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11-22-2003, 03:59 PM
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clark was just as a good pick as iafrate imo



I dontthink you can count tournmanet stats or junior or ahl and some euro leagues

competition their isnt the same as the night nin and night out grind of the elite leage The NHL
ummm look at the number which each one was drafted. Clarke was drafted at #78 while Iafrate was pick at #218 and would primarly be used on the PP. You are forgetting how hard and how accurate that guys shot was.

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clark was just as a good pick as iafrate imo

I dontthink you can count tournmanet stats or junior or ahl and some euro leagues

competition their isnt the same as the night nin and night out grind of the elite leage The NHL
You took Clark with your 7th pick, ahead of guys like Busher Jackson, Toe Blake, Brendan Shanahan, and other better left wingers. Like the guy all you want, but he was taken way too early, and most guys wouldn't have taken him at all. I certainly wouldn't take him over any of my leftwingers.

I didn't count jrs, or minor leagues in the stats, but for some players, such as the 70's Soviets, the Olympics and World Championships are a better measuring stick than the USSR stats, so to ignore them wouldn't be right. I broke it down into NHL, and others so you can look at just NHL if you want, but some players never played in the NHL, so you have to look at something else.

You can't compare some NHL seasons to other NHL seasons without making some "adjustments". Compare Lindros in 95 to him in 02. He is a shadow of himself, but he had more goals and points in 02. Just the shorter schedule in 95 causes differences, but scoring league wide was also down compared to 94 and 96.

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also you should take players that have a connection/meaning to your team Since Im picking for a origional six team with alot of history I choose players that i feel would represent Toronto well. Many played for the Leafs. Many I was just a fan of!

Pick all you want your teams is a shadow towards mine
Your Leafs: Gilmour, Clark, Jackson, Sundin, Andreychuk, Vaive, Linseman, Nieuwendyk, Carlyle, Brewer, Sawchuk and Fuhr.

My Leafs: Moore, C. Conacher, Bathgate, Keon, Kennedy, Kelly, Cleghorn (St. Pats actually) and Broda.

Yours: 4 HoFers ( and 3 maybes), and 5 Leaf Cup wins

Mine: 8 HoFers, and 20 Leaf Cup wins

Put that in your pipe and smoke it

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also you should take players that have a connection/meaning to your team Since Im picking for a origional six team with alot of history I choose players that i feel would represent Toronto well. Many played for the Leafs. Many I was just a fan of!
I did that too. Obviously the team has a few Habs and 3 Brits, but I didn't pick a single player I wasn't a fan off. For instance, had I waited until the last 2 round to pick goalies I would quite confartably have gone with Foster as my starter, even though it would have led to lower rankings.

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Forwards: Detroit Red Wings
Phil Esposito 1282 717 873 1590 910 PO 130 61 76 137 138 WC-A 10 7 3 10 14 CanCup 7 4 3 7 0 Sum72 8 7 6 13 15
Stan Mikita 1394 541 926 1467 1270 PO 155 59 91 150 169 Sum72 2 0 1 1 0
Joe Sakic 1074 509 806 1315 440 PO 142 71 86 157 64 WC-A 18 10 8 18 0 WCup 8 2 2 4 6 OLY 10 5 5 10 4
Cam Neely 726 395 299 694 1241 PO 93 57 32 89 168
Adam Oates 1277 339 1063 1402 407 PO 163 42 114 156 66
Teemu Selanne 801 436 483 919 303 PO 39 18 12 30 12 Finland 117 83 68 151 38 WC-A 34 22 19 41 6 CanCup 6 1 1 2 2 Wup 4 3 2 5 0 OLY 17 14 10 24 16
Brendan Shanahan 1186 533 565 1098 2156 PO 139 51 60 111 231 Germany 3 5 3 8 4 WC-A 6 4 3 7 6 CanCup 8 2 0 2 6 WCup 7 3 3 6 8 OLY 12 2 1 3 0
Paul Kariya 606 300 369 669 213 PO 35 14 15 29 10 WC-A 24 11 17 28 4 OLY 14 6 5 11 2
Kent Nilsson NHL 553 264 422 686 116 PO 59 11 41 52 14 WHA 158 81 133 214 16 PO 19 5 19 24 14 Eur 369 259 287 546 166* PO 44 31 37 68 4* WC-A 28 19 18 37 12 CanCup 19 3 14 17 12
Keith Tkachuk 781 398 363 761 1778 PO 76 27 24 51 152 WCup 7 5 1 6 44 OLY 17 3 3 6 20
Jacques Lemaire 853 366 469 835 217 PO 145 61 78 139 63
Gary Roberts 957 369 389 758 2261 PO 101 24 53 75 288
Forwards: Philadelphia Flyers
Wayne Gretzky NHL 1487 894 1963 2857 577 PO 208 122 260 382 66 WHA 80 46 64 110 19 PO 13 10 10 20 2 WC-A 10 6 8 14 0 CanCup 31 17 40 57 8 WCup 8 3 4 7 2 OLY 6 0 4 4 2
Jaromir Jagr 950 506 729 1235 661 PO 146 67 87 154 123 WC-A 20 7 8 15 6 CanCup 5 1 0 1 0 WCup 3 1 0 1 2 OLY 10 3 7 10 6 Eur 89 42 63 105 18* PO: 19 13 9 22 0*
Sergei Makarov 424 134 250 384 317 PO 34 12 11 23 8 WC-A 91 56 67 123 85 SuperS 18 9 10 19 0 CanCup 22 16 15 31 12 OLY 22 11 17 28 18 Eur 525 325 390 715 292
Joe Malone NHL 126 143 32 175 57 PO 9 6 0 6 3 NHA/Oth 148 201 27 228 144 PO 6 14 0 14 0
Sergei Fedorov 908 394 554 948 587 PO 162 50 113 163 113 WC-A 20 10 5 15 20 CanCup 5 2 2 4 6 WCup 5 3 3 6 2 SuperS 5 2 2 4 11 OLY 12 3 7 10 12 USSR 184 47 34 81 99
Bill Cowley 549 195 353 548 143 PO 64 12 34 46 22
Michel Goulet NHL 1089 548 604 1152 825 PO 92 39 39 78 110 WHA 78 28 30 58 65 WC-A 10 1 8 9 6 CanCup 16 7 9 16 0
Clark Gillies 958 319 378 697 1023 PO 164 47 47 94 287 CanCup 7 2 5 7 8
Bill Barber 903 420 463 883 623 PO 129 53 55 108 109 WC-A 10 8 1 9 10 CanCup 7 2 0 2 4
Steve Larmer 1006 441 571 1012 532 PO 140 56 75 131 89 WC-A 10 5 3 8 4 CanCup 8 6 5 11 4
Brian Propp 1016 425 579 1004 830 PO 160 64 84 148 151 WC-A 20 7 5 12 10 CanCup 9 2 2 4 2 Switz 24 21 6 27 32
Bryan Hextall 449 187 175 362 227 PO 37 8 9 17 19
Forwards: Boston Bruins
Ted Lindsay 1068 379 472 851 1808 PO 133 47 49 96 194
Howie Morenz 550 271 201 472 546 PO 47 21 12 33 66
Milt Schmidt 776 229 346 575 466 PO 86 24 25 49 60
Boom Boom Geoffrion 883 393 429 822 689 PO 132 58 60 118 88
Bob Gainey 1160 239 262 501 585 PO 182 25 48 73 151 WC-A 20 2 7 9 2 CanCup 12 3 3 6 4
Newsy Lalonde NHL 99 124 41 165 183 PO 12 21 24 45 26 NHA/OML 237 329 45 374 665 PO 16 7 0 7 96
Jean Ratelle 1281 491 776 1267 276 PO 123 32 66 98 24 Sum72 6 1 3 4 0
Woody Dumart 772 211 218 429 99 PO 88 12 15 27 23
Bobby Bauer 327 123 137 260 36 PO 48 11 8 19 6
Mike Modano 1025 444 618 1062 668 PO 139 50 74 124 90 WC-A 14 3 3 6 4 CanCup 8 2 7 9 2 WCup 7 2 4 6 4 OLY 10 2 6 8 4
Bob Probert 935 163 221 384 3300 PO 81 16 32 48 274
Brian Sutter 779 303 333 636 1786 PO 65 21 21 42 249
Forwards:Toronto Maple Leafs
Maurice Richard 978 544 421 965 1285 PO 133 82 44 126 188
Ron Francis 1651 536 1222 1758 965 PO 156 46 93 139 93 WC-A 10 2 5 7 2
Doug Gilmour 1474 450 964 1414 1301 PO 182 60 128 188 235 CanCup 8 2 0 2 4 WC-A 9 1 4 5 18 Switz 9 2 13 15 16
Wendel Clark 793 330 234 564 1690 PO 95 37 32 69 201
Busher Jackson 633 241 234 475 437 PO 71 18 12 30 53
Mats Sundin 1005 434 580 1014 817 PO 74 31 34 65 64 WC-A 40 19 26 45 30 CanCup 6 2 4 6 16 WCup 4 4 3 7 4 OLY 8 8 4 12 14 Swe 46 17 10 27 30 PO 8 7 0 7 4
Eric Lindros 639 346 439 785 1225 PO 50 24 33 57 118 WC-A 8 11 6 17 10 OLY 12 3 3 6 10 WCup 8 3 3 6 10
Dave Andreychuk 1515 613 668 1281 1067 PO 139 42 41 83 148 WC-A 10 3 2 5 18
Rick Vaive WHA 75 26 33 59 248 NHL 876 441 347 788 1445 PO 54 27 16 43 111 WC-A 19 9 3 12 28
Ken Linseman WHA 71 38 38 76 126 PO 5 2 2 4 15 NHL 860 256 551 807 1727 PO 113 43 77 120 325 CanCup 4 0 1 1 4 Italy 5 3 3 6 4
Joel Otto 943 195 313 508 1934 PO 122 27 47 74 207 WC-A 19 4 5 9 10 CanCup 13 4 2 6 6 WCup 7 1 2 3 6 OLY 4 0 0 0 0
Joe Nieuwendyk 1113 511 501 1012 601 PO 149 60 50 110 87 WC-A 1 0 0 0 0 OLY 12 3 4 7 2
Forwards: Colorado Rockies
Jean Beliveau 1125 507 712 1219 1029 PO 162 79 97 176 211
Henri Richard 1256 358 688 1046 928 PO 180 49 80 129 181
Darryl Sittler 1096 484 637 1121 948 PO 76 29 45 74 137 WC-A 20 7 4 11 14 CanCup 7 4 2 6 4
John Bucyk 1540 556 813 1369 497 PO 124 41 62 103
Syl Apps Sr 423 201 231 432 56 PO 69 25 29 54 8
Toe Blake 577 235 292 527 272 PO 58 25 37 62 23
Mike Gartner NHL 1432 708 627 1335 1159 PO 122 43 50 93 125 WHA 78 27 25 52 123 PO 3 0 2 2 2 WC-A 35 14 7 21 38 CanCup 17 5 4 9 16
Glenn Anderson 1129 498 601 1099 1120 PO 225 83 121 214 442 WC-A 12 4 3 7 20 CanCup 15 3 5 8 20 OLY 6 2 2 4 4 Eur 43 26 22 48 161
Joe Mullen 1062 502 561 1063 241 PO 143 60 46 106 42 WC-A 8 7 1 8 2 CanCup 18 6 6 12 2
Dale Hunter 1407 323 697 1020 3565 PO 186 42 76 118 729
Dave “Tiger” Williams 962 241 272 513 3966 PO 83 12 23 35 455
Dave Schultz 535 79 121 200 2294 PO 73 8 12 20 412
Forwards: New Jersey Devils
Bobby Hull NHL 1,063 610 560 1170 640 PO 119 62 67 129 102 WHA 411 303 335 638 183 PO 60 43 37 80 38 Sum74 8 7 2 9 0 CanCup 7 5 3 8 2
Mark Messier NHL 1680 676 1168 1844 1868 PO 236 109 186 295 244 WHA 52 1 10 11 58 WC-A 6 3 3 6 8 CanCup 25 5 16 21 24 WCup 7 1 4 5 12
Dickie Moore 719 261 347 608 652 PO 135 46 64 110 122
Charlie Conacher 459 225 173 398 523 PO 49 17 18 35 49
Nels Stewart 650 324 191 515 953 PO 54 15 13 28 61
Andy Bathgate NHL 1069 349 624 973 624 PO 54 21 14 35 76 WHA 11 1 6 7 2
Dave Keon NHL 1296 396 590 986 117 PO 92 32 36 68 6 WHA 301 102 189 291 20 PO 36 13 23 36 8
Vaclav Nedomansky NHL 421 122 156 278 88 PO 7 3 5 8 0 WHA 252 135 118 253 43 PO 6 3 1 4 9 Czech* 419 369 159 528 55 PO 22 16 9 25 9 WC-A 80 67 34 101 51 OLY 13 13 5 18 4
Ted Kennedy 696 231 329 560 432 PO 78 29 31 60 32
Rick Middleton 1005 448 540 988 157 PO 114 45 55 100 19 CanCup 14 5 6 11 0
Babe Siebert 592 140 156 296 982 PO 53 8 7 15 65
John Tonelli NHL 1028 325 511 836 911 PO 172 40 75 115 200 WHA 224 64 86 150 278 PO 34 11 14 25 38 CanCup 8 3 6 9 2

