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02-09-2013, 01:01 PM
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Hall right now (for me personally) I just don't trust his game, not sure he has the hockey IQ.

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02-09-2013, 01:02 PM
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The problem folks is the playoffs Am I the only one who's scared crapless about them. Have you guys not seen the playoffs the last few years? Only Hall in our top six could compete - the rest will end up in the Infirmary (RNH wouldn't make it past the first period of the first game).

Our top six are Hemsky,Hall, RNH, Gagne, Eberle, Yakupov. Yak will be fine when he gets more mature, Hall already is the, the other four are smurfs. It's a team game and you need to balance - you need BIG to go along with small, we have average (Hall / Yak) and smurfs behind them.

To get big, we gotta trade, as the smurfs will never be able to play their game here. Not yet, too early, but one or two of those will be traded - Gagne and Eberle is my bet

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02-09-2013, 01:06 PM
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Thought this was interesting:

"Most people around O’Reilly expect the Avs to trade him now. I’ll tell you this: when/if O’Reilly plays for another team, expect a good healthy rivalry between him and Matt Duchene every time they play. Plenty of people around O’Reilly are blaming Duchene for taking “short money” on a two-year deal, which effectively set the bar for O’Reilly, one the Avs won’t go over."

http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2013...ign-him/12503/

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02-09-2013, 01:09 PM
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If we could wheel with Buffalo with Yakupov and Myers being the 2 main pieces, that would be awesome. IMO Yakupov at this point is worth more than Myers given his play lately and his contract, I don't know what you would add either way, but it could be a starting point.

We still need to solve our C depth. I don't know what the answer is regarding that. A Ryan O'Reily would be perfect, hopefully his wanted salary would come down if he came to us. I still think Hall could play C and would make a great 1-2 combo with RNH.

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02-09-2013, 01:13 PM
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I think Strudwick is a great guy and all, but he had to have been high when on the show. If you had to either trade one of Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, RNH, and Schultz, or trade the rest of your team for one 7th round pick. You trade the rest of the team for a 7th round pick.

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02-09-2013, 01:15 PM
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??? Oilers don't trade either of the 4..

If the Avs are having trouble signing ROR, I have trouble believing Gagner plus a first in 13 or 14 AND a defensive prospect wouldn't get a trade done...Problem solved in the top 6...without giving up any of the 4.

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02-09-2013, 01:15 PM
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Do not trade Hall. He is one of the few players on our team who brings it every single game. He's also a natural leader.
I have no idea why you think that, or most of this fan base does.

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02-09-2013, 01:16 PM
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Good bye Hall. This team needs a good defenceman or center and he is exactly what will net us this.

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02-09-2013, 01:19 PM
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"We're too small! Let's trade our only skill guy with any sort of size". Bravo HFOil, bravo.

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02-09-2013, 01:20 PM
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Megaton deal with Buffalo

Hemsky
Gagner
Whitney

for

Stafford
Hodgson
Regher
Buffalo has healthy scratched Myers the last few games. He has been bad this year but I would still be interested in him.

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02-09-2013, 01:20 PM
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I wouldn't trade any of the 3, I would trade Gagner and Hemsky.
This ^

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02-09-2013, 01:21 PM
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"We're too small! Let's trade our only skill guy with any sort of size". Bravo HFOil, bravo.
This too...^

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02-09-2013, 01:24 PM
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I have no idea why you think that, or most of this fan base does.
Well spoken guy, lead his team to 2 memorial cups, welcomed RNH at the 2011 draft, attended city council with Horcoff when they were negotiating for a new arena, not to mention you can see his passion on the ice through the way he plays. Those are just a few things that Taylor Hall does that scream leader. There's probably more that I am missing

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02-09-2013, 01:30 PM
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well, obviously we don't trade any yet, but we're talking hypothetically here who we'd move....

