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02-05-2013, 09:38 AM
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Yea, he seems to be not of the "quick fix" mindset, and seems more than comfortable at playing the current team, see who fits and who doesn't and trading at the trade deadline even if it means finishing bottom five (and a great opportunity at drafting a number one center-Kadri is great, can probably be a great number 2, don't know if could be number 1 though).

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02-05-2013, 09:53 AM
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I saw the interview on Sportsnet yesterday by Chris Simpson on Nonis and he does come across far more patient and willing to let the youth play and develop.

No quick fix attempts in the future and not willing to sacrifice youth to move the team ahead quickly as in the past.

His early moves of parachuting out Lombardi and Connolly to make room for Kadri and Frattin has paid big dividends early on in his new philosophy of building from within.
I got to see this 1st hand (the tail end of it) when I first moved out West, things will turn out but the patience within the fanbase is weakening.

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02-05-2013, 09:57 AM
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one reason nonis is kept around because he will at least be able to trade kessel if the MLSE board chooses not to wanna build its marketing around him....burke couldnt trade kessel in a million years ......not with what he gave up and is paying him and what kessel's agent is gonna want ......im not so sure the leafs board is gonna keeo nonis around either .....i think the housecleaning is just begun

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I find it funny now that Kadri is leading the team in scoring and seems to be the most dangerous Leaf along with Frattin on most nights. Take away his faceoffs and really he has played virtually no centre for the Leafs since being drafted and the guy is doing everything that can be asked.

I found it funny on TV last night Nonis made no promises to keeping Phaneuf and Kessel and said there are no untouchables on this team. Burkes method of building the team was from the net out and once can argue goaltending is an issue. Reimer seems to be coming around but more of a longer term approach. We have Gardiner and Reilly but really slim pickings for finishing near the bottom for the last five years.

I bet Nonis goes through the year and lets the team decide where they should be headed. Come trade deadline he will decide if he is a buyer or seller and guys like Phaneuf, Kessel, Grabovski and others will come up.

I believe we are sellers. There are some decent young players here but not top end talent. If I had to spend 7mil a year I would on Corey Perry-not Phil Kessel.

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02-05-2013, 10:13 AM
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I saw the interview on Sportsnet yesterday by Chris Simpson on Nonis and he does come across far more patient and willing to let the youth play and develop.

No quick fix attempts in the future and not willing to sacrifice youth to move the team ahead quickly as in the past.

His early moves of parachuting out Lombardi and Connolly to make room for Kadri and Frattin has paid big dividends early on in his new philosophy of building from within.
Agreed. Even though they are small moves, I like everything Nonis has done so far. One thing I always got impression from Burke, was that Ron Wilson had a lot of input into the deals that were made. Some of them seemed to have his fingerpirnts all over them, meanwhile, burke kept telling us he wanted a tough team that was difficult to play against.

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02-05-2013, 10:16 AM
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I find it funny now that Kadri is leading the team in scoring and seems to be the most dangerous Leaf along with Frattin on most nights. Take away his faceoffs and really he has played virtually no centre for the Leafs since being drafted and the guy is doing everything that can be asked.

I found it funny on TV last night Nonis made no promises to keeping Phaneuf and Kessel and said there are no untouchables on this team. Burkes method of building the team was from the net out and once can argue goaltending is an issue. Reimer seems to be coming around but more of a longer term approach. We have Gardiner and Reilly but really slim pickings for finishing near the bottom for the last five years.

I bet Nonis goes through the year and lets the team decide where they should be headed. Come trade deadline he will decide if he is a buyer or seller and guys like Phaneuf, Kessel, Grabovski and others will come up.

I believe we are sellers. There are some decent young players here but not top end talent. If I had to spend 7mil a year I would on Corey Perry-not Phil Kessel.
Completetly agree with you. Imagine this town if Phil Kessel is getting 7 million a year and goes into a scoring slump? I honestly think Nonis is using this shortened season to help decide what pieces he feels need to be kept moving forward. I just get a sense that some of the core players will be shopped.

