There is good package what we really need in San Jose, Clowe+Murray+1st foor Seto+Mitchell+2nd.
We wouldn't trade Powe and then trade Mitchell.
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Originally Posted by llamapalooza
(A) Kassian's being shopped, which gels with Fletcher's comments like "I have to talk to Matt and his representation and see what the coaches think and do what’s right for the team and for Matt going forward," and "we’re going to need some diversified scoring, some secondary scoring, so we’ll keep looking for that."
(B) This is a shot across the bow of the rest of the lineup, that unless they shape the **** up, there will be shake-ups and trades.
Trading a fourth liner because your second/third lines aren't scoring makes no sense. You don't run a pro sports franchise with that mindset.
So if Powe hasn't been sharp, according to Yeo, why in the flying **** haven't Kass seen any ice time?
I think we may need to wait this one out for a week or two. If there are no more trades, then this move is still very puzzling. But if this was a pre-trade trade sort of thing, then it might be more clear when other events unfold.
Am I the only one who doesn't think the Wild are slow?
I wouldn't say we're slow but we aren't playing fast. Remember the first 2 months last year when we got things moving north and executing the system we looked very quick. This year we have just been a tick off in this area which can create some visual "slowness". We definitely have the ability to skate but we aren't executing the system right now either by creating odd man rushes and forcing turnovers to get chances to score off the rush.
i can't be the only one who appreciated the fourth line so far this year, can I? obviously they're "only" fourth liners but it seemed like they were the only guys that spent more time in the offensive zone than their own.
Really? You're going to condemn the Wild front office because of a message board poster's theory?
No, but if you look at how much turnover this organization has had in the past 3 years, you can see a lot of churn in this organization, not just with the players but the coaches.
Didn't really have a strong opinion about Powe but thought he was always good on the PK. Palmieri was obviously expendable and his inclusion in this trade makes me think Fletch was crossing his fingers he would get picked up on waivers a couple weeks ago.
I heard what we gave up before I heard what we got and expected more than just Mike Rupp. Yeo must've had some experience with him in Pittsburgh in 2009-10 so at least he knows what he's getting. I guess I'm just waiting to see how Rupp does before I have an opinion. Yay for opening up a contract spot I guess?
Powe has never been a great offensive player, on Twitter and TSN people are making a big deal out of his lack of points and last year's awful +/-. Anyone who follows his game isn't surprised by a lack of points so far, and last year he was playing a ton of PK minutes on what was not a great defensive team.
I think there may be a reason going back to Yeo's time in Pittsburgh for this particular move. I think it's a decent trade for both teams.
I'm glad Powe is coming back to the Eastern conference so I can see more of his games, but I wish it wasn't against one of the Flyers' biggest rivals.
Not sure about this one.. I liked Powe's speed and hustle.
exactly...along with his willingness to put himself in danger. shot blocking, getting into fights with much bigger opponents, etc. it's not like the fourth line is there to score. I don't get it.
Am I the only one who doesn't think the Wild are slow?
I think they've been faster this year than most, but you've got Granlund who's not exactly fleet of foot, Heater and now adding Rupp. It's more or less a math thing at this point.
I don't hate the trade. I don't love the trade.
Hey, if it provides the needed spark for this team, whatever works.
We'll see what happens I guess. Not much else we can do.
I wouldn't say the Wild are slow, but we certainly aren't fast, and this deal doesn't help in that department. But, I think us and the whole organization know that Zucker will be with the Wild soon. And that kid has some serious wheels.
No, but if you look at how much turnover this organization has had in the past 3 years, you can see a lot of churn in this organization, not just with the players but the coaches.
So what? I think they've gotten better. And that's what a new GM and coach do. Bring in players that fit their system. They do that over a period of a few years. This is how it works. If that doesn't work you make a few more changes. Nothing is set in stone in this league, much less ANY pro league.
Trading a fourth liner because your second/third lines aren't scoring makes no sense. You don't run a pro sports franchise with that mindset.
Like I said at the beginning of my post, it was just a bit of a guess and I wasn't saying it's a good move. But it wouldn't completely be out of character for Fletcher; just look at the timing and comments surrounding the Schultz trade, and the comments Yeo has made about Coyle's callup. They clearly want to send a message of some sort to the team. Could also be that they're hoping Rupp's veteran presence in the locker room fires people up a bit, but I think the trade (to some degree and in some way) has to be aimed at lighting a fire under the 2-3 lines.
So what? I think they've gotten better. And that's what a new GM and coach do. Bring in players that fit their system. They do that over a period of a few years. This is how it works. If that doesn't work you make a few more changes. Nothing is set in stone in this league, much less ANY pro league.
However if you are constantly rearranging the chairs on the deck, you're never going to get the chemistry you need with your team. It's fine with the role players (Powe, Staubitz, Brodziak) but when you're top line changes almost every year, there is some concerns. I mean how many more players are we going to rotate? How many more messages do we need to send this team? We did this with Kobasew and that worked out so great. We did this with Heatley/Havlat. We did this with Pouliot/Latendresse. Schultz/Gilbert.