The problem is its to early to tell where Yakapov is. He is leading the team in goals, as a rookie. That's impressive. You can't trade a skilled center, so that leaves Ebs or Hall. I personally like Eb's game better. Thus Hall being my choice.

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02-09-2013, 01:36 PM
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well, obviously we don't trade any yet, but we're talking hypothetically here who we'd move....

The problem is its to early to tell where Yakapov is. He is leading the team in goals, as a rookie. That's impressive. You can't trade a skilled center, so that leaves Ebs or Hall. I personally like Eb's game better. Thus Hall being my choice.
If we're talking hypothetical you trade Yakupov. Why? Hypothetically, whether we like it or not the new clause in the CBA means Yak can leave the NHL after his ELC is up, play in the KHL for two years, and return to the NHL as a UFA. Or at least that's what people have been saying, however, that might be wrong.

Hypothetically it would be a disaster if Yak left and you traded Hall for a second line center and scraps.

This does not mean I want them to trade Yak, hell, I don't want to see any of them traded.

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02-09-2013, 01:46 PM
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Nice false dilemma from Struds.

Dump Hemsky, buyout Horcoff and his bloated contract, replace Whitney with a defenseman that can skate for less than 4.5 million a year on the bottom pairing, and fill in around the stars with those players he says the team needs. The Oilers suffer from inexperience and ineffective vets that make too much money, not fatalistic scenarios that require they give up the elite talent the team(and fans) suffered to aquire.

Sadly, I expect this to become a common story surrounding the Oilers in the coming years, especially as they improve as a team - much like the Penguins and their trio of centers for half a decade. Reporters need something to report, even in the absence of anything worth talking about.

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02-09-2013, 01:50 PM
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Good bye Hall. This team needs a good defenceman or center and he is exactly what will net us this.
Gagner is doing fine as 2nd line center and unlike what idiots on the trade forums say, he'd return a lot more than a late first/early 2nd. If we really needed a good 2 way center with size, we can just package Gagner. We already have one top pairing dman in Justin Schultz, the other one doesn't have to be a Weber or anything, even a Giordano/Hamhuis level dman will be sufficient, and we certainly wouldn't have to give up Hall to get that.

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02-09-2013, 01:56 PM
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Buffalo has healthy scratched Myers the last few games. He has been bad this year but I would still be interested in him.
No thanks, he turned into the defenseman version of Penner after signing his big contract.

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02-09-2013, 02:09 PM
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If Hall does well at center...

Trade Gagner for Dman/big fwd
Trade Hemsky for Dman/big fwd
Buyout Horcoff
Let Whitney walk
Get rid of Potter
Bring back Penner for peanuts

Big fwd/RNH/Eberle
Penner/Hall/Yak
Harti/Belanger/PRV
Eager/Lander/Jones

Petry/Smid
J.Schultz/Trade
Trade/N.Schultz
Fistric

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02-09-2013, 02:26 PM
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"We're too small! Let's trade our only skill guy with any sort of size". Bravo HFOil, bravo.
lol this


hall is the most necessary winger to keep (#2 on the team to RNH...only because hes a 1C)

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02-09-2013, 02:36 PM
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I like Brian Boyle, but despite the recent healthy scratch, I'm really not sure the Rangers move him. When you look at what Gaustad got last year (a first rounder), it may cost us more than Teubert and a 3rd



Some compelling points, no three first overall picks aren't ideal but we happen to be in a rebuild so unfortunately that's how things have conspired (to be fair, we won the lottery for that third one) We do need depth C's (guys like say, Andrew Ebbett) who can come up in case of an injury, but we did sign PK specialists (Petrell, Belanger) and traded for depth D (Potter, Fistric). I put the 2-8-2 record up because it seems that sometimes Oiler fans would rather lose and pick up the first overall again then improve even to 9th-12th in the conference (and Washington has the bad record). Could we add pieces? Sure. Is it hard to add pieces when your team in 2009-10 is absolute crap and you have nothing in the system? Yes. The rebuild has allowed us a chance to restock what we have so that we can actually trade those picks for help. The other holes? Like I've said in the past, EVERYONE needs a No.2 C, a big No.2 LW, a No.1 D etc.

