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02-04-2013, 11:21 PM
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Tampa/Buffalo Blockbuster

To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Christian Ehrhoff (4.0M per thru 20/21)
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Victor Hedman (4.0M thru 16/17)
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)

Lightning go all in for at least a couple Cup runs. Sabres begin a comprehensive rebuilding process. Including Malone and Pouliot helps to limit Tampa's payroll increase.

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02-04-2013, 11:22 PM
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Holy hell this is beyond terrible for Tampa. Like I don't even know where to start.

This would be a buffalo fans wet dream.

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02-04-2013, 11:22 PM
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To Tampa Bay:

F Thomas Vanek (7.1M per thru 13/14)
D Christian Ehrhoff (4.0M per thru 20/21)
G Ryan Miller (6.3M per thru 13/14)

To Buffalo:

F Cory Conacher (0.9M per thru 13/14, then RFA)
F Ryan Malone (4.5M thru 14/15)
F Benoit Pouliot (1.8M thru this season)
D Victor Hedman (4.0M thru 16/17)
G Anders Lindback (1.8M thru 13/14, then RFA)

Lightning go all in for at least a couple Cup runs. Sabres begin a comprehensive rebuilding process. Including Malone and Pouliot helps to limit Tampa's payroll increase.
You can't just add more players to make up for Quality.
Add Lecavalier MINIMUM to your list.

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02-04-2013, 11:24 PM
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You can't just add more players to make up for Quality.
Add Lecavalier MINIMUM to your list.
I think you forgot the

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02-04-2013, 11:25 PM
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Holy hell this is beyond terrible for Tampa. Like I don't even know where to start.

This would be a buffalo fans wet dream.
Biggest Tampa homer ever.

Buffalo doesn't do this deal

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02-04-2013, 11:25 PM
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Tampa wins this trade, imo.

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02-04-2013, 11:26 PM
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I think you forgot the
No I didn't. Hedman is the only "good" player in that mix.

Conacher is a rookie.

You think Buffalo gives you one of the best goalies in the league AND their best forward (arguably the only 2 stars on the team to TB, and expect NO stars back??)

From a neutral fan (Tampa wins the deal, because they can win a cup off this deal, and Buffalo has to rebuild for years....)

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02-04-2013, 11:27 PM
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Buffalo would not do this...their best forward, starting goalie, and one of their best defensman? Yeah....no.

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No I didn't. Hedman is the only "good" player in that mix.

Conacher is a rookie.

You think Buffalo gives you one of the best goalies in the league AND their best forward (arguably the only 2 stars on the team to TB, and expect NO stars back??
Exactly.

Buffalo could get a much better return if they traded Vanek, Ehrhoff and Miller in separate deals.

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No I didn't. Hedman is the only "good" player in that mix.

Conacher is a rookie.

You think Buffalo gives you one of the best goalies in the league AND their best forward (arguably the only 2 stars on the team to TB, and expect NO stars back??
So vanek is hot for two weeks and he's worth the world?

I'm sorry I didn't know being a rookie means you have no value. That rookie has almost as many points as your "star".

Miller is good but he's nowhere near the way goalie in the league and the contract isn't great either.

Malone isn't close to a salary dump.

This is beyond bad for Tampa.

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02-04-2013, 11:30 PM
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Biggest Tampa homer ever.

Buffalo doesn't do this deal

Lets see. Hedman is younger and better than Erhoff.

Miller is better than Lindback at this point, but older and the contracts make it a lot closer.

Pouliot is a throw in, Malone and Conacher certainly are not.

I highly doubt there is a single Tampa fan that does this.

I could see why buffalo wouldn't, but at the same time this is a trade buffalo wins easily if it's made.

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02-04-2013, 11:36 PM
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It might be better with out Ehrhoff and Hedman

Conacher + Malone + Lindback + Pouliot for Vanek + Miller


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So vanek is hot for two weeks and he's worth the world?

I'm sorry I didn't know being a rookie means you have no value. That rookie has almost as many points as your "star".

Miller is good but he's nowhere near the way goalie in the league and the contract isn't great either.

Malone isn't close to a salary dump.

This is beyond bad for Tampa.
Vanek's a proven 30+ goal guy. Sure he's hot, but he's got the track record to back it up. Conacher is a rookie riding a 36% shooting percentage. Really the only thing on the level of what Buffalo is giving up that Tampa is giving up is Hedman. They take a clear downgrade on #1G and top line wing for not-enough of an upgrade at D, IMO.

Buffalo gets a lot of depth, Tampa gets two bonafide stars and an extremely solid D.

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It has been frequently noted that one of the more unfortunate effects of the popular obsession that every trade always has exactly one "winner" and exactly one "loser" is that trades that are truly win-win were rarely acknowleged as such.

Slowly, very slowly, that much is changing.

Sadly, however, nothing yet has been done to address the equally important yet equally marginalized concept that some trades are genuinely lose-lose; that it is very possible for a trade to be a staggeringly bad idea for both teams, regardless of perceptions of "value" or favorite sacred cows being shipped out or whatever.

