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02-01-2013, 07:59 AM
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To CAL: Olli Maatta, 2nd round pick
To PIT: Jarome Iginla

I'm sure this may have already been proposed, but I just wanted to throw it out there because I really do feel like now is the time to deal away the Captain. He's still playing at a very high level, and would be deadly on the wing of someone like Crosby.

Might be what pushes the Pens over the top and allows the Flames to finally start the rebuild that is long overdue with a defensive-minded defenceman, something Calgary doesn't have a lot of.

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****, Pens do that in a heartbeat.

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****, Pens do that in a heartbeat.
Exactly. Stryker Island is one of those guys from CP. When the Flames win they're ready for a cup run, when they lose the world is about to end.

The deal is a good basis, but Flames can easily get more value for Iginla.

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This has nothing to do with the world ending, it has to do with watching the same story unfold year after year.

In a 48-game season, they really needed to get off to a quick start, and unfortunately, they didn't manage to do that.

I love Iginla, but the time has come to send him somewhere that he has a shot at winning a championship.

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Exactly. Stryker Island is one of those guys from CP. When the Flames win they're ready for a cup run, when they lose the world is about to end.

The deal is a good basis, but Flames can easily get more value for Iginla.
As a Pens fan, I think Pouliot is a good start for the trade. Word has it that you guys liked him at the draft. Obviously we add- what are you looking for?

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Pouliot, Depres, 1st rounder.

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To CAL: Olli Maatta, 2nd round pick
To PIT: Jarome Iginla

I'm sure this may have already been proposed, but I just wanted to throw it out there because I really do feel like now is the time to deal away the Captain. He's still playing at a very high level, and would be deadly on the wing of someone like Crosby.

Might be what pushes the Pens over the top and allows the Flames to finally start the rebuild that is long overdue with a defensive-minded defenceman, something Calgary doesn't have a lot of.
PIT fan here who wants nothing to do with Jarome and the price it takes to acquire him. I loved him as a player, but think he is well past his prime for the price. I have low expectations that his future salary would be "grounded" around his true value as a the player he currently is. If CGY wants a bunch of crap in return, sure, but they aren't stupid. Pens have a tough time parting with the assets required to obtain such a valued player.

Don't the Pens have enough stars already? I'd rather have an equal value, matinee ticket forward, like MacArthur or M.Ryder.

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PIT fan here who wants nothing to do with Jarome and the price it takes to acquire him. I loved him as a player, but think he is well past his prime for the price. I have low expectations that his future salary would be "grounded" around his true value as a the player he currently is. If CGY wants a bunch of crap in return, sure, but they aren't stupid. Pens have a tough time parting with the assets required to obtain such a valued player.

Don't the Pens have enough stars already? I'd rather have an equal value, matinee ticket forward, like MacArthur or M.Ryder.
You wouldn't give Maatta + 2nd for Iggy?

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Pouliot, 1st 2013 and blueger

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Start with Morrow and a 1st in 2013 or the Flames don't even listen IMO.

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PIT fan here who wants nothing to do with Jarome and the price it takes to acquire him. I loved him as a player, but think he is well past his prime for the price. I have low expectations that his future salary would be "grounded" around his true value as a the player he currently is. If CGY wants a bunch of crap in return, sure, but they aren't stupid. Pens have a tough time parting with the assets required to obtain such a valued player.

Don't the Pens have enough stars already? I'd rather have an equal value, matinee ticket forward, like MacArthur or M.Ryder.
You pull the trigger on the Iggy deal and don't look back. He is what the organization needs - an older guy driven to win a Cup; one that still produces and one that would provide more veteran leadership.

I have no interest in MaCArthur unless its for a third round pick and a B prospect or Michael Ryder. You don't know what Ryder you will be getting.

Yes, we have some stars, but they aren't doing much absent Neal. Iginla solves alot of problems in the lineup.

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Pouliot, 1st 2013 and blueger
You are giving up too much. You don't need to include Blueger.