Forward Totals
NHL: GP 11,490 G 5,167 A 7,027 Pts 12,194 PIM 11,312 PO GP 1,277 G 496 A 682 Pts 1,178 PIM 1,375
NHL: GP 9,865 G 4,606 A 6,651 Pts 11,257 PIM 6,402 PO GP 1,345 G 536 A 814 Pts 1,350 PIM 1,100
NHL: GP 9,655 G 3,370 A 4,054 Pts 7,444 PIM 10,442 PO GP 1,136 G 338 A 434 Pts 772 PIM 1,251
NHL: GP 12,480 G 4,897 A 6,474 Pts 11,371 PIM 14,494 PO GP 1,182 G 497 A 607 Pts 1,104 PIM 1,830
NHL: GP 12,544 G 4,692 A 6,252 Pts 10,944 PIM 16,075 PO GP 1,501 G 496 A 678 Pts 1,174 PIM 2,868
NHL: GP 10,678 G 4,107 A 5,345 Pts 9,452 PIM 7,947 PO GP 1,163 G 427 A 571 Pts 998 PIM 976
WHA: GP 158 G 81 A 133 Pts 214 PIM 16 PO GP 19 G 5 A 19 Pts 24 PIM 14
WHA: GP 158 G 74 A 94 Pts 168 PIM 84 PO GP 13 G 10 A 10 Pts 20 PIM 2
WHA: GP 146 G 64 A 71 Pts 135 PIM 374 PO GP 5 G 2 A 2 Pts 4 PIM 15
WHA: GP 78 G 27 A 25 Pts 52 PIM 123 PO GP 3 G 0 A 2 Pts 2 PIM 2
WHA: GP 1,251 G 606 A 744 Pts 1,350 PIM 584 PO GP 136 G 70 A 75 Pts 145 PIM 93
NHA/OML: GP 148 G 201 A 27 Pts 228 PIM 144 PO GP 6 G 14 A 0 Pts 14 PIM 0
NHA/OML: GP 237 G 329 A 45 Pts 374 PIM 665 PO GP 16 G 7 A 0 Pts 7 PIM 96
Eur: GP 489 G 347 A 358 Pts 705 PIM 208* PO GP 44 G 31 A 37 Pts 68 PIM 4*
Eur: GP 822 G 435 A 493 Pts 928 PIM 441* PO GP 19 G 13 A 9 Pts 22 PIM 0*
Eur: GP 60 G 22 A 26 Pts 48 PIM 50 PO GP 8 G 7 A 0 Pts 7 PIM 4
Eur: GP 43 G 26 A 22 Pts 48 PIM 161
Eur*: GP 419 G 369 A 159 Pts 528 PIM 55 PO GP 22 G 16 A 9 Pts 25 PIM 9
WC-A: GP 120 G 73 A 68 Pts 141 PIM 42
WC-A: GP 191 G 100 A 105 Pts 205 PIM 141
WC-A: GP 34 G 5 A 10 Pts 15 PIM 6
WC-A: GP 116 G 46 A 51 Pts 97 PIM 116
WC-A: GP 75 G 32 A 15 Pts 47 PIM 74
WC-A: GP 86 G 70 A 37 Pts 107 PIM 59
CanCup: GP 40 G 10 A 18 Pts 28 PIM 20
CanCup: GP 110 G 55 A 78 Pts 133 PIM 44
CanCup: GP 20 G 5 A 10 Pts 15 PIM 6
CanCup: GP 31 G 8 A 7 Pts 15 PIM 30
CanCup: GP 57 G 18 A 17 Pts 35 PIM 42
CanCup: GP 54 G 18 A 31 Pts 49 PIM 28
WCup: GP 26 G 13 A 8 Pts 21 PIM 58
WCup: GP 16 G 7 A 7 Pts 14 PIM 6
WCup: GP 7 G 2 A 4 Pts 6 PIM 4
WCup: GP 19 G 8 A 8 Pts 16 PIM 20
WCup: GP 7 G 1 A 4 Pts 5 PIM 12
OLY: GP 70 G 30 A 24 Pts 54 PIM 42
OLY: GP 50 G 17 A 35 Pts 52 PIM 38
OLY: GP 10 G 2 A 6 Pts 8 PIM 4
OLY: GP 36 G 14 A 11 Pts 25 PIM 26
OLY: GP 6 G 2 A 2 Pts 4 PIM 4
OLY: GP 13 G 13 A 5 Pts 18 PIM 4
Sum72: GP 10 G 7 A 7 Pts 14 PIM 15
SuperS: GP 23 G 11 A 12 Pts 23 PIM 11
Sum72: GP 6 G 1 A 3 Pts 4 PIM 0
Sum74: GP 8 G 7 A 2 Pts 9 PIM 0
All: GP 12,403 G 5,728 A 7,643 Pts 13,371 PIM 11,713* PO GP 1,340 G 532 A 738 Pts 1,270 PIM 1,393*
All: GP 11,383 G 5,506 A 7,502 Pts 13,008 PIM 7,311* PO GP 1,383 G 573 A 833 Pts 1,406 PIM 1,102*
All: GP 9,969 G 3,714 A 4,132 Pts 7,846 PIM 11,127 PO GP 1,152 G 345 A 434 Pts 779 PIM 1,347
All: GP 12,888 G 5,149 A 6,648 Pts 11,797 PIM 15,110 PO GP 1,195 G 506 A 609 Pts 1,015 PIM 1,849
All: GP 12,803 G 4,797 A 6,333 Pts 11,130 PIM 16,479 PO GP 1,504 G 496 A 680 Pts 1,176 PIM 2,870
All*: GP 12,516 G 5,191 A 6,327 Pts 11,518 PIM 8,689 PO GP 1,321 G 513 A 655 Pts 1,168 PIM 1,078
* incomplete stats

