschi, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, Brossoit
2012: Jankowski, Sieloff, Gillies, Kulack, Culkin, Gordon, Deblouw

(The bolded look the most promising).

Lets hope we have another solid draft in New Jersey this June!
Bro you should IMO Bold all of them

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Bro you should IMO Bold all of them
It's early but two drafts have the sort of promise we've never seen before.

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Ouch, they're hard to look at. The only promising player to come out right is Backlund.

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Ugh, thats depressing. Sutter really hurt this franchise with terrible drafting and poor trades.
(Not all of the trades were neccessarily bad, but it defintely crippled our prospects and skilled youth).

2003: Traded our 2nd
2004 : Traded our 2nd
2005: Traded our 2nd
2006: Traded our 2nd
2007: Traded our 2nd
2009: Traded our 2nd
2010: Traded our 1st & 2nd

- Think we all know the trades that hurt us. (Jokinen to PHO, Phaneuf to TOR, etc.)
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I prefer to forget the past, and look (at what seems to be promising) at the future/improvements under Weisbrod and Feaster:

2011: Baertschi, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, Brossoit
2012: Jankowski, Sieloff, Gillies, Kulack, Culkin, Gordon, Deblouw

(The bolded look the most promising).

Lets hope we have another solid draft in New Jersey this June!
Why would you bold Wotherspoon and not Granlund? Both were effective at the world juniors and unlike the rest of those prospects he is playing against men.

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Ugh, thats depressing. Sutter really hurt this franchise with terrible drafting and poor trades.
(Not all of the trades were neccessarily bad, but it defintely crippled our prospects and skilled youth).

2003: Traded our 2nd
2004 : Traded our 2nd
2005: Traded our 2nd
2006: Traded our 2nd
2007: Traded our 2nd
2009: Traded our 2nd
2010: Traded our 1st & 2nd

- Think we all know the trades that hurt us. (Jokinen to PHO, Phaneuf to TOR, etc.)
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I prefer to forget the past, and look (at what seems to be promising) at the future/improvements under Weisbrod and Feaster:

2011: Baertschi, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, Brossoit
2012: Jankowski, Sieloff, Gillies, Kulack, Culkin, Gordon, Deblouw

(The bolded look the most promising).

Lets hope we have another solid draft in New Jersey this June!
Deblouw was considered for the U.S juniors and many posters in that thread said he should have made it soo thats exciting

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Why would you bold Wotherspoon and not Granlund? Both were effective at the world juniors and unlike the rest of those prospects he is playing against men.
I haven't viewed Granlund enough to make a fair evaluation... I just bolded what I've had a chance to view/follow... Either way, I've been impressed with the mass majority of picks under Feaster/Weisbrod.

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I haven't viewed Granlund enough to make a fair evaluation... I just bolded what I've had a chance to view/follow... Either way, I've been impressed with the mass majority of picks under Feaster/Weisbrod.
If im not mistaken he finished third in the juniors in points behind RNH, Gaudreau. Hopefully he comes to Abby next year and we can really get a better look at him.

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I'll be impressed with Feaster + Weisbros once we see the end results, not the recipe. If someone more than Baerstchi makes an impact in the NHL, I'll have confidence in their drafting

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