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Pretty sure just about any team, who isn't in the early starges of rebuilding, will give up two undetermined first rounders for a 24 year old who finished 6th in scoring on a **** team last season.
I doubt anyone gives that up but who knows, I could be wrong. I see more of the Jeff Carter trade type return, a first rounder, a good/great prospect, and some sort of NHL ready roster player. One team may give up two first like you suggested (though I doubt that as well) but it's highly unlikely that "any team not beginning their rebuild" would pay that amount.

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Tank you Nonis

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I saw the interview on Sportsnet yesterday by Chris Simpson on Nonis and he does come across far more patient and willing to let the youth play and develop.

No quick fix attempts in the future and not willing to sacrifice youth to move the team ahead quickly as in the past.

His early moves of parachuting out Lombardi and Connolly to make room for Kadri and Frattin has paid big dividends early on in his new philosophy of building from within.
I agree and if there was one thing, I didn't agree totally with Burke on, was his loyalty to the players and coaches.

Players and Coaches are well paid, to do the job they were hired for, trades and firings are part and parcel of the business of professional sports and the GM must put aside Loyalties and do whatever is necessary for the team to succeed and while it's good quality to have, loyalty is also something that can undermine a team going forward.

I think that this is probably the one area, that puts Nonis and Burke apart in their thinking and thus the team's direction.

Playing the kids scenario, has happened more because of this fact, than almost any other factor but again good players and affordable contracts, that the UFA market had this year, was another.

In any case it will be interesting to see how Nonis handles the GM job going forward and building on the spade work, that both He and Burke started.

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I agree and if there was one thing, I didn't agree totally with Burke on, was his loyalty to the players and coaches.

Players and Coaches are well paid, to do the job they were hired for, trades and firings are part and parcel of the business of professional sports and the GM must put aside Loyalties and do whatever is necessary for the team to succeed and while it's good quality to have, loyalty is also something that can undermine a team going forward.


I think that this is probably the one area, that puts Nonis and Burke apart in their thinking and thus the team's direction.

Playing the kids scenario, has happened more because of this fact, than almost any other factor but again good players and affordable contracts, that the UFA market had this year, was another.

In any case it will be interesting to see how Nonis handles the GM job going forward and building on the spade work, that both He and Burke started.
Agreed. It's a fine line between "loyalty" and "blue and white" disease.

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That is a real hard swallow he does after talking about Phil and Dion and saying no one is untouchable. The other thing I take from this is they are going to play the kids and see what they can do don't have to make the playoffs in the next couple of years just need to show improvement.
Of course he wants to trade away players that are not playing to their cap-hit. Kessel and Phaneuf are good players, but not at the money they make, in a capped system. However, considering their cap to effective play ratio, are these two players worth much in trade?

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Did people expect him to say he's Burke's clone ? lol

Hopefully he follows through the plans on making some trades. He's known for his patience.

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"I don't think trading long-term assets for one or two years is good for any team. Especially for a team trying to rebuild; maybe for a team trying to get over the hump. Don't think that's prudent for us to do."
Management finally admits we're rebuilding. It's a good day.

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I think Nonis has said that playoffs is up to the kids. The rebuild is in effect but our prospects are getting into the line up and we are going to let the kids play as hard as they can. It is a relief when we finally get to hear the words "Let the kids play"

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Management finally admits we're rebuilding. It's a good day.
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It took 6 years but finally, we are admitting we are rebuilding. With those 6 years we should have had 6 prospects.

Kadri, Gardiner, Rielly...hmm...I guess...

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Management finally admits we're rebuilding. It's a good day.
Many have known they are and have been for sometime.

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Many have known they are and have been for sometime.
Yeah obviously but they haven't admitted it until now, which lends itself to a commitment. Finally. Woo!

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Yeah obviously but they haven't admitted it until now, which lends itself to a commitment. Finally. Woo!
I've always thought they were committed to it.

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"I don't think trading long-term assets for one or two years is good for any team. Especially for a team trying to rebuild; maybe for a team trying to get over the hump. Don't think that's prudent for us to do."


Does this mean were rebuilding ????

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Management finally admits we're rebuilding. It's a good day.
Yes. Seems like Nonis is very aware we need a revamp and more importantly he's willing to do it.

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Why is his Sportsnet interview so hard to find?

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Anywhere this interview is on line for us nice folks not living in Canada?

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