Defensemen:Detroit Red Wings
Bobby Orr 657 270 645 915 953 PO 74 26 66 92 107 CanCup 7 2 7 9 8
Pierre Pilote 890 80 418 498 1251 PO 86 8 53 61 102
Valeri Vasiliev USSR 619 71 115 186 485 WC-A 101 15 31 46 50 CanCup 11 0 4 4 10 Sum72 5 1 2 3 6 Sum74 8 3 1 4 7 OLY ???
Guy Lapointe 884 171 451 622 893 PO 123 26 44 70 138 CanCup 7 0 4 4 2 Sum72 7 0 1 1 6
Vladimir Konstantinov 446 47 128 175 838 PO 82 5 14 19 107 USSR 280 36 49 85 179 WC-A 38 5 6 11 59 SuperS 19 2 8 10 24
Gary Suter 1145 203 642 845 1349 PO 108 17 56 73 120 WC-A 16 1 3 4 28 CanCup 13 1 6 7 13 Wcup 6 0 2 2 6 OLY 10 0 1 1 6
Defensemen: Philadelphia Flyers
Denis Potvin 1060 310 742 1052 1356 PO 185 56 108 164 253 WC-A 7 1 4 5 6 CanCup 14 3 13 16 28
Brad Park 1113 213 683 896 1429 PO 161 35 90 125 217 Sum72 8 1 4 5 2
Nicklas Lidstrom 935 163 525 688 258 PO 156 32 77 109 38 WC-A 14 4 3 7 6 CanCup 6 1 1 2 4 WCup 4 2 1 3 0 OLY 8 2 6 8 2 Swe 109 14 39 53 24 PO 6 0 1 1 6
Ching Johnson 436 38 48 86 808 PO 61 5 2 7 161
Eric Desjardins 1050 131 408 539 673 PO 162 22 54 76 87 CanCup 8 1 2 3 6 WCup 8 1 2 3 4 OLY 6 0 0 0 2
Kevin Lowe 1254 84 347 431 1498 PO 214 10 48 58 192 WC-A 9 1 1 2 2 CanCup 7 0 4 4 8
Defensemen: Boston Bruins
Doug Harvey 1113 88 452 540 1216 PO 137 8 64 72 152
Tim Horton 1446 115 403 518 1611 PO 126 11 39 50 183
Emile Bouchard 785 49 144 193 863 PO 113 11 21 32
Bill Barilko 252 26 36 62 456 PO 47 5 7 12 104
Rob Ramage NHL 1044 139 425 564 2226 PO 84 8 42 50 218 WHA 80 12 36 48 165 WC-A 8 0 1 1 0
Marty McSorley 961 108 251 359 3381 PO 115 10 19 29 374
Defensemen: Toronto Maple Leafs
Al MacInnis 1413 340 932 1272 1495 PO 177 39 121 160 255 WC-A 9 1 3 4 10 CanCup 8 2 4 6 23 OLY 12 2 0 2 10
Scott Stevens 1597 193 703 896 2763 PO 233 26 92 118 402 WC-A 27 3 6 9 18 CanCup 8 1 0 1 4 WCup 8 0 2 2 4 OLY 6 0 0 0 2
Doug Wilson 1024 237 590 827 830 PO 95 19 61 80 88 CanCup 7 2 1 3 4
Randy Carlyle 1055 148 499 647 1400 PO 69 9 24 33 120 WC-A 9 1 4 5 4
Carl Brewer WHA 77 2 23 25 42 PO 12 0 4 4 11 NHL 604 25 198 223 1037 PO 72 3 17 20 146 WC-A 7 1 6 7 10 Fin 20 4 14 18 53
Derian Hatcher 827 71 223 294 1380 PO 100 6 21 27 161 WC-A 6 1 2 3 8 WCup 6 3 2 5 10 OLY 8 0 4 4 12
Defensemen: Colorado Rockies
Paul Coffey 1409 369 1135 1531 1802 PO 194 59 137 196 264 WC-A 10 1 6 7 10 CanCup 25 6 18 24 12 WCup 8 0 7 7 12
Larry Murphy 1615 287 929 1216 1084 PO 215 37 115 152 201 WC-A 17 2 9 11 8 CanCup 16 1 7 8 4
Harry Howell NHL 1411 94 324 418 1298 PO 38 3 3 6 32 WHA 170 7 36 43 58 PO 7 1 0 1 12
Phil Housley 1495 338 894 1232 822 PO 85 13 43 56 36 WC-A 46 9 15 24 18 CanCup 11 0 4 4 4 WCup 1 0 1 1 0 OLY 6 1 4 5 0 Switz 10 6 8 14 34
Bill Quackenbush 774 62 222 284 95 PO 80 2 19 21 8
Ebbie Goodfellow 557 134 190 324 511 PO 45 8 8 16 65
Defensemen: New Jersey Devils
Red Kelly 1316 281 542 823 327 PO 164 33 59 92 51
Alexei Kasatonov 383 38 122 160 326 PO 33 4 7 11 40 USSR 576 124 219 343 386 PO 1 0 0 0 0 WC-A 77 18 34 52 69 SuperS 24 4 12 16 18 OLY 21 7 14 21 8 Can Cup 27 3 19 22 20
Earl Seibert 645 89 187 276 746 PO 66 11 8 19 76
Lionel Conacher 498 80 105 185 882 PO 25 2 2 4 34
Sprague Cleghorn NHA 115 84 33 117 265 PO 2 0 0 0 17 NHL 259 83 55 138 538 PO 39 7 7 14 25
Bill Gadsby 1248 130 438 568 1539 PO 67 4 23 27 92

