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02-03-2013, 09:38 AM
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Ottawa-Colorado

Too Sens:

O'Rielly
O'Byrne

Too Av's

Zibby
Wier
Puemple

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02-03-2013, 09:39 AM
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Ottawa gets ripped

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02-03-2013, 09:45 AM
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Ottawa gets ripped
How so?

If Zibby becomes like O'Rielly i would be As happy as hell. And he still is only 21..O'Byrne gives us toughness in the backend.

Zibby will be alot like O'Rielly if he developes right...I really don't see much offense in his game..Wier is a bottom pairing d-man could fill a top 4 when injuries happen..Puemple im not that high on..

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02-03-2013, 09:48 AM
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How so?

If Zibby becomes like O'Rielly i would be As happy as hell. And he still is only 21..O'Byrne gives us toughness in the backend.

Zibby will be alot like O'Rielly if he developes right...I really don't see much offense in his game..Wier is a bottom pairing d-man could fill a top 4 when injuries happen..Puemple im not that high on..
You just layed out perfectly why I would not do this trade for the Avs.
Kudos .


No if we are forced to trade ROR, this offer is not terrible. But I still think and hope that we can solve this mess or that we can atleast garner a better return. I have not followed Puempel's career trajectory but if he really has regressed like your statement makes it seem, I would
probably need a 1st + Zibby coming back.
Zibby + Cowen would be an absolute no go for the Sens I believe?

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02-03-2013, 09:52 AM
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Why would Colorado trade a young proven 21 year old future Selke candidate for a bunch of question marks? Mika's been struggling and the other two are pretty meh compared to what Radar brings. The guy Colorado would most likely target if Radar was going to get traded to Ottawa would be Cowen.

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You just layed out perfectly why I would not do this trade for the Avs.
Kudos .


No if we are forced to trade ROR, this offer is not terrible. But I still think and hope that we can solve this mess or that we can atleast garner a better return. I have not followed Puempel's career trajectory but if he really has regressed like your statement makes it seem, I would
probably need a 1st + Zibby coming back.
Zibby + Cowen would be an absolute no go for the Sens I believe?
zibby + cowen for duchene maybe

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02-03-2013, 09:56 AM
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You just layed out perfectly why I would not do this trade for the Avs.
Kudos .


No if we are forced to trade ROR, this offer is not terrible. But I still think and hope that we can solve this mess or that we can atleast garner a better return. I have not followed Puempel's career trajectory but if he really has regressed like your statement makes it seem, I would
probably need a 1st + Zibby coming back.
Zibby + Cowen would be an absolute no go for the Sens I believe?
Im no GM but all those players will be NHLers...In Zibby your getting the same type of player like O'Rielly...Zibby + 1st or Cowen is a no go...

Puemple has not regressed he will be a 20+ goal scorer..Wier can play top 4...All are young and can improve.

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02-03-2013, 09:57 AM
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Because O'Reilly is a malcontent with one good year. See, isn't this whole thing fun?

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Because O'Reilly is a malcontent with one good year. See, isn't this whole thing fun?
Except those kids haven't even played in the NHL and Radar's got 3 great years under his belt. First two as a shutdown teenager, and last year where he got a more offensive role. So they are huge question marks relative to Radar.

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Im no GM but all those players will be NHLers...In Zibby your getting the same type of player like O'Rielly...Zibby + 1st or Cowen is a no go...

Puemple has not regressed he will be a 20+ goal scorer..Wier can play top 4...All are young and can improve.
Well the problem is that you can not project Zibby right now. But his ceiling is probably what ROR is now with a little bit more offense and a little worse on D.

If Zibby goes bust, Avs have made the bonehead trade of the century.

So I need a 1st or another high level asset like Cowen back to consider this.
Wier and Puempel are not going to sway the outcome of this trade.
Both will maybe be solid NHL players but nothing special.

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As a Leaf fan... the thought of the Sens having Spezza-Turris-O'Reilly down the middle is downright scary....

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02-03-2013, 10:16 AM
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Why would Colorado trade a young proven 21 year old future Selke candidate for a bunch of question marks? Mika's been struggling and the other two are pretty meh compared to what Radar brings. The guy Colorado would most likely target if Radar was going to get traded to Ottawa would be Cowen.
That`s a stretch. He was injured in the AHL but stil earned a call up with the Sens and has looked great in his two games up.

I'm not interested in the deal from the Sens POV though because of our current depth at center.

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02-03-2013, 10:18 AM
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Avs politely decline. We need something proven coming back for ROR.

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02-03-2013, 10:23 AM
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... We need something proven coming back for ROR.
Milan Michalek for ROR

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That`s a stretch. He was injured in the AHL but stil earned a call up with the Sens and has looked great in his two games up.

I'm not interested in the deal from the Sens POV though because of our current depth at center.
I'm a huge fan of his, but he seems to be struggling right now, I'm not trying to knock him or anything, I'm just calling it like I see it, hopefully he'll fulfill his potential, but I'm not willing to gamble on a deal with him coming back as the main piece. Ad I've said before Cowen or bust.

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Milan Michalek for ROR
Proven but young. I'm thinking 25 years old or younger.

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Proven but young. I'm thinking 25 years old or younger.
I bet we work on this and find you would like unsigned ROR for signed ROR

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I bet we work on this and find you would like unsigned ROR for signed ROR
There's no work to be done. The gist of it is Cowen is about the only reasonable (at least in my view) piece I'm interested in, but I wanted to avoid the inevitable comments on how that's ridiculous.

But yes, I would rather have a signed O'Reilly.

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I bet we work on this and find you would like unsigned ROR for signed ROR
That is a trade that I would love for the Avs.
Major steal!

Can I trade pre concussed Landeskog for After-Stuart Landeskog as well?

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There's no work to be done. The gist of it is Cowen is about the only reasonable (at least in my view) piece I'm interested in, but I wanted to avoid the inevitable comments on how that's ridiculous.

But yes, I would rather have a signed O'Reilly.
+1 agree with your statement and just wanted to back this comment up.

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02-03-2013, 10:44 AM
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Can I trade pre concussed Landeskog for After-Stuart Landeskog as well?
No, time travel is only possible going into the future, but not back to the past

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Would love ROR but we dont need a center.

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Except those kids haven't even played in the NHL and Radar's got 3 great years under his belt. First two as a shutdown teenager, and last year where he got a more offensive role. So they are huge question marks relative to Radar.
Zibanejad and Wiercioch are both playing in the NHL right now and they've played in the NHL prior to this season, shows how much you know about them.

Bad trade for both teams either way.

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Zibanejad and Wiercioch are both playing in the NHL right now and they've played in the NHL prior to this season, shows how much you know about them.

Bad trade for both teams either way.
Yeah, there's an "impressed" missing there. This kids is why you don't post hungover.

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This is a deal I would look long and hard at. I think Wiercioch could develop into a solid top-4 guy, good on the PP as well. I also think that Zibby and Puempel could turn into decent top-6ers. I think it would be based on how well Zibby and Wiercioch adapt to the NHL up to the deadline.

Zibby and Landeskog are also apparently best friends, may help keep both of them on the Avs for slightly less down the line. Would also love to see a Landeskog-Stastny-Zibanejad line at some point.

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