In 2009, with Fletcher, we brought in Havlat, traded for Kobasew, traded for Latendresse, traded for Barker. Havlat didn't work out and 2 years later, he's shipped out for Heatley. Barker got bought out. Kobasew did diddly squat here. Latendresse would have been great if he wasn't always injured.
Here's the thing: We did this same trade before. Trading a 5th round pick for Brad Staubitz because we needed to get bigger and needed an enforcer. We then traded for Powe for the same reason. We wanted to get grittier.
Get this, since 2009: Niklas Backstrom, Josh Harding, Mikko Koivu, Cal Clutterbuck, PM Bouchard and Kyle Brodziak are the only players left from that team. 3 years! THREE YEARS and we've changed the majority of our team (17 players!) In 2010 we added Cullen, Spurgeon, and Stoner...So we changed 14 more players!
You look at a team like San Jose, where for the most part their top lines have been in tact for the past 5 years? Couture, Clowe, Marleau, Pavelski, Thornton, Vlasic, Demers, Boyle...They only swapped out Heatley for Havlat for a lower cap hit and some speed but they didn't trade Couture, Clowe, and Marleau the next year.
I'm all for a trade but if we continue to do the same thing every year, there is something wrong. How many more messages do we need to send? How much more changing do we need?
However if you are constantly rearranging the chairs on the deck, you're never going to get the chemistry you need with your team. It's fine with the role players (Powe, Staubitz, Brodziak) but when you're top line changes almost every year, there is some concerns. I mean how many more players are we going to rotate? How many more messages do we need to send this team? We did this with Kobasew and that worked out great. We did this with Heatley/Havlat. We did this with Pouliot/Latendresse.
In 2009, we brought in Havlat, traded for Kobasew, traded for Latendresse, traded for Barker. Havlat didn't work out and 2 years later, he's shipped out for Heatley.
We did this same trade before. Trading a 5th round pick for Brad Staubitz because we needed to get bigger and needed an enforcer. We then traded for Powe for the same reason. We wanted to get grittier.
Here's the thing, since 2009: Mikko Koivu, Cal Clutterbuck, PM Bouchard and Kyle Brodziak are the only players left from that team. In 2010 we added Cullen, Spurgeon, and Stoner.
You look at a team like San Jose, where for the most part their top lines have been in tact for the past 5 years? Couture, Clowe, Marleau, Pavelski, Thornton, Vlasic, Demers, Boyle...They only swapped out Heatley for Havlat for a lower cap hit and some speed but they didn't trade Couture, Clowe, and Marleau the next year.
I'm all for a trade but if we continue to do the same thing every year, there is something wrong.
Backstrom, Harding.
But yes lets go back and get Sheppard, Earl, Belanger, Barker, Ebbett, Pouliot, and Hnidy back for sake of keeping the same roster for stability.
Backstrom, Harding.
But yes lets go back and get Sheppard, Earl, Belanger, Barker, Ebbett, Pouliot, and Hnidy back for sake of keeping the same roster for stability.
Hnidy actually wasn't that bad...Havlat? Why didn't he work? Zidlicky? Belanger?
I didn't think we were until I was at the Ducks / Wild game. Watching it in person we looked a step behind all night... I was really disappointed.. Maybe just an off game but we looked like amateurs out there.. Just a real ****show...
Being at four of the five home games I don't think the team is slow, but they do come out flat, and that I think at least for me, seeing them live "flat" is a better term to use.
The Dallas win was flat, Preds was pretty bad but Columbus and Chicago after the Harding pull were improvements.
I'd swear the sky was falling based on comments here.
It's a fourth liner swap that freed up one contract slot. It opens up options for GMCF to make some trades. I'm not concerned. The moves the organization have made in the past few years have left me no reason to be concerned.
Dude, TSK, Powe and Rupp are FOURTH LINERS. Yeo has given the lines plenty of time to play together and has been mixing it up the last few games, trying to find a spark.
This team, right now, this lineup...not a Stanely Cup team. That's fine. We aren't built to win the Cup right now in 2013.
We have Coyle, Zucker, Larsson, Dumba, Lucia, and some other quality prospects that will come in the next couple years and push out players like Cullen, Setoguchi, Brodziak, Stoner, Falk, etc.
There's a whole hell of a lot of time for this team to get good, and stay good. We have no cap worries in the future, which is WAY more than some other teams can say.
Right now we're at that point where the team isn't rebuilding anymore, we don't have one or two good players and a bunch of crap on the roster, but we're not going all in and have one shot to win the Cup.
And I can't believe Powe or Rupp is going to tip the dominoes over.
Am I the only one who doesn't think the Wild are slow?
No. I think the people who think MN is slow have this image of Heatley gliding around like a sloth and associate it with the entire team. I love reading posts by people claiming Koivu is slow. He's not fast, but come on...
backstrom, harding.
But yes lets go back and get sheppard, earl, belanger, barker, ebbett, pouliot, and hnidy back for sake of keeping the same roster for stability.