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Start with Morrow and a 1st in 2013 or the Flames don't even listen IMO.
In that case I hope the Pens don't bite. Not that Iginla isn't a fantastic player, because he is, but if the Pens are going to give up that much I'd rather see them target someone younger who has a better chance of sticking around long-term even if it meant adding more assets.

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In that case I hope the Pens don't bite. Not that Iginla isn't a fantastic player, because he is, but if the Pens are going to give up that much I'd rather see them target someone younger who has a better chance of sticking around long-term even if it meant adding more assets.
You don't have to start with Morrow at all.

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Would you rather have Morrow or Pouliot as the centerpiece?

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Would you rather have Morrow or Pouliot as the centerpiece?
Pouliot.

Regardless ... its a D prospect and a first with nothing else. No need to add out Latvian prospect in the mix.

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You don't have to start with Morrow at all.
I agree with you, I think if there is one prospect in the entire system Shero might consider more or less untouchable it's Joe Morrow. That said, he's still an unknown at the NHL level and if the perfect deal came along I wouldn't have a problem with Shero dealing him. I just don't think a 35 year old pending UFA is the right deal, even if it is Jarome Iginla.

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In that case I hope the Pens don't bite. Not that Iginla isn't a fantastic player, because he is, but if the Pens are going to give up that much I'd rather see them target someone younger who has a better chance of sticking around long-term even if it meant adding more assets.
That's okay, as the deadline approaches someone will be desperate enough to bite. If Gaustad can land a 1st, then Iginla can land a 1st and a blue chip prospect.

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That's okay, as the deadline approaches someone will be desperate enough to bite. If Gaustad can land a 1st, then Iginla can land a 1st and a blue chip prospect.
People get too carried away on this if Gaustad brought a first round pick, XXX should get XXX without question. Different year carries different returns. I agree, a first and a pretty good prospect for Iggy, but please don't use Gaustad as ammo.

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I agree with you, I think if there is one prospect in the entire system Shero might consider more or less untouchable it's Joe Morrow. That said, he's still an unknown at the NHL level and if the perfect deal came along I wouldn't have a problem with Shero dealing him. I just don't think a 35 year old pending UFA is the right deal, even if it is Jarome Iginla.
There are aways around the pending UFA thing ... make things conditional if he signs with Pittsburgh. So, its XXX and XXX pick for Iggy ... it turns into this if he resigns.

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People get too carried away on this if Gaustad brought a first round pick, XXX should get XXX without question. Different year carries different returns. I agree, a first and a pretty good prospect for Iggy, but please don't use Gaustad as ammo.
Trade value is based on past trades, it's what establishes value. Like it or not the Gaustad trade will impact the trade value of players at this years deadline.

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Trade value is based on past trades, it's what establishes value. Like it or not the Gaustad trade will impact the trade value of players at this years deadline.
To me, its established in the same year, not different years. If you traded Iginla last year, your comment would hold water. This is a different year. The market is much different.

So, 10 years from now are you going to say if Gaustad got a first, then XXX should get this? It doesn't work that way.

Using Gaustad as ammo for your theory is a bit much, but we agree on the return for Iggy.

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Marian Hossa got a 1st and spare parts. It definitely varies year to year depending on who is available and the needs of buyers.

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To me, its established in the same year, not different years. If you traded Iginla last year, your comment would hold water. This is a different year. The market is much different.

So, 10 years from now are you going to say if Gaustad got a first, then XXX should get this? It doesn't work that way.

Using Gaustad as ammo for your theory is a bit much, but we agree on the return for Iggy.
What in the hell are you talking about? Teams reference "recent" trades in establishing trade value, going back more than a year or two is ridiculous, let alone 10.

But ridiculous statements from the fellow who refers to Stempniak as a 12 goal scorer is not surprising.

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Marian Hossa got a 1st and spare parts. It definitely varies year to year depending on who is available and the needs of buyers.
Marian Hossa had also declined offers from Atlanta and was guaranteed to hit the free agent market as well.

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