Defensemen Totals
NHL: GP 3,519 G 771 A 2,284 Pts 3,055 PIM 5,284 PO GP 473 G 82 A 233 Pts 315 PIM 574
NHL: GP 5,848 G 939 A 2,753 Pts 3,692 PIM 6,022 PO GP 939 G 160 A 379 Pts 539 PIM 948
NHL: GP 5,601 G 525 A 1,711 Pts 2,236 PIM 9,753 PO GP 622 G 53 A 192 Pts 245 PIM 1,063
NHL: GP 6,520 G 1,014 A 3,145 Pts 4,159 PIM 8,905 PO GP 746 G 102 A 336 Pts 438 PIM 1,172
NHL: GP 7,261 G 1,284 A 3,694 Pts 4,978 PIM 5,612 PO GP 657 G 122 A 325 Pts 447 PIM 606
NHL: GP 4,349 G 701 A 1,449 Pts 2,141 PIM 4,358 PO GP 394 G 61 A 106 Pts 167 PIM 318
WHA: GP 80 G 12 A 36 Pts 48 PIM 165
WHA: GP 77 G 2 A 23 Pts 25 PIM 42 PO GP 12 G 0 A 4 Pts 4 PIM 11
WHA: GP 170 G 7 A 36 Pts 43 PIM 58 PO GP 7 G 1 A 0 Pts 1 PIM 12
NHA: GP 115 G 84 A 33 Pts 117 PIM 265 PO GP 2 G 0 A 0 Pts 0 PIM 17
Eur: GP 899 G 107 A 164 Pts 271 PIM 664
Eur: GP 109 G 14 A 39 Pts 53 PIM 24 PO GP 6 G 0 A 1 Pts 1 PIM 6
Eur: GP 20 G 4 A 14 Pts 18 PIM 53
Eur: GP 10 G 6 A 8 Pts 14 PIM 34
Eur: GP 576 G 124 A 219 Pts 343 PIM 386 PO GP 1 G 0 A 0 Pts 0 PIM 0
WC-A: GP 155 G 21 A 40 Pts 61 PIM 137
WC-A: GP 30 G 6 A 8 Pts 14 PIM 14
WC-A: GP 8 G 0 A 1 Pts 1 PIM 0
WC-A: GP 58 G 7 A 21 Pts 28 PIM 50
WC-A: GP 73 G 12 A 30 Pts 42 PIM 36
WC-A: GP 77 G 18 A 34 Pts 52 PIM 69
CanCup: GP 38 G 3 A 21 Pts 24 PIM 33
CanCup: GP 35 G 5 A 20 Pts 25 PIM 46
CanCup: GP 23 G 5 A 5 Pts 10 PIM 31
CanCup: GP 52 G 7 A 29 Pts 36 PIM 20
CanCup: GP 27 G 3 A 19 Pts 22 PIM 20
WCup: GP 6 G 0 A 2 Pts 2 PIM 6
WCup: GP 12 G 3 A 3 Pts 6 PIM 4
WCup: GP 14 G 3 A 4 Pts 7 PIM 14
WCup: GP 9 G 0 A 8 Pts 8 PIM 12
Sum72: GP 12 G 1 A 3 Pts 4 PIM 12
Sum72: GP 8 G 1 A 4 Pts 5 PIM 2
Sum74: GP 8 G 3 A 1 Pts 4 PIM 7
SuperS: GP 19 G 2 A 8 Pts 10 PIM 24
SuperS: GP 24 G 4 A 12 Pts 16 PIM 18
OLY: GP 10 G 0 A 1 Pts 1 PIM 6
OLY: GP 14 G 2 A 6 Pts 8 PIM 4
OLY: GP 26 G 2 A 4 Pts 6 PIM 24
OLY: GP 6 G 1 A 4 Pts 5 PIM 0
OLY: GP 21 G 7 A 14 Pts 21 PIM 8
All: GP 4,666 G 908 A 2,524 Pts 3,432 PIM 6,173 PO GP 473 G 82 A 233 Pts 315 PIM 574
All: GP 6,056 G 970 A 2,833 Pts 3,803 PIM 6,116 PO GP 945 G 160 A 380 Pts 540 PIM 954
All: GP 5,689 G 537 A 1,748 Pts 2,285 PIM 9,918 PO GP 622 G 53 A 192 Pts 245 PIM 1,063
All: GP 6,738 G 1,037 A 3,216 Pts 4,253 PIM 9,119 PO GP 758 G 102 A 340 Pts 442 PIM 1,183
All: GP 7,581 G 1,317 A 3,809 Pts 5,126 PIM 5,772 PO GP 664 G 123 A 325 Pts 448 PIM 618
All: GP 5,189 G 941 A 1,780 Pts 2,721 PIM 5,124 PO GP 397 G 61 A 106 Pts 167 PIM 335

Team: GP 17,069 G 6,636 A 10,167 Pts 16,803 PIM 17,886* PO GP 1,813 G 614 A 971 Pts 1,585 PIM 1,967*
Team: GP 17,439 G 6,476 A 10,335 Pts 16,811 PIM 13,427* PO GP 2,328 G 733 A 1,213 Pts 1,946 PIM 2,056*
Team: GP 15,658 G 4,251 A 5,880 Pts 10,131 PIM 21,045 PO GP 1,774 G 398 A 626 Pts 1,024 PIM 2,410
Team: GP 19,626 G 6,186 A 9,864 Pts 16,050 PIM 24,229 PO GP 1,953 G 608 A 949 Pts 1,557 PIM 3,032
Team: GP 23,384 G 6,114 A 10,142 Pts 16,256 PIM 22,251 PO GP 2,168 G 619 A 1,005 Pts 1,624 PIM 3,488
Team*: GP 17,687 G 6,132 A 8,107 Pts 14,239 PIM 13,813 PO GP 1,718 G 574 A 761 Pts 1,335 PIM 1,413

Goalies: Detroit Red Wings
Eddie Belfour 797 401 262 105 2.45 65 PO 148 82 61 2.17 11
Mike Vernon 781 385 273 92 2.98 27 PO 138 77 56 2.68 6 WC-A 2 0 1 0 4.93 0
Goalies: Philadelphia Flyers
Johnny Bower 552 250 195 90 2.51 37 PO 74 35 34 2.47 5
Gerry Cheevers NHL 418 230 102 74 2.89 26 PO 88 53 34 2.69 8 WHA 191 99 78 9 3.12 14 PO 19 7 12 3.28 0 Sum74 7 1 3 3 3.43 0
Goalies: Boston Bruins
Bill Durnan 383 208 112 62 2.36 34 PO 45 27 18 2.07 2
George Hainsworth NHL 465 246 145 74 1.93 94 PO 52 22 25 2 1.93 8 WCHL/WHL 88 48 35 5 2.36 10 PO 4 0 2 2 2.41 0
Goalies: Toronto Maple Leafs
Terry Sawchuck 972 446 332 171 2.51 103 PO 106 54 48 2.54 12
Grant Fuhr 868 403 295 114 3.38 25 PO 150 92 50 2.92 6 WC-A 5 1 3 1 3.62 1 CanCup 11 7 1 3 3.00 0
Goalies: Colorado Rockies
Jacques Plante NHL 837 435 247 145 2.38 82 PO 112 71 36 2.14 14 WHA 31 15 14 1 3.32 1
Tiny Thompson 553 284 194 75 2.08 81 PO 44 20 24 1.88 7
Goalies: New Jersey Devils
Ken Dryden 397 258 57 74 2.24 46 PO 112 80 32 2.40 10 WC-A 2 1 1 0 2.00 1 Sum72 4 2 2 0 4.75 0
Turk Broda 629 302 224 101 2.53 62 PO 101 60 39 1.98 13

Goalie Totals
NHL: GP 1578 W 786 L 535 T 197 GAA 2.71 SO 92 PO GP 286 W 159 L 117 GAA 2.41 SO 17
NHL: GP 970 W 480 L 297 T 164 GAA 2.67 SO 63 PO GP 162 W 88 L 68 GAA 2.59 SO 13
NHL: GP 848 W 454 L 257 T 126 GAA 2.12 SO 128 PO GP 97 W 49 L 43 T 2 GAA 1.99 SO 10
NHL: GP 1,840 W 849 L 627 T 285 GAA 2.91 SO 128 PO GP 256 W 146 L 98 GAA 2.76 SO 18
NHL: GP 1,390 W 719 L 441 T 220 GAA 2.26 SO 163 PO GP 156 W 91 L 60 GAA 2.06 SO 21
NHL: GP 1,026 W 560 L 281 T 175 GAA 2.42 SO 108 PO GP 213 W 140 L 71 GAA 2.20 SO 23
WHA: GP 191 W 99 L 78 T 9 GAA 3.12 SO 14 PO GP 19 W 7 L 12 GAA 3.28 SO 0
WHA: GP 31 W 15 L 14 T 1 GAA 3.32 SO 1
WCHL/WHL: GP 88 W 48 L 35 T 5 GAA 2.36 SO 10 PO GP 4 W 0 L 2 T 2 GAA 2.41 SO 0
WC-A: GP 2 W 0 L 1 T 0 GAA 4.93 SO 0
WC-A: GP 5 W 1 L 3 T 1 GAA 3.62 SO 1
WC-A: GP 2 W 1 L 1 T 0 GAA 2.00 SO 1
CanCup: GP 11 W 7 L 1 T 3 GAA 3.00 SO 0
Sum72: GP 4 W 2 L 2 T 0 GAA 4.75 SO 0
Sum74: GP 7 W 1 L 3 T 3 GAA 3.43 SO 0
All: GP 1580 W 786 L 536 T 197 GAA 2.71 SO 92 PO GP 286 W 159 L 117 GAA 2.41 SO 17
All: GP 1,168 W 580 L 362 T 187 GAA 2.75 SO 77 PO GP 232 W 95 L 80 GAA 2.66 SO 13
All: GP 936 W 502 L 292 T 131 GAA 2.14 SO 138 PO GP 101 W 49 L 45 T 4 GAA 2.01 SO 10
All: GP 1,856 W 857 L 631 T 289 GAA 2.91 SO 129 PO GP 256 W 146 L 98 GAA 2.76 SO 18
All: GP 1,421 W 734 L 455 T 221 GAA 2.28 SO 164 PO GP 156 W 91 L 60 GAA 2.06 SO 21
All: GP 1,032 W 563 L 284 T 175 GAA 2.43 SO 109 PO GP 213 W 140 L 71 GAA 2.20 SO 23

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Equalized a bit by using adjusted scoring from Total Hockey. Only for NHL through 1999-2000 season, and only for regular season.