This is, I believe, such a lose-lose trade.

Tampa Bay is more dependent on good play from Hedman than most folks realize, so swapping him out is Not A Good Idea on basic principle. What's truly necessary for a major run to the Cup is steady goaltending (which Lindback might provide, and this trade idea does address) and quality defense depth (which this trade ignores). Offense is the least of their problems - but with this trade, which strips away a lot of forward depth, it could become one if injuries strike. And, of course, the deal puts them well into Cap Hell in the very near future, with almost no flexibility to address legit problems if and/or when they would come up.

Buffalo, by contrast, is struggling primarily because of a lack of secondary scoring and defense; they've kept in games at all primarily because of their top line and to a lesser extent Miller. In one swift move they disassemble both of these AND further weaken their defense, and get very little back to actually patch up either. They give up prime assets to fix... almost nothing at all.

It's worse for Buffalo than it is for Tampa, but that doesn't mean anybody comes up a winner.

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02-05-2013, 12:02 AM
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Buffalo
Stamkos
Hedman
Lindback

Tampa Bay
Ennis
Myers
Enroth
Stafford
Kaleta

Am I close

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02-05-2013, 12:11 AM
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lol .... Buffalo says no......

and don't call back....


Ever.

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02-05-2013, 12:21 AM
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lol .... Buffalo says no......

and don't call back....


Ever.
And TB would have no problem with that.

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02-05-2013, 12:24 AM
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So vanek is hot for two weeks and he's worth the world?

I'm sorry I didn't know being a rookie means you have no value. That rookie has almost as many points as your "star".

Miller is good but he's nowhere near the way goalie in the league and the contract isn't great either.

Malone isn't close to a salary dump.

This is beyond bad for Tampa.
no but scoring 40 goals does give you some value.....

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02-05-2013, 12:25 AM
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no but scoring 40 goals does give you some value.....
We don't need that. Conacher and Malone will put up 40 goals and will bring other things worthwhile on top of it.

No need to trade them for Vanek.

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02-05-2013, 12:28 AM
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We don't need that. Conacher and Malone will put up 40 goals and will bring other things worthwhile on top of it.

No need to trade them for Vanek.
so you wouldnt take a minor hit in defsese to vastly upgrade your goaltending and forward gotacha.

as someone said biggest homer award goes to you.

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It has been frequently noted that one of the more unfortunate effects of the popular obsession that every trade always has exactly one "winner" and exactly one "loser" is that trades that are truly win-win were rarely acknowleged as such.

Slowly, very slowly, that much is changing.

Sadly, however, nothing yet has been done to address the equally important yet equally marginalized concept that some trades are genuinely lose-lose; that it is very possible for a trade to be a staggeringly bad idea for both teams, regardless of perceptions of "value" or favorite sacred cows being shipped out or whatever.

This is, I believe, such a lose-lose trade.

Tampa Bay is more dependent on good play from Hedman than most folks realize, so swapping him out is Not A Good Idea on basic principle. What's truly necessary for a major run to the Cup is steady goaltending (which Lindback might provide, and this trade idea does address) and quality defense depth (which this trade ignores). Offense is the least of their problems - but with this trade, which strips away a lot of forward depth, it could become one if injuries strike. And, of course, the deal puts them well into Cap Hell in the very near future, with almost no flexibility to address legit problems if and/or when they would come up.

Buffalo, by contrast, is struggling primarily because of a lack of secondary scoring and defense; they've kept in games at all primarily because of their top line and to a lesser extent Miller. In one swift move they disassemble both of these AND further weaken their defense, and get very little back to actually patch up either. They give up prime assets to fix... almost nothing at all.

It's worse for Buffalo than it is for Tampa, but that doesn't mean anybody comes up a winner.
Swapping Lindback for Miller makes a much bigger difference than swapping Hedman for Ehrhoff, especially considering Miller is on the ice for 2-3 times longer. Vanek for Conacher/Malone/Pouliot is just quantity for quality.

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Oh Geez, this is so bad. Tampa robs Buffalo.

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so you wouldnt take a minor hit in defsese to vastly upgrade your goaltending and forward gotacha.

as someone said biggest homer award goes to you.
It's not an upgrade to the offense IMO.

It would be a slight upgrade on goal for a slight downgrade on defense now and a huge downgrade in defense within the next two years and forward. As with millers contract it begins to negate his gain of ability in net, in which in a year or two Lindback could easily be as good or better.

So no I wouldn't make that deal.

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So vanek is hot for two weeks and he's worth the world?

I'm sorry I didn't know being a rookie means you have no value. That rookie has almost as many points as your "star".

Miller is good but he's nowhere near the way goalie in the league and the contract isn't great either.

Malone isn't close to a salary dump.

This is beyond bad for Tampa.

Wait...Vanek is hot for two weeks but you think this is a common occurrence for your rookie....

Ok..I gotcha.

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Bad deal for Buffalo, although in a few years we could be singing a different tune

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