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02-07-2013, 04:34 PM
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Conditional pick. Thomas won't report, so Boston gets nothing except relief from Thomas' 35+ contract and the Islanders get to the cap floor.

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Conditional pick. Thomas won't report, so Boston gets nothing except relief from Thomas' 35+ contract and the Islanders get to the cap floor.
Yeah, that makes more sense for both sides.

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02-07-2013, 04:42 PM
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Eklund is saying that Tim Thomas was traded to the Islanders.
lol
And this is why I'm not worried about Luongo's deal. There will always be some financially fragile team looking for a cheap way out (Luongo $1m cash, $5.3m cap hit)

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If I'm an Islanders fan right now I'm raging. They are too cheap to even try to spend to the floor, and they are willing to give away valuable assets to make it happen.


Yup. A 2nd in this draft is no small asset.


AFAIK, cap hit persists even when you suspend a player. So for the Bruins, this removes it. They don't even have to collect on the 2nd and it's a win for them.


For NYI, it's a cap floor tactic, like you said. Even if he doesn't play, they get the cap-hit tacked on. Actually, for both parties, it's probably best he _doesn't_ play.

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02-07-2013, 04:47 PM
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Conditional pick. Thomas won't report, so Boston gets nothing except relief from Thomas' 35+ contract and the Islanders get to the cap floor.
Still bad GMing from Snow, who else was going to take him. I can't believe they didn't at least get a 2nd or a 3rd from Boston straight up, with a conditional going back to Boston.
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Thomas + 3rd for Conditional 2nd

would have made just makes more sense to me. But hey the Islanders may have initiated this so Boston bent them over.

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Yup. A 2nd in this draft is no small asset.


AFAIK, cap hit persists even when you suspend a player. So for the Bruins, this removes it. They don't even have to collect on the 2nd and it's a win for them.


For NYI, it's a cap floor tactic, like you said. Even if he doesn't play, they get the cap-hit tacked on. Actually, for both parties, it's probably best he _doesn't_ play.
Does anybody know if Thomas' contract remains in tact, since he is being suspended?
Or does he become a UFA next year?

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Yup. A 2nd in this draft is no small asset.


AFAIK, cap hit persists even when you suspend a player. So for the Bruins, this removes it. They don't even have to collect on the 2nd and it's a win for them.


For NYI, it's a cap floor tactic, like you said. Even if he doesn't play, they get the cap-hit tacked on. Actually, for both parties, it's probably best he _doesn't_ play.
The pick won't be in this draft. It's a conditional 2nd in either 2014 or 2015. Thomas has to play at least one game for the Isles for Boston to get the pick.

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02-07-2013, 04:52 PM
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Does anybody know if Thomas' contract remains in tact, since he is being suspended?
Or does he become a UFA next year?


I believe so. He gets suspended, doesn't get paid, contract still expires as it should. The penalty is that he doesn't get paid, not that the contract runs on indefinitely.



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The pick won't be in this draft. It's a conditional 2nd in either 2014 or 2015. Thomas has to play at least one game for the Isles for Boston to get the pick.


I realize. I just think Thomas may be crazy enough to play that 1 game. Even when the Isles don't want him to.

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I believe so. He gets suspended, doesn't get paid, contract still expires as it should. The penalty is that he doesn't get paid, not that the contract runs on indefinitely.



I realize. I just think Thomas may be crazy enough to play that 1 game. Even when the Isles don't want him to.
Assuming Thomas sticks with his initial plan on taking a year off (though like you pointed out there is the crazy factor ) couldn't the Isles extend his contract a year as they did with Nabokov?

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02-07-2013, 05:00 PM
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This is just cap maneuvering by the Isles. It frees them up to move one of their veterans (Visnovsky being the obvious candidate) later in the year. No big deal.

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Assuming Thomas sticks with his initial plan on taking a year off (though like you pointed out there is the crazy factor ) couldn't the Isles extend his contract a year as they did with Nabokov?
The term is "tolling", and you have to apply to league for it which is what happened in the Nabokov case. Theoretically I don't see why they couldn't to Thomas, although someone who better understands the rule might correct me. I also don't see why they'd want to though.

