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02-04-2013, 11:01 AM
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So, thought this tweet from McKenzie was interesting, it's in reference to VAN GM Mike Gillis and AGM Laurence Gilman being at the Pens/Caps game yesterday ...



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So, does the "WSH isn't talking to VAN" mean they were scouting the Pens?
Maybe but for who and what? Would the Pens really make a deal for Luongo? Move Fleury somewhere else? Just don't see a deal happening between us and the Nucks

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There really arent too many peices on the Canucks that would help the pens. Kassian would be nice, but he isnt going anywhere. Guys like Raymond, Hansen, etc are just more of what the Pens already have

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02-04-2013, 11:07 AM
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Maybe but for who and what? Would the Pens really make a deal for Luongo? Move Fleury somewhere else? Just don't see a deal happening between us and the Nucks
Kesler's skating with the team again

Seriously, I have no idea. I know Raymond's name has been floated around on these boards before, but that doesn't mean anything.

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02-04-2013, 11:22 AM
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What about Higgins or Booth from the Canucks?

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I know its the buzz on the turd but the say seto is on the block and Kennedy a possible trade peace for the pens

http://insidepittsburghsports.com/st...e-block/54987/

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What about Higgins or Booth from the Canucks?
Booth is injured right now and is not worth his salary IMO

Higgins is a pretty decent utility guy (like Dupuis) but wouldnt add a ton to the existing lineup. Definitely not worth giving up anything of any real value for

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02-04-2013, 11:29 AM
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Isn't Vancouver pretty set, especially on defense? No idea what they would want. LOL to someone bringing up Luongo. I don't know what it is about trades that makes people transport into an alternate reality.

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Something around Joe Morrow+ for Jarome Iginla should be Ray Shero's biggest focus. We can afford to trade one of our bluechip prospects at this point. Of all our D prospects I like J Morrow the best, but even he should be moved if Iginla is on the table. The same goes for Corey Perry obviously.

Shero is dangling a roster that is at an all-time high in trade value. I would really be disappointed if he didn't at least make a move for a Setoguchi/Stewart/Ryder level winger.

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Hm. Thinking about Van's winger situation... don't see Kassian being in play considering they just dealt for him and he's looking good this year. Maybe Burrows is of some interest?
Burrows is holding down the fort on the 2nd line until Kesler comes back, then he'll slide up with the Sedins again I imagine.

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Maybe but for who and what? Would the Pens really make a deal for Luongo? Move Fleury somewhere else? Just don't see a deal happening between us and the Nucks
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There really arent too many peices on the Canucks that would help the pens. Kassian would be nice, but he isnt going anywhere. Guys like Raymond, Hansen, etc are just more of what the Pens already have
An upgrade on D? I honestly do not see it. Who are you going after? Both Hamhuis and Bieska have NTC's, and Edler just signed a 6 yr extension.

Wingers? They have a few smaller pieces (Higgens, Raymond, etc), but I do not see them moving Kassian or Borrows (who I'll admit has some talent, but I absolutely detest). Have some interest in Booth, but I think it's too much risk to take on (cap vs performance) until he's shown he can bounce back.

G? Why would we be considering Luongo when we have MAF and Vokoun? I'm not opposed to Lu, but I don't see the need to expend assets when we have a tandem that should be very good. Even if it was a 1-1 trade (MAF/Lu), is it an upgrade? I'm just not sure that makes sense for the Pens. I could see it for a team like Edmonton/Toronto who need (or have a perceived need) for a competent netminder.

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What about Higgins or Booth from the Canucks?
Booth is injured, and is very injury prone now, but I thought in Florida that he was a great fit for Sid.

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Id offer Maatta before offering his that's first. We'll regret dealing our first in this years draft... Mark it down.
How can you say that? We could regret trading Maatta just as much. And Maatta was a classic case of a top prospect dropping.

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I guess it's under the assumption we draft an forward in the first this year (which I think we will). All things equal, it'd be a more valuable piece than a defenseman from the year before given our prospect pool.

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02-04-2013, 11:49 AM
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I guess it's under the assumption we draft an forward in the first this year (which I think we will). All things equal, it'd be a more valuable piece than a defenseman from the year before given our prospect pool.
But the problem is at best that winger is still probably minimum 2-3 years away from the NHL unless magically we end up with a top 5 pick

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Booth is injured right now and is not worth his salary IMO

Higgins is a pretty decent utility guy (like Dupuis) but wouldnt add a ton to the existing lineup. Definitely not worth giving up anything of any real value for
Higgins is nothing more than a good 3rd liner, wouldnt add anything to Pens. You already have good third liners liek Kennedy et al.

