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02-05-2013, 01:59 PM
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Far to early to know if he can play in the NHL yet.....he is not a flashy player by any stretch of the imagination......He does have a mean streak...and we need that.

I will wait before passing Judgement.

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02-05-2013, 02:03 PM
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He struggles so far dealing with NHL speed. Last night he made several mistakes. Its hard to develop him here when he is hurting the team. He isnt ready yet to play NHL hockey, maybe he gets there, maybe he never does. Like alot of the Leafs younger defenseman he appears to at the very highest be a 6th Dman, similar to Fraser. Koskta probably should be in the 5-6 pairing on a good team. Alot of minutes for a rookie and career AHL guy. He has impressed me though and looks like an NHL dman.

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02-05-2013, 02:04 PM
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While he's played awful, it's been only 2 games for him at the NHL level this year, and 3 career total.

Give him some time.

Then if he still sucks, by all means, flame away but it's far too early to make a thread asking "what happened to him!?!"
this is a #6dman at best - let's not get the hopes too high. Adjusting to the NHL is tough, esp at defense. A lot of guys will come and go on this damn team.

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02-05-2013, 02:33 PM
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Save for that, he was average, not awful as many people here claim.
No he really was awful sorry.

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02-05-2013, 02:39 PM
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he's a 24 year old defensive dman that's been playing in the AHL

there isn't a lot to speculate here beyond he should get better with time

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02-05-2013, 03:30 PM
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Give him time people.. Dam this is how we ruin our youth..The guy has played like 3 games in the nhl..Let him adjust to the NHL and then judge his plays...

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02-05-2013, 03:44 PM
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Geez, nobody is writing the guy off, but can we not make an honest critique to date? Holzer stunk his first call up, and I actually think he was worse last night. In fact, it's been quite sometime since I've see a D come up and look that out of place. The biggest difference between the AHL is speed, league is littered with pro talent but skating is what lacks often times. Can Holzer handle speed in the NHL, or are we seeing him exposed? FAIR question.

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02-05-2013, 03:49 PM
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Geez, nobody is writing the guy off, but can we not make an honest critique to date? Holzer stunk his first call up, and I actually think he was worse last night. In fact, it's been quite sometime since I've see a D come up and look that out of place. The biggest difference between the AHL is speed, league is littered with pro talent but skating is what lacks often times. Can Holzer handle speed in the NHL, or are we seeing him exposed? FAIR question.
I mentioned that above. I think he answered that question yesterday. He can not handle the speed, or the quick decision making.

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02-05-2013, 03:50 PM
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I mentioned that above. I think he answered that question yesterday. He can not handle the speed, or the quick decision making.
Sorry I missed that, good point

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02-05-2013, 04:15 PM
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Geez, nobody is writing the guy off, but can we not make an honest critique to date? Holzer stunk his first call up, and I actually think he was worse last night. In fact, it's been quite sometime since I've see a D come up and look that out of place. The biggest difference between the AHL is speed, league is littered with pro talent but skating is what lacks often times. Can Holzer handle speed in the NHL, or are we seeing him exposed? FAIR question.
Can a team hope to develop an NHL d-man in the AHL, I don't think so. Certain things identify a player as NHL material, such as speed, I.Q., size and the list goes on and on, and a player whether 18 or 24 either has it or they don't. Mostly potential NHL d-men finish out their junior careers because of physical maturation but when they are physically mature NHL teams will put them into the NHL line-up, ASAP. 5th, 6th and 7th d-men might spend some time in the AHL because they're pylons and used only to spell the true NHL d-men, the top 5.

Certain teams have greater depth so they can send their potential d-men to the AHL but all that is being accomplished is holding them till there's an opening.

Holzer is a pylon, only worthy when TO has nothing better. Unfortunately TO only had 1 true NHL d-man the rest are fill.

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02-05-2013, 04:19 PM
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Sorry I missed that, good point
I agree with your points is basically what I was saying. Dont be sorry my friend. Cheers.

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02-05-2013, 04:25 PM
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The only people that had him in the their lineups last year also had Getzlaf and Perry in there. He's just a bit too slow thinking for the NHL.

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02-05-2013, 04:34 PM
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Germans are great tank commanders so nice to see him in the line up.

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02-05-2013, 07:43 PM
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I mentioned that above. I think he answered that question yesterday. He can not handle the speed, or the quick decision making.
hmmmmmm

i wonder what today has shown then

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hmmmmmm

i wonder what today has shown then
That you have to give someone more than a handful of games to start to evaluate?

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02-05-2013, 07:48 PM
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That you have to give someone more than a handful of games to start to evaluate?
That actually was my point.

Holzer was awful yesterday, and today he has been really solid. From riding guys out, to patrolling the net, and his mobility hasnt been an issue

Whether or not he belongs here full time really depends on what we see over the next 3 - 4 games

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he's a 24 year old defensive dman that's been playing in the AHL

there isn't a lot to speculate here beyond he should get better with time

I agree 100%. Something that hockey fans need to accept is that there are going tone growing pains for some players to adjust to the NHL. Sometimes they may never get there, and sometimes letting them go through this period in their career is worth the pain, as you can get a legitimate NHL defenseman out of it.

It seems that in the modern age of live chatter with hundreds of fans in real time, via these message boards, has shortened, an already short, patience amongst fans.

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02-05-2013, 07:50 PM
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Give him time people.. Dam this is how we ruin our youth..The guy has played like 3 games in the nhl..Let him adjust to the NHL and then judge his plays...
Are you sayin' that Holzer reads this board?

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02-05-2013, 07:52 PM
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Just like JvR. People write players off way too fast.

Not saying Holzer is a god or anything, but he's definitely bottom pairing capable.

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Germans are great tank commanders so nice to see him in the line up.
lmao...

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People don't understand the "tanking" reference I guess.

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Well that was a redeeming game for Holzer. A goal, a bunch of solid hits and puck retrievals, a key blocked shot and cleared 3 pucks from behind Scrivens.

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Just like JvR. People write players off way too fast.

Not saying Holzer is a god or anything, but he's definitely bottom pairing capable.
He has top-4 potential. Brooks Orpik-esque (like when he used to be good).

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Well that was a redeeming game for Holzer. A goal, a bunch of solid hits and puck retrievals, a key blocked shot and cleared 3 pucks from behind Scrivens.
This thread is pretty laughable, except for the fact it so clearly obviates that we're the most bi-polar collection of lunatics in the world...

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Well that was a redeeming game for Holzer. A goal, a bunch of solid hits and puck retrievals, a key blocked shot and cleared 3 pucks from behind Scrivens.
Game winning Goal to boot.........glad his looking better. We need some more Dmen with toughness. Kinda missing Aulie.

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