BY: is Best Year and is based only on highest adjusted point total
Forwards: Detroit Red Wings
Phil Esposito 18 708 736 1444 BY: 76 64 140
Stan Mikita 22 577 834 1411 BY: 41 62 103
Joe Sakic 12 408 562 970 BY: 50 57 107
Cam Neely 13 372 227 599 BY: 47 30 77
Adam Oates 15 295 737 1032 BY: 37 67 104
Teemu Selanne 8 373 345 718 BY: 55 58 113
Brendan Shanahan 13 443 372 815 BY: 49 39 88
Paul Kariya 6 241 243 484 BY: 46 60 106
Kent Nilsson 9 216 291 507 BY: 38 55 93
Keith Tkachuk 9 321 238 559 BY: 49 39 88
Jacques Lemaire 12 356 381 737 BY: 41 41 82
Gary Roberts 13 297 268 565 BY: 48 28 76
Forwards: Philadelphia Flyers
Wayne Gretzky 20 779 1480 2259 BY: 42 111 153
Jaromir Jagr 10 420 511 931 BY: 52 80 132
Sergei Makarov 7 130 196 326 BY: 21 45 66
Joe Malone 7 193 120 313 BY: 47 35 82
Sergei Fedorov 10 310 373 683 BY: 52 50 102
Bill Cowley 13 255 471 726 BY: 26 66 92
Michel Goulet 15 457 425 882 BY: 45 44 89
Clark Gillies 14 271 272 543 BY: 30 41 71
Bill Barber 12 363 339 702 BY: 44 46 90
Steve Larmer 15 388 419 807 BY: 40 43 83
Brian Propp 15 354 407 761 BY: 35 37 72
Bryan Hextall 11 256 209 465 BY: 32 38 70
Forwards: Boston Bruins
Ted Lindsay17 485 561 1046 BY: 39 62 101
Howie Morenz 14 508 619 1127BY: 69 105 174
Milt Schmidt 16 316 465 781 BY: 37 48 85
Boom Boom Geoffrion 16 493 458 951 BY: 59 44 103
Bob Gainey 16 201 187 388 BY: 18 16 34
Newsy Lalonde 6 172 174 346 BY: 42 58 100
Jean Ratelle 21 484 643 1127 BY: 46 55 101
Woody Dumart 16 295 295 590 BY: 37 33 70
Bobby Bauer 9 177 194 371 BY: 28 41 69
Mike Modano 11 356 394 750 BY: 40 45 85
Bob Probert 14 142 158 300 BY: 25 24 49
Brian Sutter 12 250 233 483 BY: 35 28 63
Forwards:Toronto Maple Leafs
Maurice Richard 18 677 497 1174 BY: 53 39 92
Ron Francis 19 442 869 1311 BY: 27 76 103
Doug Gilmour 17 395 701 1096 BY: 27 66 93
Wendel Clark 15 321 197 518 BY: 43 23 66
Busher Jackson 15 392 409 801 BY: 47 56 103
Mats Sundin 10 348 398 746 BY: 44 47 91
Eric Lindros 8 318 344 662 BY: 51 61 112
Dave Andreychuk 18 518 484 1002 BY: 49 36 85
Rick Vaive 13 367 424 609 BY: 42 28 70
Ken Linseman 14 210 383 593 BY: 19 45 64
Joel Otto 14 179 241 420 BY: 20 23 43
Joe Nieuwendyk 14 436 349 785 BY: 37 43 80
Forwards: Colorado Rockies
Jean Beliveau 20 615 722 1337 BY: 66 49 115
Henri Richard 20 413 663 1076 BY: 35 54 89
Darryl Sittler 15 422 474 896 BY: 41 56 97
John Bucyk 23 595 740 1335 BY: 51 55 106
Syl Apps Sr 10 280 333 613 BY: 35 47 82
Toe Blake 14 309 374 683 BY: 43 36 79
Mike Gartner 19 623 463 1086 BY: 41 35 76
Glenn Anderson 16 427 437 864 BY: 39 39 78
Joe Mullen 16 443 418 861 BY: 43 42 85
Dale Hunter 19 286 517 803 BY: 25 38 63
Dave “Tiger” Williams 14 201 193 394 BY: 27 18 45
Dave Schultz 9 71 92 163 BY: 19 13 32
Forwards: New Jersey Devils
Bobby Hull 16 699 535 1234 BY: 62 44 106
Mark Messier 21 572 847 1419 BY: 39 60 99
Dickie Moore 14 322 366 688 BY: 50 56 106
Charlie Conacher 12 396 332 728 BY: 64 36 100
Nels Stewart 15 594 496 1090 BY: 62 54 116
Andy Bathgate 17 421 641 1062 BY: 49 49 98
Dave Keon 18 419 521 940 BY: 38 32 70
Vaclav Nedomansky 6 103 110 213 BY: 30 28 58
Ted Kennedy 14 280 396 676 BY: 23 53 76
Rick Middleton 14 373 382 755 BY: 38 40 78
Babe Siebert 14 249 424 673 BY: 28 53 81
John Tonelli 14 270 358 628 BY: 34 40 74

Forward Totals
Seasons 150 G 4,578 A 5,234 Pts 9,812 BY: G 577 A 600 Pts 1,177
Seasons 149 G 4,176 A 5,222 Pts 9,398 BY: G 466 A 636 Pts 1,102
Seasons 168 G 3,879 A 4,381 Pts 8,260 BY: G 475 A 559 Pts 1,034
Seasons 175 G 4,603 A 5,296 Pts 9,899 BY: G 459 A 543 Pts 1,002
Seasons 195 G 4,685 A 5,426 Pts 10,111 BY: G 465 A 482 Pts 947
Seasons 175 G 4,698 A 5,408 Pts 10,106 BY: G 517 A 545 Pts 1,062

Defensemen: Detroit Red Wings
Bobby Orr 12 268 550 818 BY: 37 86 123
Pierre Pilote 14 94 419 513 BY: 17 47 64
Valeri Vasiliev
Guy Lapointe 16 155 344 499 BY: 23 39 62
Vladimir Konstantinov 6 46 109 155 BY: 5 29 34
Gary Suter 15 180 468 648 BY: 18 50 68
Defensemen: Philadelphia Flyers
Denis Potvin 15 265 538 803 BY: 27 51 78
Brad Park 17 192 521 713 BY: 24 47 71
Nicklas Lidstrom 9 134 330 464 BY: 22 49 71
Ching Johnson 12 68 134 202 BY: 20 34 54
Eric Desjardins 12 108 293 401 BY: 16 38 54
Kevin Lowe 19 73 254 327 BY: 3 29 32
Defensemen: Boston Bruins
Doug Harvey 19 111 501 612 BY: 8 50 58
Tim Horton 24 134 401 535 BY: 12 26 38
Emile Bouchard 15 56 165 221 BY: 11 27 38
Bill Barilko 5 33 45 78 BY: 9 12 21
Rob Ramage 15 116 296 412 BY: 8 38 46
Marty McSorley 17 98 206 304 BY: 5 27 32
Defensemen: Toronto Maple Leafs
Al MacInnis 19 287 628 915 BY: 26 57 83
Scott Stevens 18 161 505 666 BY: 17 47 64
Doug Wilson 16 198 415 613 BY: 31 31 62
Randy Carlyle 17 124 350 474 BY: 12 45 57
Carl Brewer 12 29 189 218 BY: 2 35 37
Derian Hatcher 9 61 144 205 BY: 7 24 31
Defensemen: Colorado Rockies
Paul Coffey 20 351 863 1214 BY: 38 61 99
Larry Murphy 20 265 704 969 BY: 20 42 62
Harry Howell 21 110 324 434 BY: 14 27 41
Phil Housley 18 287 647 934 BY: 15 55 70
Bill Quackenbush 14 76 267 343 BY: 6 29 35
Ebbie Goodfellow 14 231 375 606 BY: 51 71 122
Defensemen: New Jersey Devils
Red Kelly 20 349 600 949 BY: 23 49 72
Alexei Kasatonov 7 36 103 139 BY: 9 24 33
Earl Seibert 15 131 261 392 BY: 10 33 43
Lionel Conacher 12 147 292 439 BY: 14 47 61
Sprague Cleghorn 10 129 242 371 BY: 14 42 56
Bill Gadsby 20 161 480 641 BY: 12 50 62

Defensemen Totals
Seasons 63 G 743 A 1,890 Pts 2,633 BY: G 100 A 251 Pts 351
Seasons 84 G 840 A 2,070 Pts 2,910 BY: G 112 A 248 Pts 360
Seasons 95 G 548 A 1,614 Pts 2,162 BY: G 53 A 158 Pts 211
Seasons 91 G 860 A 2,231 Pts 3,091 BY: G 95 A 239 Pts 334
Seasons 107 G 1,320 A 3,180 Pts 4,500 BY: G 144 A 285 Pts 429
Seasons 84 G 953 A 1,978 Pts 2,931 BY: G 82 A 245 Pts 327

Team
Seasons 213 G 5,321 A 7,124 Pts 12,455 BY: G 677 A 851 Pts 1,528
Seasons 233 G 5,016 A 7,292 Pts 12,308 BY: G 578 A 884 Pts 1,462
Seasons 263 G 4,427 A 5,995 Pts 10,422 BY: G 528 A 717 Pts 1,245
Seasons 266 G 5,445 A 7,527 Pts 12,990 BY: G 554 A 782 Pts 1,336
Seasons 302 G 6,005 A 8,606 Pts 14,611 BY: G 609 A 767 Pts 1,376
Seasons 259 G 5,651 A 7,386 Pts 13,037 BY: G 599 A 790 Pts 1,389