Plus, Vancouver wants to retain a decent third line as well, so they'll keep Higgins. Raymond tho, is paid closer to a second liner and yet IMO performs more like a thirs liner, they may wanna dump him.

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Something around Joe Morrow+ for Jarome Iginla should be Ray Shero's biggest focus. We can afford to trade one of our bluechip prospects at this point. Of all our D prospects I like J Morrow the best, but even he should be moved if Iginla is on the table. The same goes for Corey Perry obviously.

Shero is dangling a roster that is at an all-time high in trade value. I would really be disappointed if he didn't at least make a move for a Setoguchi/Stewart/Ryder level winger.
How is the roster at an all time high in trade value? We finally give some guys opportunities like Jeffrey and Tangradi and they are even worth less than they were before the season started. Despres is probably worth slightly more than last year, but all of the prospects are worth little until they prove they can play in this league.

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02-04-2013, 12:26 PM
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So, thought this tweet from McKenzie was interesting, it's in reference to VAN GM Mike Gillis and AGM Laurence Gilman being at the Pens/Caps game yesterday ...



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So, does the "WSH isn't talking to VAN" mean they were scouting the Pens?
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Luongo for Ovechkin -- why is anyone talking about Schneider (including NBC)? That's ridiculous. It's Luongo who is going to be traded most liekly based on everything that's happened. So this deal would be the only one that would make any sense (of course other pieces might be involved but those two would be the primary ones. The crazy contracts match up pretty well, both fill a big need -- Neuvirth and Holtby aren't bad but both strike me as "solid back-up" types, not starters.


For the Penguins, there's really not a lot that can be done IMO. Both teams are very solid at C, have deep Defensive assets, have solid starting goalies, and are short on skilled wingers.

Wingers most likely to be traded to us if there was a trade, in no order:
Burrows, Higgins, Booth and I want no part of Higgins or Booth. Higgins is not a great player / not going to help this team much. I'd take him dirt cheap but that's it. And Booth while he could be great is having recurring concussion problems the past few years I think.

Burrows I would be very interested in... he could be great on Sid's line and make our PK much better / more dangerous. And he's playoff tested. But I don't really see any means of making a trade for him that improves both teams. The usual "trade D assets" route we talk about, doesn't work very well with Vancouver. Maybe a swap... Kunitz + pick / good prospect for Burrows.

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What about the canucks being part of a three way trade with us and another team?

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By the way there's not a snowball's chance in hell they'll trade Kassian to us. He delivers exactly what they need and on the cheap. And they traded an important asset to get him. Would be like us trading Neal.

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What about the canucks being part of a three way trade with us and another team?
Anything's possible but it's not very likely. Gets way too hypothetical when you start going down that road. Might as well take wild guesses instead of educated ones.

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Knock on luongo has always been not performing as well in the playoffs as he did in regular season, yet there's some that want him? We have a great tandem right now. If fluery struggles in playoffs, we will simply plug vokoun in there. Acquiring a goalie should not even be mentioned

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Kesler's skating with the team again

Seriously, I have no idea. I know Raymond's name has been floated around on these boards before, but that doesn't mean anything.
I just don't think Mason Raymond is the answer to our top 6 problems. Just don't see it making much sense but hey I ain't no GM

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So, Rupp to Minesota. God damn if they screw us on Setoguchi

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So, Rupp to Minesota. God damn if they screw us on Setoguchi
Since you didnt give any sources to this.


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Wild trade Darroll Powe to the Rangers for Mike Rupp.

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NYR have traded Mike Rupp to MIN.

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Since you didnt give any sources to this.


Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Wild trade Darroll Powe to the Rangers for Mike Rupp.


Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
NYR have traded Mike Rupp to MIN.
That's just one weird trade

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I wouldn't mind Burrows.

I think it's more probable that Vancouver is shopping Booth around. At his cap hit and considering how injury prone he is, I wouldn't be shocked if they move him for cheap. Booth and TK were pretty much even in production last year and TK's cap hit is much easier to swallow. TK's ceiling isn't close to Booth's but he is much less risky. TK for Booth?

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