I think my #5 top line has an advantage over the #4 just for the fact that all 3 of my guys have the chemistry and have all played together. Just MHO
Blake retired after the 1947-48 season, Beliveau started in 1950-51 and Henri in 1955-56, so they didn't play together. Blake coached the other two, but he never played with them, and since Beliveau and Henri are both centers they didn't play together all that much either.
How about instead of giving your HMO about just your line why don't you rate the lines yourself?
Here are some stats that should at least in part give some indication of how "clutch" some goalies were. This is NHL stats, so Tretiak and Foster are missing. It also doesn't include this years stats for the few active goalies.
Note about the Cups totals, Fuhr and Esposito have their names on the Cup for a year that neither played a playoff game.
Brian Propp - Wayne Gretzky - Jaromir Jagr
Michel Goulet - Joe Malone - Sergei Makarov
Bill Barber - Sergei Fedorov - Steve Larmer
Clark Gillies - Bill Cowley - Bryan Hextall Sr.
Denis Potvin - Nicklas Lidstrom
Brad Park - Eric Desjardins
Kevin Lowe - Ivan "Ching" Johnson
Johnny Bower - Gerry Cheevers
The best group of forwards, without a doubt. Tremendous scorers in Gretzky, Jagr, Makarov and Malone, supplemented with a very good group of two way players.
Three great defenseman in Potvin, Lidstrom and Park, with three very good ones to play with.
Don't have the ultra-elite goalie, but both Bower & Cheevers were great "money" goalies, with Stanley Cup rings.
Detroit Red Wings:
Kent Nilsson - Stan Mikita - Phil Esposito
Brendan Shanahan - Joe Sakic - Cam Neely
Paul Kariya - Adam Oates - Teemu Selanne
Keith Tkachuk - Jacques Lemaire - Gary Roberts
Bobby Orr - Pierre Pilote
Valeri Vasiliev- Guy Lapointe
Vladimir Konstantinov - Gary Suter
Eddie Belfour - Mike Vernon
A very good group of forwards, with 4 nasty power forwards. I'm not as high on Kariya as most are.
Orr leads a great defensive corps.
Belfour is an underrated goalie, and Vernon has 2 Cup wins.
Los Angeles Kings:
Tim Kerr - Marcel Dionne - Pavel Bure
Markus Naslund - Steve Yzerman - Denis Savard
Bill Cook - Joe Thornton - Ziggy Palffy
Dave Taylor - John Madden - Rick Tocchet
Eddie Shore - Brian Leetch
Chris Pronger - Scott Niedermayer
Adam Foote - Ed Jovanovski
Vladislav Tretiak - Mike Richter
For my money the best group of defenseman in the draft.
Tretiak and Richter are both over rated IMO, but still very very good.
Madden shouldn't have been selected, and Kerr was one demensional. Dionne is at best the 3 best center on the team. Savard, Tocchet and taylor were nice picks.
Luc Robitaille - Bobby Clarke - Guy LaFleur
Vladimir Krutov - Igor Larionov - Yvon Cournoyer
Todd Bertuzzi - Butch Goring - Terry O'Reilly
Rick MacLeish - Alex Delvecchio - Mark Recchi
Larry Robinson - Zdeno Chara
Kjell Samuelsson - Borje Salming
Marcel Pronovost - Steve Smith
Martin Brodeur - Tony Esposito
Great forwards and goaltending. Only Goring is a questionable pick, but hard to argue with 4 Cup wins.
The defense has some major question marks. Samuelsson and Smith should not have been selected. At the time of the draft Chara was a somewhat questionable pick, although with his continued development he is becoming one of the top defenseman in the league.
