HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Detroit Red Wings
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Some positive signs: DRW statistics

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-10-2013, 07:48 PM
  #51
nik jr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Congo-Kinshasa
Posts: 10,743
vCash: 500
i think detredWINgs and joe89 mentioned that 5 on 5 is surprisingly good (despite sometimes looking bad and getting outshot).

DRW are currently 5th in 5 on 5 GF/GA ratio, at 1.42, after vancouver (2.00), anaheim (1.75), TBL (1.73) and ottawa (1.43).

near the bottom in PP and PK, though.

nik jr is offline  
Old
02-11-2013, 03:34 AM
  #52
ProPAIN
Playoffs! NOW!!
 
ProPAIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Paris
Country: Belgium
Posts: 13,026
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nik jr View Post
i think detredWINgs and joe89 mentioned that 5 on 5 is surprisingly good (despite sometimes looking bad and getting outshot).

DRW are currently 5th in 5 on 5 GF/GA ratio, at 1.42, after vancouver (2.00), anaheim (1.75), TBL (1.73) and ottawa (1.43).

near the bottom in PP and PK, though.
Although it is improving little by little. Scored a PPG yesterday (and not on a 5 on 3) and killed every penalty. I think limiting Quincey's IT definitely helps. Cleary and Kronwall need to work on their sloppy plays though. As Datsyuk says "you won't take penalties if you don't stop skating".

ProPAIN is offline  
Old
02-11-2013, 06:49 AM
  #53
Henkka
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Finland
Posts: 9,966
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProPAIN View Post
Although it is improving little by little. Scored a PPG yesterday (and not on a 5 on 3) and killed every penalty. I think limiting Quincey's IT definitely helps. Cleary and Kronwall need to work on their sloppy plays though. As Datsyuk says "you won't take penalties if you don't stop skating".
Quincey played most on the PK of our defenceman, but his ES time was reduced. Maybe that reduced ES time for him is a key for a better PK.

PK Ice-Time yesterday
Quincey 3:12
Ericsson 2:33
Lashoff 2:21
Kronwall 1:51
Kindl 1:09
White 0:00


Like it has been said many times, our special teams are fine at home. But I really want to see an upgrade at road games. Like score on the PP, that we haven't done yet.

Henkka is offline  
Old
02-11-2013, 12:17 PM
  #54
Dynheart
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,968
vCash: 500
About Howard. I really think he would perform better if his games were paced better, you know? We know he can do 65 games, but does he need to? Even so, if you take that route? Do you want to front load it like Babcock always does; Howard playing 99% of the first 3/4's of the season, then giving him little breaks here and there towards the end?

Now that he has a capable back up in Mrazek, and The Monster. Maybe every 3rd game he can get a break? Mental breathers are just as important as the physical portions.

Dynheart is offline  
Old
02-11-2013, 01:40 PM
  #55
Run the Jewels
Registered User
 
Run the Jewels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In the Garage
Posts: 10,026
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nik jr View Post
i think detredWINgs and joe89 mentioned that 5 on 5 is surprisingly good (despite sometimes looking bad and getting outshot).

DRW are currently 5th in 5 on 5 GF/GA ratio, at 1.42, after vancouver (2.00), anaheim (1.75), TBL (1.73) and ottawa (1.43).

near the bottom in PP and PK, though.
I mentioned the importance of EVS ratio in the thread where someone opined on just how important the power play is in order to do well. Despite the fact we have one of the worst PP in the entire league we are currently sitting 2nd in the division, 5th in the conference, and in the top 10 overall in the total points. We are also on a 3 game winning streak where we've allowed an average of 1.33 GAA. Just goes to show how cosmetic power play is in terms of actual results.

Run the Jewels is offline  
Old
02-11-2013, 01:47 PM
  #56
joe89
#5
 
joe89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Country: Sweden
Posts: 18,018
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynheart View Post
About Howard. I really think he would perform better if his games were paced better, you know? We know he can do 65 games, but does he need to? Even so, if you take that route? Do you want to front load it like Babcock always does; Howard playing 99% of the first 3/4's of the season, then giving him little breaks here and there towards the end?