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Overall average:
1. Winnipeg Jets - 6’0.5”, 195
2. New Jersey Devils - 6’0.5”, 192.5
3. Los Angeles Kings - 6’0”, 194.5
4. Pittsburgh Penguins - 5’11”, 188.5
5. Philadelphia Flyers - 5’11”, 187
6. Colorado Rockies - 5’11”, 167.5
7. Toronto Maple Leafs - 5’10.5”, 198
8. Detroit Red Wings - 5’10”, 186
9. Quebec Nordiques - 5’10”, 166.5
10. Montreal Canadiens - 5’9.5”, 168.5
11. Boston Bruins - 5’9”, 170
12. Vancouver Millionaires - 5’6.5”, 157.5

Individual Size:
Ken Dryden, N.J. – 6’4”, 205
Martin Brodeur, Win. – 6’2”, 205
Vladislav Tretiak, L.A. - 6’1”, 202
Patrick Roy, Pit. - 6’0”, 192
Bill Durnan, Bos. – 6’0”, 190
Jacque Plante, Col. – 6’0”, 175
Terry Sawchuck, Tor. – 5’11”, 195
Eddie Belfour, Det. - 5’11”, 192
Johnny Bower, Phi. - 5’11”, 189
Mike Richter, L.A. – 5’11”, 187
Gerry Cheevers, Phi. - 5’11”, 185
Tony Esposito, Win. – 5’11”, 185
Glenn Hall, Mtl. – 5’11”, 180
Domink Hasek, Que. - 5’11”, 168
Grant Fuhr, Tor. – 5’10”, 201
Billy Smith, Pit. – 5’10”, 185
Bernie Parent, Van. – 5’10”, 180
Tiny Thompson, Col. – 5’10”, 160
Turk Broda, N.J. – 5’9”, 180
Mike Vernon, Det. - 5’9”, 180
Pelle Lindbergh, Que. – 5’9”, 165
Jimmy Foster, Mtl. – 5’8”,157
George Hainsworth, Bos. – 5’6”, 150
Roy "Shrimp" Worters, Van. – 5’3”, 135

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1. Winnipeg Jets - 6’4”, 217.2
2. Pittsburgh Penguins - 6’2”, 211.5
3. Los Angeles Kings - 6’1.7”, 203.7
4. Toronto Maple Leafs - 6’0.7”, 203.5
5. Philadelphia Flyers - 6’0.7”, 200
6. New Jersey Devils - 6’0.5”, 196.3
7. Boston Bruins - 6’0.2”, 197.8
8. Vancouver Millionaires - 6’0.2”, 180.8
9. Quebec Nordiques - 6’0”, 193.8
10. Colorado Rockies - 6’0”, 191.7
11. Montreal Canadiens - 5’11.8”, 199.2
12. Detroit Red Wings - 5’11.3”, 193.7


Individual Size:
Zdeno Chara, Win. – 6’9”, 255
Kjell Samuelsson, Win. – 6’6”, 225
Chris Pronger, L.A. – 6’6”, 220
Derian Hatcher, Tor. – 6’5”, 230
Rob Blake, Pit. – 6’4”, 227
Larry Robinson, Win. – 6’4”, 225
Steve Smith, Win. – 6’4”, 215
Al Iafrate, Que. – 6’3”, 235
Rod Langway, Mtl. – 6’3”, 218
Babe Pratt, Que. – 6’3”, 212
Serge Savard, Mtl. – 6’3”, 210
Sandis Ozolinsh, Pit. – 6’3”, 205
Sergei Gonchar, Pit. – 6’2”, 212
Ed Jovanovski, L.A. – 6’2”, 210
Larry Murphy, Col. – 6’2”, 210
Al MacInnis, Tor. – 6’2”, 209
Emile Bouchard, Bos. – 6’2”, 205
Kevin Lowe, Phi. – 6’2”, 200
Rob Ramage, Bos. – 6’2”, 200
Earl Seibert, N.J. - 6’2”, 198
Dit Clapper, Que. - 6’2”, 195
Lionel Conacher, N.J. – 6’2”, 195
Nicklas Lidstrom, Phi. – 6’2”, 185
Jacques Laperriere, Van. – 6’2”, 180
Marty McSorley, Bos. – 6’1”, 235
Viachaslav Fetisov, Pit. - 6’1”, 220
Alexei Kasatonov, N.J. – 6’1”, 215
Scott Stevens, Tor. – 6’1”, 215
Adam Foote, L.A. – 6’1”, 212
Vladimir Lutchenko, Que. – 6’1”, 205
Ulf Samuelsson, Pit. – 6’1”, 205
Eric Desjardins, Phi. – 6’1”, 200
Scott Niedermayer, L.A. – 6’1”, 200
Sergei Zubov, Pit. – 6’1”, 200
Harry Howell, Col. – 6’1”, 195
Borje Salming, Win. – 6’1”, 193
Chris Chelios, Van. – 6’1”, 190
Brian Leetch, L.A. – 6’1”, 190
Doug Wilson, Tor. – 6’1”, 187
Allan Stanley, Van. – 6’1”, 170
Guy Lapointe, Det. – 6’0”, 205
Denis Potvin, Phi. – 6’0”, 205
Gary Suter, Det. – 6’0”, 205
Brad Park, Phi. – 6’0”, 200
Bobby Orr, Det. – 6’0”, 197
Paul Coffey, Col. – 6’0”, 195
Red Kelly, N.J. – 6’0”, 195
Red Horner, Mtl. – 6’0”, 190
Marcel Pronovost, Win. – 6’0”, 190
Bill Gadsby, N.J. – 6’0”, 185
Tom Johnson, Van. – 6’0”, 180
Ebbie Goodfellow, Col. – 6’0”, 175
Raymond Bourque, Mtl. – 5’11”, 219
Ching Johnson, Phi. – 5’11”, 210
Vladimir Konstantinov, Det. – 5’11”, 190
Bill Quackenbush, Col. – 5’11”, 190
Eddie Shore, L.A. – 5’11”, 190
Doug Harvey, Bos. – 5’11”, 187
Valeri Vasiliev, Det. - 5’11”, 187
Mark Howe, Van. – 5’11, 185
Bill Barilko, Bos. – 5’11”, 180
Randy Carlyle, Tor. – 5’10”, 200
Sprague Cleghorn, N.J. – 5’10”, 190
Phil Housley, Col. – 5’10”, 185
Tim Horton, Bos. - 5’10”, 180
Kenny Reardon, Van. – 5’10”, 180
Pierre Pilote, Det. – 5’10”, 178
Joe Hall, Mtl. – 5’10”, 175
Carl Brewer, Tor. – 5’9”, 180
Leo Boivin, Mtl. – 5’8”, 183
Jan Suchy, Que. – 5’8”, 161
King Clancy, Que. – 5’7”, 155

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Overall average:
Toronto Maple Leafs - 6’1.25”, 201.75
Pittsburgh Penguins - 6’0.7”, 201.1
Detroit Red Wings - 6’0.1”, 196.4
Philadelphia Flyers - 5’11.75”, 190.8
New Jersey Devils - 5’11.5”, 191
Los Angeles Kings - 5’11.4”, 194.75
Colorado Rockies - 5’11.3”, 187.9
Montreal Canadiens - 5’11.2”, 183.5
Boston Bruins - 5’11.1”, 180.8
Winnipeg Jets - 5’10.8”, 190.6
Vancouver Millionaires - 5’10.8”, 186.2
Quebec Nordiques - 5’10.75”, 181