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This is just cap maneuvering by the Isles. It frees them up to move one of their veterans (Visnovsky being the obvious candidate) later in the year. No big deal.
Smart move by Snow actually - circumventing the cap without costing Mr. Wang a single cent (instead of circumventing the cap ceiling - they're circumventing the cap floor). And we're the team that gets punished by the new CBA.....

Free up cap space for the Bruins. Teams in the Northest division have to like that.

League will do jack **** about it though seeing as the Bruins owners carries alot of stroke at NHL HQ.

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02-07-2013, 05:51 PM
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This should be illegal.........Boston is taking advantage of a loophole so they get 5 million in cap space..........obviously the NHL will back this, the Boston owner is the boss he has more power than bettman and daily......he can do what he wants......

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02-07-2013, 05:57 PM
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Smart move by Snow actually - circumventing the cap without costing Mr. Wang a single cent (instead of circumventing the cap ceiling - they're circumventing the cap floor). And we're the team that gets punished by the new CBA.....

Free up cap space for the Bruins. Teams in the Northest division have to like that.

League will do jack **** about it though seeing as the Bruins owners carries alot of stroke at NHL HQ.
yep. it's not a popular opinion and a lot of people will call me a conspiracy nut but it just seems like boston and other O6 teams get away with murder sometimes.

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02-07-2013, 06:04 PM
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Still bad GMing from Snow, who else was going to take him. I can't believe they didn't at least get a 2nd or a 3rd from Boston straight up, with a conditional going back to Boston.
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Thomas + 3rd for Conditional 2nd

would have made just makes more sense to me. But hey the Islanders may have initiated this so Boston bent them over.
if they pay him and he doesn't report this year, they can just forward his contract a year and get his cap hit

and then they can do it again

and again..... (forever)

so essentially for whatever they give up now, they just get 5m towards the cap for this cba

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yep. it's not a popular opinion and a lot of people will call me a conspiracy nut but it just seems like boston and other O6 teams get away with murder sometimes.
Guess who's the "Chairman of the board" (re: league governors who Bettman answers to)?

Jeremy M. Jacobs - owner of the Boston Bruins.

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Guess who's the "Chairman of the board" (re: league governors who Bettman answers to)?

Jeremy M. Jacobs - owner of the Boston Bruins.
I guess someone has to be the chairman; but that sure smells like conflict of interest to me.

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I guess someone has to be the chairman; but that sure smells like conflict of interest to me.
meh, I think you should take off your tin foil hat....





(and I'm kind of joking but it's easy to understand why others might think something doesn't smell right....)

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Anything who thinks there wasn't something rotten about Campbell resigning after there were no penalties called in game 7 of the Tampa/Boston series is nuts. Jacobson (owner of the PP inept Bruins in that series) had his hands all that.

Not that anything changed in the finals, comparing the Rome suspension with things Bruins like Chara get away with.

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(and I'm kind of joking but it's easy to understand why others might think something doesn't smell right....)
There he is with the cup he and his son won!

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The term is "tolling", and you have to apply to league for it which is what happened in the Nabokov case. Theoretically I don't see why they couldn't to Thomas, although someone who better understands the rule might correct me. I also don't see why they'd want to though.
I wouldn't since it might backfire as Thomas could just report, play 1 game and retire again, costing the Isles a 2nd. Or he could just show up and play like crap for the whole year to the point they pay him $3m real cash to stay home.

Tolling indefintely would be stopped. You might get away with it this year but the league would probably stop you doing it again as the cap hit as been paid. So maybe you can toll it but you wouldn't get the cap it. Then think of the situation: Thomas has some bad investments/gets divorced and decides he needs the cash, unretires age 45 and you are stuck with his cap hit and salary and his horrible 45 play - not worth the risk.


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LOL Washington

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washington is a joke............they need a goalie badly and Hodgson zero points -2 but 75% in FO........huh

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LOL Washington
They should blow it up

Core sucks and support players are mostly overpaid and terrible (Troy Brouwer 3.6M cap hit in coming year )

Ribeiro and Chimera will fetch alot of interest (Would love to land both on Hawks)

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