I'm not pro-Tambo, because there have been plenty of gross moves in his tenure. What I'm trying to convey is that we are currently in the playoffs and instead of talking about that and any improvement we see, it's all TAMBO SHOULD BE FIRED, HE DIDN'T GET US CENTER DEPTH OR DEPTH D-MAN! Tambo and the crew have done OK so far in the rebuild, I'll give most of the credit to Stu MacGregor really but Tambo has pulled off some positive moves for this club. I'm only asking people to watch Vande Velde to see if he's ready to go instead of spending money or draft picks hastily. It's still a rebuild, and we need to see how good our kids can play, VV included.
Tambellini does address holes in the line-up but usually well after the fact, he is rarely proactive in his moves and never seems to make a move out of need. Trading from a position of need is trading from a position of weakness and a place you should try to avoid as a GM, but acquiring center depth will always be cheap cause there are far too many options to drive a real hard bargain with someone trying to acquire a fringe player.

You can't plan for 4 center injuries, but you should always be carrying 5 NHL ready centers. Center is too important a position and one a winger can rarely play correctly without quite bit of time of tutelage and effort, and even then sometimes they never really grasp it. Most centers can play the wing without much problem, I don't see what the problem is with just signing a player with a lot of center experience like say Boyd Gordon and then tossing him onto the wing like they did in Phoenix. Then the second an injury comes up just toss him into the middle and call-up a winger to fill him spot that he vacated. Often times coaches will throw 2 centers on the ice to take an important draw just incase one gets tossed out, doing a move like this just removes some burden from the centers and you don't have to have one of the centers rushing back to the bench to get the other member of the line he displaced back onto the ice.

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Megaton deal with Buffalo

Hemsky
Gagner
Whitney

for

Stafford
Hodgson
Regher
I'd be very against this deal while I would like them to play better defensively in general, Yakupov+ Gagner+ Hemsky have some pretty good chemistry and I think they are good for Yakupov's development. All three of these members of the team are very well liked by their teammates and I don't think you could package all three out without badly hurting team morale. Hodgson is someone I wanted when I watched him and Eberle tearing it up at the WJC's, but listening to Gillis's comments I'm thinking he very well maybe the locker room cancer he portrayed him as, one that even if he is an improvement on Gagner, which I am not willing to fully concede might not be in our best interests to acquire.

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02-09-2013, 02:59 PM
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If we're talking hypothetical you trade Yakupov. Why? Hypothetically, whether we like it or not the new clause in the CBA means Yak can leave the NHL after his ELC is up, play in the KHL for two years, and return to the NHL as a UFA. Or at least that's what people have been saying, however, that might be wrong.

Hypothetically it would be a disaster if Yak left and you traded Hall for a second line center and scraps.

This does not mean I want them to trade Yak, hell, I don't want to see any of them traded.
This sounds highly unlikely. From everything I can see, read or hear, Yak absolutely loves it in Edmonton. He seems extremely enthusiastic to be an Oiler and seems very grateful that we drafted him, even getting to the point where he thanked us for drafting him.

Just because he's Russian doesn't mean he's gonna bolt to the KHL like Radulov.

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02-09-2013, 03:03 PM
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None of them. If someone wants me to speculate on who to trade they better also be making a proposal to me as to what the deal would look like.

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02-09-2013, 03:07 PM
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Buffalo has healthy scratched Myers the last few games. He has been bad this year but I would still be interested in him.
That guy has fallen off the face of the earth, going from a dominant franchise guy and just getting worse each year. I wonder what happened.

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I have no idea why you think that, or most of this fan base does.
Likely because we've been given no reasons to believe otherwise.

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