Individual Size:
Pete Mahovlich, Mtl. – 6’5”, 210
Eric Lindros, Tor. – 6’4”, 236
Mats Sundin, Tor. – 6’4”, 228
Mario Lemieux, Van. – 6’4”, 225
Joe Thorton, L.A. – 6’4”, 225
Dave Andreychuk, Tor. – 6’4”, 220
Joel Otto, Tor. – 6’4”, 220
Tim Kerr, L.A. – 6’3”, 230
Kevin Stevens, Que. – 6’3”, 230
John LeClair, Pit. – 6’3”, 226
Bob Probert, Bos. – 6’3”, 225
Todd Bertuzzi, Win. – 6’3”, 224
Brendan Shanahan, Det. – 6’3”, 218
Clark Gillies, Phi. – 6’3”, 215
Dany Heatley, Pit. – 6’3”, 210
Jason Allison, Pit. – 6’3”, 205
Jean Beliveau, Col. – 6’3”, 205
Mike Modano, Bos. – 6’3”, 205
Ron Francis, Tor. – 6’3”, 200
Jaromir Jagr, Phi. – 6’2”, 230
Keith Tkachuk, Det. – 6’2”, 220
Alexei Kovalev, Pit. – 6’2”, 215
Ken Hodge, Mtl. – 6’2”, 210
Vaclav Nedomanksy, N.J. – 6’2”, 210
Bob Gainey, Bos. – 6’2”, 200
Roy Conacher, Van. – 6’2”, 175
Ilya Kovalchuk, Pit. – 6’1”, 220
Cam Neely, Det. – 6’1”, 218
Claude Lemieux, Pit. – 6’1”, 215
Luc Robitaille, Win. – 6’1”, 215
Harry Watson, Van. – 6’1”, 207
Peter Bondra, Pit. – 6’1”, 205
Phil Esposito, Det. – 6’1”, 205
Mark Messier, N.J. – 6’1”, 205
Joe Nieuwendyk, Tor. – 6’1”, 205
Charlie Conacher, N.J. – 6’1”, 202
Sergei Fedorov, Phi. – 6’1”, 200
Terry O’Reilly, Win. – 6’1”, 200
Gary Roberts, Det. – 6’1”, 200
Peter Stastny, Mtl. – 6’1”, 200
Nels Stewart, N.J. – 6’1”, 200
John Tonelli, N.J. – 6’1”, 200
Rick Vaive, Tor. – 6’1”, 198
Michel Goulet, Phi. – 6’1”, 195
Jari Kurri, Pit. – 6’1”, 195
Kent Nilsson, Det. – 6’1”, 195
Glenn Anderson, Col. – 6’1”, 190
Dave Schultz, Col. – 6’1”, 190
Esa Tikkanen, Que. – 6’1”, 190
Gilbert Perreault, Que. – 6’1”, 180
Jean Ratelle, Bos. – 6’1”, 180
John Bucyk, Col. – 6’0”, 215
Rick Tocchet, L.A. – 6’0”, 210
Gordie Howe, Que. – 6’0”, 205
Peter Forsberg, Que. – 6’0”, 205
Frank Mahovlich, Mtl. – 6’0”, 205
Teemu Selanne, Det. – 6’0”, 200
Vladimir Petrov, Que. – 6’0”, 198
Bill Barber, Phi. – 6’0”, 195
Alex Delvecchio, Win. – 6’0” 195
Woody Dumart, Bos. – 6’0”, 190
Darryl Sittler, Col. – 6’0”, 190
Dave Taylor, L.A. – 6’0”, 190
Mike Gartner, Col. – 6’0”, 187
Mike Bossy, Pit. – 6’0”, 186
Syl Apps Sr, Col. – 6’0”, 185
Wayne Gretzky, Phi. – 6’0”, 185
Guy Lafleur, Win. – 6’0”, 185
Lanny McDonald, Mtl. – 6’0”, 185
Milt Schmidt, Bos. – 6’0”, 185
Andy Bathgate, N.J. – 6’0”, 180
Bernie Federko, Van. – 6’0”, 178
Brett Hull, Van. – 5’11”, 203
Alexander Mogilny, Van. – 5’11”, 200
Busher Jackson, Tor. – 5’11”, 195
Steve Larmer, Phi. – 5’11”, 195
John Madden, L.A. – 5’11”, 195
Markus Naslund, L.A. – 5’11”, 195
Bryan Trottier, Van. – 5’11”, 195
Wendel Clark, Tor. – 5’11”, 194
Joe Sakic, Det. – 5’11”, 192
Dale Hawerchuk, Mtl. – 5’11”, 190
Dave “Tiger” Williams, Col. – 5’11”, 190
Guy Carbonneau, Mtl. – 5’11, 186
Rick MacLeish, Win. – 5’11, 185
Sergei Makarov, Phi. - 5’11”, 185
Steve Yzerman, L.A. – 5’11”, 185
Paul Kariya, Det. – 5’11”, 180
Ken Linseman, Tor. – 5’11”, 180
Adam Oates, Det. – 5’11”, 180
Doug Gilmour, Tor. – 5’11”, 175
Brian Sutter, Bos. – 5’11”, 173
Sid Abel, Van. – 5’11”, 170
Rick Middleton, N.J. – 5’11”, 170
Babe Siebert, N.J. –5’10”, 200
Dale Hunter, Col. – 5’10”, 198
Bobby Hull, N.J. – 5’10”, 195
Brian Propp, Phi. – 5’10”, 195
Pavel Bure, L.A. – 5’10”, 189
Dino Ciccarelli, Pit. – 5’10”, 185
Bobby Clarke, Win. – 5’10”, 185
Dickie Moore, N.J. – 5’10”, 185
Mark Recchi, Win. – 5’10”, 185
Ziggy Palffy, L.A. – 5’10”, 183
Pat Lafontaine, Pit. – 5’10”, 182
Bryan Hextall, Phi. – 5’10”, 180
Ted “Teeder” Kennedy, N.J. – 5’10”, 180
Jacques Lemaire, Det. – 5’10”, 180
Denis Savard, L.A. – 5’10”, 175
Bill Cook, L.A. – 5’10”, 170
Maurice Richard, Tor. – 5’10”, 170
Toe Blake, Col. – 5’10”, 165
Bill Cowley, Phi. – 5’10”, 165
Elmer Lach, Mtl. – 5’10”, 165
Max Bentley, Que. – 5’10”, 155
Joe Malone, Phi. – 5’10”, 150
Vladimir Krutov, Win. – 5’9”, 195
Marcel Dionne, L.A. – 5’9”, 190
Rod Gilbert, Mtl. – 5’9”, 180
Joe Mullen, Col. – 5’9”, 180
Aleksander Maltsev, Que. - 5’9”, 174
Butch Goring, Win. – 5’9”, 170
Igor Larionov, Win. – 5’9”, 170
Hakan Loob, Mtl. – 5’9”, 170
Boris Mikhailov, Pit. - 5’9”, 169
Stan Mikita, Det. – 5’9”, 169
Newsy Lalonde, Bos. – 5’9”, 168
Boom Boom Geoffrion, Bos. – 5’9”, 166
Syd Howe, Mtl. – 5’9”, 165
Dave Keon, N.J. – 5’9”, 165
Howie Morenz, Bos. – 5’9”, 165
Claude Provost, Que. – 5’9”, 165
Herbie Lewis, Van. – 5’9”, 163
Valeri Kharlamov, Que. - 5’8”, 165
Cyclone Taylor, Van. – 5’8”, 165
Ted Lindsay, Bos. – 5’8”, 163
Bill Mosienko, Que. – 5’8”, 160
Doug Bentley, Que. – 5’8”, 145
Punch Broadbent, Van. – 5’7”, 183
Yvon Cournoyer, Win. – 5’7”, 178
Mats Naslund, Van. – 5’7”, 170
Henri Richard, Col. – 5’7”, 160
Aurel Joliat, Mtl. – 5’7”, 136
Bobby Bauer, Bos. – 5’6”, 150

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My rankings which I still have to type out actually don't have your team as the top team. Here is a sneak peak. The Quebec Nordique have the top offense however in a game situation it is possible that their size would result in them getting pushed off of the puck easier. Their speed and tallent however results in them still being ranked an A.

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[QUOTE=Maxwell Edison]My rankings which I still have to type out actually don't have your team as the top team



ok stop it right there

this is where your wrong

seriously lets save these teams

i may print them off

and save them to disk


if there are stats for all teams please post them for me k
and il lsave those too on disk

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My teams the best

so when are we going to have a redraft
Now if you could post something that actually supports your claim. I drafted players that I like just doesn't cut it.

Is your asking for a redraft an admission that you don't have the best team?

I'd like to see at least a stab at picking a best team form this draft before starting a new one.

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Conn Smythe winners (*THN pick 1918-64):
New Jersey: 9 - Mark Messier, Red Kelly*, Ken Dryden, Charlie Conacher*, Nels Stewart*, Lionel Conacher*, Turk Broda*, Dave Keon, Ted “Teeder” Kennedy* (2)
Boston: 6 - Howie Morenz*, Milt Schmidt*, Tim Horton*, Boom Boom Geoffrion*, Bob Gainey, George Hainsworth*
Philadelphia: 5 - Wayne Gretzky (2), Nicklas Lidstrom, Bill Cowley*, Johnny Bower*, Ching Johnson*
Vancouver: 5 - Mario Lemieux (2), Bryan Trottier, Bernie Parent (2), Sid Abel*, Punch Broadbent*
Toronto: 5 - Maurice Richard* (3), Terry Sawchuck*, Al MacInnis, Scott Stevens, Joe Nieuwendyk
Detroit: 4 - Bobby Orr (2), Joe Sakic, Pierre Pilote*, Mike Vernon
Winnipeg: 4 - Guy Lafleur, Larry Robinson, Yvon Cournoyer, Butch Goring
Pittsburgh: 4 - Patrick Roy (3), Mike Bossy, Billy Smith, Claude Lemieux
Colorado: 3 - Jean Beliveau (2*), Jacque Plante*, Syl Apps Sr*
Montreal: 3 - Glenn Hall, Serge Savard, Elmer Lach*
Los Angeles: 2 - Steve Yzerman, Brian Leetch
Quebec: 1 - Gordie Howe* (2)

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We no know how to build a great team now let see how we all dradt again If we start now we will finsih b4 june


All in favour of a redraft say I and if you wish to bow out please state that inclination so we can ge ta replacement GM.