Cyclone Taylor - Mario Lemieux - Brett Hull
Harry Watson - Bryan Trottier - Mats Naslund
Roy Conacher - Sid Abel - Alexander Mogilny
Herbie Lewis - Bernie Federko - Punch Broadbent
Chris Chelios - Mark Howe
Tom Johnson - Jacques Laperriere
Allan Stanley - Kenny Reardon
Bernie Parent - Roy Worters
Frank Mahovlich - Peter Stastny - Rod Gilbert
Aurel Joliat - Dale Hawerchuk - Lanny McDonald
Pete Mahovlich - Elmer Lach - Ken Hodge
Syd Howe - Guy Carbonneau - Hakan Loob
Raymond Bourque - Rod Langway
Serge Savard - Red Horner
Joe Hall - Leo Boivin
Glenn Hall - Jimmy Foster
John Leclair - Pat Lafontaine - Mike Bossy
Peter Bondra - Boris Mikhailov - Jari Kurri
Ilya Kovalchuk - Jason Allison - Alexei Kovalev
Dino Ciccarelli - Dany Heatley - Claude Lemieux
Viacheslav Fetisov - Sandis Ozolinsh
Ulf Samuelson - Sergei Zubov
Sergei Gonchar - Rob Blake
Patrick Roy - Billy Smith
Toronto Maple Leafs:
Busher Jackson - Ron Francis - Maurice Richard
Wendel Clark - Doug Gilmour - Mats Sundin
Dave Andreychuk - Eric Lindros - Rick Vaive
Joe Nieuwendyk - Ken Linesman - Joel Otto
Al MacInnis - Scott Stevens
Doug Wilson - Randy Carlysle
Carl Brewer - Derian Hatcher
Terry Sawchuck - Grant Fuhr
Ted Lindsay - Mike Modano - Howie Morenz
Woody Dumart - Milt Schmidt - Bobby Bauer
Bob Gainey - Jean Ratelle - Bernie Geoffrion
Brian Sutter - Newsy LaLonde - Bob Probert
Doug Harvey - Butch Bouchard
Tim Horton - Bill Barilko
Rob Ramage - Marty McSorley
George Hainsworth - Bill Durnan
Valeri Kharlamov - Gilbert Perreault - Aleksander Maltsev
Doug Bentley - Max Bentley - Bill Mosienko
Kevin Stevens - Peter Forsberg - Gordie Howe
Esa Tikkanen - Vladimir Petrov - Claude Provost
Dit Clapper - King Clancey
Vladimir Lutchenko - Babe Pratt
Al Iafrate - Jan Suchy
Dominik Hasek - Pelle Lindbergh
New Jersey Devils:
Bobby Hull - Mark Messier - Charlie Conacher
Dickie Moore - Nels Stewart - Andy Bathgate
John Tonelli - Ted Kennedy - Vaclav Nedomansky
Babe Siebert - Dave Keon - Rick Middleton
Red Kelly - Earl Seibert
Bill Gadsby - Lionel Conacher
Alexei Kasatonov - Sprague Cleghorn
Ken Dryden - Turk Broda
Toe Blake - Jean Beliveau - Henri Richard
Johhny Bucyk - Darryl Sittler - Mike Gartner
Glenn Anderson - Syl Apps - Joe Mullen
Dave "The Hammer" Schultz - Dale Hunter - Dave "Tiger" Williams
Paul Coffey - Larry Murphy
Harry Howell - Phil Houlsey
Bill Quackenbush - Ebbie Goodfellow
I would be interested in doing another one as well. I didn't plan my team out as well as I should have. A couple more teams wouldn't hurt (say, 12).
Since the last draft had 12 teams...
How much do we want to change it up? Just the number of teams? Have some kind of rule like draft only one player from each NHL team, i.e. take Potvin or Bossy as your Isles pick and then take Trottier as a Penguin?
If there would be another draft, I would be up for it, but some of the people here would have to get on a bit quicker, or at least have some lists drawn up. Waiting three - five days just made me angry.
Teams:10-14. 12 worked ok and there are certainly enough good players undrafted for a couple more teams, but smaller might be better.
Changes: one extra round for drafting a coach. Need to decide on player/coachs and if Toe Blake can play and coach on different teams or not.
Option: allow trading. I'd like to see what someone might offer for the 1st pick, but otherwise this would probably be just an unneeded complication.
Any other ideas?
Who wants in? I think 7 of the 12 from the first draft have said they would be interested.
I would be interested in picking up a team from the start instead of finishing off MacDaddy's Bruins.
Personally, I would like to see some sort of cap placed on the # of HOFers each team can have. Would force everybody to have to go off the radar screen with some picks. Say something like maybe 10 HOFers out of the 20 man roster is the cap (that includes locks like Patrick Roy too). The reason I say that is because I think it would make the teams more realistic in terms of depth and it would also get some rare publicity to some good players that never got talked about.