Now that he has a capable back up in Mrazek, and The Monster. Maybe every 3rd game he can get a break? Mental breathers are just as important as the physical portions.
In a 82 game schedule I'd like him to play 55 games. Not more. Last season he "only" played 57 games but that was due to injuries, not rest. Obviously you need a legit backup for that, something the Wings have lacked before but seems to finally have.

joe89 is offline  
Old
02-14-2013, 12:23 PM
  #57
Run the Jewels
Registered User
 
Run the Jewels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In the Garage
Posts: 10,026
vCash: 500
In the small victories category we can add the faceoff abilities of Emmerton and Andersson. Emmerton won 57% of his faceoffs last night while Andersson won 54%. On the season Emmerton is at 46% and Joakim is at 63%!

If this keeps up we are going to have to come up with a nickname for Andersson. My suggestion is Baby Gaustad.

Run the Jewels is offline  
Old
02-14-2013, 12:35 PM
  #58
JPE123
Registered User
 
JPE123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,334
vCash: 500
I think Joakim has been pretty impressive. At least he hasn't made any glaring errors and really hustles it up out there. Emmerton has also been working hard and thought his faceoffs were really good last night

JPE123 is offline  
Old
02-14-2013, 02:34 PM
  #59
Vladdy84
L-O-Y-A-L-T-Y
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 9,025
vCash: 500
Jimmy Howard is currently tied for the 4th worst save percentage in the NHL.

Vladdy84 is offline  
Old
02-14-2013, 02:38 PM
  #60
InjuredChoker
Registered User
 
InjuredChoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: LTIR or golf course
Posts: 23,275
vCash: 955
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladdy84 View Post
Jimmy Howard is currently tied for the 4th worst save percentage in the NHL.
He hasn't been that bad, though. We block a lot of shots, have brutal d breakdowns so the shots/opportunities that get through are more often good scoring chances.

Howard's agent isn't happy though.

InjuredChoker is offline  
Old
02-14-2013, 08:18 PM
  #61
nik jr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Congo-Kinshasa
Posts: 10,743
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladdy84 View Post
Jimmy Howard is currently tied for the 4th worst save percentage in the NHL.
he stole the game vs LAK, but he has not been very good this season, and has had several poor games.

nik jr is offline  
Old
02-14-2013, 08:52 PM
  #62
FlashyG
Registered User
 
FlashyG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,992
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladdy84 View Post
Jimmy Howard is currently tied for the 4th worst save percentage in the NHL.
His SV% isn't great but he's not 4th last, he's ahead of 25 goalies.

Even among Starters only he's not THAT bad

Starting goalies with worse SV% than Howard

Nabokov - .897
Bobrovsky - .896
Quick - .891
Theodore - .890
Halak -.889 or Elliott - .849
Neuvirth - .889
Pavelec - .886
Kiprusoff - .870

FlashyG is offline  
Old
02-15-2013, 08:04 AM
  #63
Vladdy84
L-O-Y-A-L-T-Y
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 9,025
vCash: 500
Yeah, my bad. I checked the stats on TSN and didn't notice there was a second page for goalies.

Vladdy84 is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 10:23 AM
  #64
JmanWingsFan
Your average Jman
 
JmanWingsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere
Country: United States
Posts: 4,470
vCash: 500
In spite of Danny Cleary's perceived terrible play, he still has a positive relative Corsi (3rd highest on team amongst those who've played at least 13 games). In fact, his on Ice Corsi of everyone on the team who's played at least 13 games is 3rd behind Filppula and Datsyuk. So really, either he's being hidden pretty by his teammates, or he isn't as bad as we think.

JmanWingsFan is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 10:44 AM
  #65
The Nose
#thefuture
 
The Nose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 7,662
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JmanWingsFan View Post
In spite of Danny Cleary's perceived terrible play, he still has a positive relative Corsi (3rd highest on team amongst those who've played at least 13 games). In fact, his on Ice Corsi of everyone on the team who's played at least 13 games is 3rd behind Filppula and Datsyuk. So really, either he's being hidden pretty by his teammates, or he isn't as bad as we think.
Proves why you can't use advanced statistics in hockey.

The Nose is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 10:50 AM
  #66
Macoun
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 73
vCash: 500
There's no doubt in my mind that clearly is one of the worst players in the nhl right now. The guy can't skate or stay on his feet. After watching last nights game I realized he doesn't even know how to dump the puck either.