I got Toronto

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We no know how to build a great team now let see how we all dradt again If we start now we will finsih b4 june


All in favour of a redraft say I and if you wish to bow out please state that inclination so we can ge ta replacement GM.

I got Toronto
somebody let me know if you guys want to lock this and start up a new draft.

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Dr, Love never made a lineup and Toronto didn't put their last two picks in a lineup but otherwise this is pretty much copied from the thread.

Detroit Red Wings:
Kent Nilsson - Stan Mikita - Phil Esposito
Brendan Shanahan - Joe Sakic - Cam Neely
Paul Kariya - Adam Oates - Teemu Selanne
Keith Tkachuk - Jacques Lemaire - Gary Roberts

Bobby Orr - Pierre Pilote
Valeri Vasiliev- Guy Lapointe
Vladimir Konstantinov - Gary Suter

Eddie Belfour - Mike Vernon

Philadelphia Flyers:
Brian Propp - Wayne Gretzky - Jaromir Jagr
Michel Goulet - Joe Malone - Sergei Makarov
Bill Barber - Sergei Fedorov - Steve Larmer
Clark Gillies - Bill Cowley - Bryan Hextall Sr.

Denis Potvin - Nicklas Lidstrom
Brad Park - Eric Desjardins
Kevin Lowe - Ivan "Ching" Johnson

Johnny Bower - Gerry Cheevers

Quebec Nordiques:
Valeri Kharlamov - Gilbert Perreault - Aleksander Maltsev
Doug Bentley - Max Bentley - Bill Mosienko
Kevin Stevens - Peter Forsberg - Gordie Howe
Esa Tikkanen - Vladimir Petrov - Claude Provost

Dit Clapper - King Clancey
Vladimir Lutchenko - Babe Pratt
Al Iafrate - Jan Suchy

Dominik Hasek - Pelle Lindbergh

Vancouver Millionaires:
Cyclone Taylor - Mario Lemieux - Brett Hull
Harry Watson - Bryan Trottier - Mats Naslund
Roy Conacher - Sid Abel - Alexander Mogilny
Herbie Lewis - Bernie Federko - Punch Broadbent

Chris Chelios - Mark Howe
Tom Johnson - Jacques Laperriere
Allan Stanley - Kenny Reardon

Bernie Parent - Roy Worters

Boston Bruins:
Ted Lindsay - Mike Modano - Howie Morenz
Woody Dumart - Milt Schmidt - Bobby Bauer
Bob Gainey - Jean Ratelle - Bernie Geoffrion
Brian Sutter - Newsy LaLonde - Bob Probert

Doug Harvey - Butch Bouchard
Tim Horton - Bill Barilko
Rob Ramage - Marty McSorley

George Hainsworth - Bill Durnan

Toronto Maple Leafs:
Busher Jackson - Ron Francis - Maurice Richard
Wendel Clark - Doug Gilmour - Mats Sundin
Dave Andreychuk - Eric Lindros - Rick Vaive
Joe Nieuwendyk - Ken Linesman - Joel Otto

Al MacInnis - Scott Stevens
Doug Wilson - Randy Carlysle
Carl Brewer - Derian Hatcher

Terry Sawchuck - Grant Fuhr

Colorado Rockies:
Toe Blake - Jean Beliveau - Henri Richard
Johhny Bucyk - Darryl Sittler - Mike Gartner
Glenn Anderson - Syl Apps - Joe Mullen
Dave "The Hammer" Schultz - Dale Hunter - Dave "Tiger" Williams

Paul Coffey - Larry Murphy
Harry Howell - Phil Houlsey
Bill Quackenbush - Ebbie Goodfellow

Jacques Plante - Cecil "Tiny" Thompson

Montreal Canadiens:
Frank Mahovlich - Peter Stastny - Rod Gilbert
Aurel Joliat - Dale Hawerchuk - Lanny McDonald
Pete Mahovlich - Elmer Lach - Ken Hodge
Syd Howe - Guy Carbonneau - Hakan Loob

Raymond Bourque - Rod Langway
Serge Savard - Red Horner
Joe Hall - Leo Boivin

Glenn Hall - Jimmy Foster

Winnipeg Jets:
Luc Robitaille - Bobby Clarke - Guy LaFleur
Vladimir Krutov - Igor Larionov - Yvon Cournoyer
Todd Bertuzzi - Butch Goring - Terry O'Reilly
Rick MacLeish - Alex Delvecchio - Mark Recchi

Larry Robinson - Zdeno Chara
Kjell Samuelsson - Borje Salming
Marcel Pronovost - Steve Smith

Martin Brodeur - Tony Esposito

Los Angeles Kings:
Tim Kerr - Marcel Dionne - Pavel Bure
Markus Naslund - Steve Yzerman - Denis Savard
Bill Cook - Joe Thornton - Ziggy Palffy
Dave Taylor - John Madden - Rick Tocchet

Eddie Shore - Brian Leetch
Chris Pronger - Scott Niedermayer
Adam Foote - Ed Jovanovski

Vladislav Tretiak - Mike Richter

Pittsburgh Penguins:
John Leclair - Pat Lafontaine - Mike Bossy
Peter Bondra - Boris Mikhailov - Jari Kurri
Ilya Kovalchuk - Jason Allison - Alexei Kovalev
Dino Ciccarelli - Dany Heatley - Claude Lemieux

Viacheslav Fetisov - Sandis Ozolinsh
Ulf Samuelson - Sergei Zubov
Sergei Gonchar - Rob Blake

Patrick Roy - Billy Smith

New Jersey Devils:
Bobby Hull - Mark Messier - Charlie Conacher
Dickie Moore - Nels Stewart - Andy Bathgate
John Tonelli - Ted Kennedy - Vaclav Nedomansky
Babe Siebert - Dave Keon - Rick Middleton

Red Kelly - Earl Seibert
Bill Gadsby - Lionel Conacher
Alexei Kasatonov - Sprague Cleghorn

Ken Dryden - Turk Broda

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OK, the lineups are posted. Anyone care to look at them and pick the best first line, top D pairing, starting 6, 4th line, backup goalie and so on? Rate all 12, list a top 3 or the best and worst, anything you want just to get some various input to rate the teams.

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OK, the lineups are posted. Anyone care to look at them and pick the best first line, top D pairing, starting 6, 4th line, backup goalie and so on? Rate all 12, list a top 3 or the best and worst, anything you want just to get some various input to rate the teams.
I'll make up some lists in the next couple weeks.

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let it go guys

let start a new one

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#1 lines rated 1 to 12:

1: Philadelphia Flyers: Brian Propp - Wayne Gretzky - Jaromir Jagr
2: Vancouver Millionaires: Cyclone Taylor - Mario Lemieux - Brett Hull
3: New Jersey Devils: Bobby Hull - Mark Messier - Charlie Conacher
4: Boston Bruins: Ted Lindsay - Mike Modano - Howie Morenz
5: Colorado Rockies: Toe Blake - Jean Beliveau - Henri Richard
6: Detroit Red Wings: Kent Nilsson - Stan Mikita - Phil Esposito
7: Toronto Maple Leafs: Busher Jackson - Ron Francis - Maurice Richard
8: Quebec Nordiques: Valeri Kharlamov - Gilbert Perreault - Aleksander Maltsev
9: Winnipeg Jets: Luc Robitaille - Bobby Clarke - Guy LaFleur
10: Montreal Canadiens: Frank Mahovlich - Peter Stastny - Rod Gilbert
11: Pittsburgh Penguins: John Leclair - Pat Lafontaine - Mike Bossy
12: Los Angeles Kings: Tim Kerr - Marcel Dionne - Pavel Bure

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#1 lines rated 1 to 12:

1: Philadelphia Flyers: Brian Propp - Wayne Gretzky - Jaromir Jagr
2: Vancouver Millionaires: Cyclone Taylor - Mario Lemieux - Brett Hull
3: New Jersey Devils: Bobby Hull - Mark Messier - Charlie Conacher
4: Boston Bruins: Ted Lindsay - Mike Modano - Howie Morenz
5: Colorado Rockies: Toe Blake - Jean Beliveau - Henri Richard
6: Detroit Red Wings: Kent Nilsson - Stan Mikita - Phil Esposito
7: Toronto Maple Leafs: Busher Jackson - Ron Francis - Maurice Richard
8: Quebec Nordiques: Valeri Kharlamov - Gilbert Perreault - Aleksander Maltsev
9: Winnipeg Jets: Luc Robitaille - Bobby Clarke - Guy LaFleur
10: Montreal Canadiens: Frank Mahovlich - Peter Stastny - Rod Gilbert
11: Pittsburgh Penguins: John Leclair - Pat Lafontaine - Mike Bossy
12: Los Angeles Kings: Tim Kerr - Marcel Dionne - Pavel Bure
I think my #5 top line has an advantage over the #4 just for the fact that all 3 of my guys have the chemistry and have all played together. Just MHO

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