It's so sad I wanted Homer to retire so bad and watching clearly I now understand and appreciate 96 even more

Macoun is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 10:50 AM
  #67
Run the Jewels
Registered User
 
Run the Jewels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In the Garage
Posts: 10,026
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JmanWingsFan View Post
In spite of Danny Cleary's perceived terrible play, he still has a positive relative Corsi (3rd highest on team amongst those who've played at least 13 games). In fact, his on Ice Corsi of everyone on the team who's played at least 13 games is 3rd behind Filppula and Datsyuk. So really, either he's being hidden pretty by his teammates, or he isn't as bad as we think.
Yeah, he's benefiting from playing in the top 6 while adding no offense. He is mostly playing with Filppula and Datsyuk. He is still an OK defensive forward who PKs a fair amount. His shooting % is 3.4% which ranks 11th. That's pretty terrible when you consider the scoring opportunities he's receiving playing with one of the best set up men in the league. He's a plugger playing in the top 6 due to injury. I'd rather have Sheahan in that role to be honest.

Run the Jewels is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 11:03 AM
  #68
JmanWingsFan
Your average Jman
 
JmanWingsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere
Country: United States
Posts: 4,470
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nose View Post
Proves why you can't use advanced statistics in hockey.
That's just a stupid thing to say. There's nothing wrong with Corsi.

JmanWingsFan is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 11:04 AM
  #69
WingedWheel1987
Ken Holland's office
 
WingedWheel1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: GPP Michigan
Posts: 9,083
vCash: 500
One positive is Tatar. It's really a shame that it took this long for him to get called up.

Another positive is, Sammy hasn't played since January 21st.

WingedWheel1987 is online now  
Old
02-16-2013, 11:58 AM
  #70
CloneHakanPlease*
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,097
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JmanWingsFan View Post
That's just a stupid thing to say. There's nothing wrong with Corsi.
Your post above proves there is. Stats can be skewed in small sample sizes and certain variables

CloneHakanPlease* is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 02:40 PM
  #71
HTT3*
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posts: 2,055
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WingedWheel1987 View Post
One positive is Tatar. It's really a shame that it took this long for him to get called up.

Another positive is, Sammy hasn't played since January 21st.
Wings PP play and scoring will greatly improve when he [Sammy] returns.

HTT3* is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 02:45 PM
  #72
WingedWheel1987
Ken Holland's office
 
WingedWheel1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: GPP Michigan
Posts: 9,083
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HTT3 View Post
Wings PP play and scoring will greatly improve when he [Sammy] returns.

I will believe that when I see it.

WingedWheel1987 is online now  
Old
02-16-2013, 03:14 PM
  #73
Frk It
#TwentyFour
 
Frk It's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Country: United States
Posts: 13,159
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JmanWingsFan View Post
In spite of Danny Cleary's perceived terrible play, he still has a positive relative Corsi (3rd highest on team amongst those who've played at least 13 games). In fact, his on Ice Corsi of everyone on the team who's played at least 13 games is 3rd behind Filppula and Datsyuk. So really, either he's being hidden pretty by his teammates, or he isn't as bad as we think.
Advanced statistics won't tell you that he can no longer skate, struggles to remain upright, takes bad penalties, and fails to convert quality scoring chances. All you have to do is watch the Wings to know how bad he has been.

Frk It is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 04:27 PM
  #74
JmanWingsFan
Your average Jman
 
JmanWingsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere
Country: United States
Posts: 4,470
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frk It View Post
Advanced statistics won't tell you that he can no longer skate, struggles to remain upright, takes bad penalties, and fails to convert quality scoring chances. All you have to do is watch the Wings to know how bad he has been.
But it does say when Cleary is on the ice, the Wings control the puck more than their opponents. So while they aren't scoring much when he's on, we aren't getting scored on more often. So basically, it's all a wash. He's bad, but he isn't hurting the team, just looking bad.

JmanWingsFan is offline  
Old
02-16-2013, 04:48 PM
  #75
The Nose
#thefuture
 
The Nose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 7,662
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JmanWingsFan View Post
But it does say when Cleary is on the ice, the Wings control the puck more than their opponents. So while they aren't scoring much when he's on, we aren't getting scored on more often. So basically, it's all a wash. He's bad, but he isn't hurting the team, just looking bad.
Maybe that has to do with playing with the best puck possession player in the NHL and Filppula who isn't too bad himself. All while in a puck possession system.

Yes he is hurting the team. He's not only playing extremely poorly but, at the same time, he's taking a spot in the lineup away from a much more capable player.

Advanced statistics are garbage for basically all sports. Statistics are there to give a relative feel to how well a player is performing (Goals, Batting Average, Rebounds, etc.). Since those relative stats aren't conclusive enough to show a players realistic performance, you have to actually watch them. Then you can form an opinion.

The Nose is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:33 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.