You can not propose a "fair value" or close value trade for a player who is completely unavailable for offers, especially if that player is an integral part of a top contending team.
You'll at least need to double up on value in an offer to even get the other side to talk. In other words you would have to offer so much that it would be totally not worth it to your own franchise. Deals like that are very rare. Even in the Gretzky trade, Pocklington needed a ton of money to pay the young Oilers' new contracts and Gretzky became available for a ton of cash and so that Pocklington could jettison Gretz's huge upcoming contract as well.
Everyone in LA is happy with both Kopitar and his contract. He is not available. And to be really real, Toronto does not produce the type of players that LA is looking for, with a few rare exceptions.
so bozak kadri are trash and jvr is a bottom 6 winger. cause they havent shown anything at the nhl level.
The difference between your opinion and my opinion is the fact that I have actually watched Jonathan Bernier perform. Right now, he is simply not an NHL quality goaltender. He is a prospect that has failed to do anything significant at the NHL level.
Bozak is a third line centre playing as a first line centre. Of course he's going to look bad while doing it, any third liner would.
Kadri is almost a PPG player this year and JVR is playing very well as well.
Why don't you watch some games before voicing opinions such as those? Jonathan Bernier hasn't shown anything at the NHL level. Like I said earlier, there comes a point where potential doesn't matter anymore if you're given multiple attempts to succeed but never do.
I'm becoming more and more convinced that Bernier is a bust.
To Leafs: Anze Kopitar, Johnathan Bernier, Nick Ebert
To LA Kings: Phil Kessel, Carl Gunnarsson, Morgan Rielly
Why Toronto does it: Gives Leafs a new face of the franchise and a solid two way player. Also gives them a potential starting goalie and a project defenseman.
Why LA does it: Gives LA their best sniper since Ziggy Palffy while also giving them depth at the blueline which they are sorely lacking this year. Gunnarsson is quietly a very effective top 4 blueliner. Also LA acquires a potential stud #1 defenseman.
You have to give up something to get something. I think both teams benefit in the long run. Both teams also deal from a position of strength.
From a kings point of view . Done.
Bernier is a joke. I dont know much about Ebert except he is a prospect. Kopitar is excellent of course .
Kessel is also excellent provided he has a center who can match his skill. He has either Richards, Carter can play center as well and Dustin Brown.
Reilly is going to be a stud and would be a counter point to Doughty. Gunnarson is a solid top 4 guy who could end up playing 26 min a night when he matures.
This deal is a winner for the Kings. I would take it all day. If you have this big an emotional attachment for Kopitar, then the trade would have to be BOTH Crosby and Malkin before you would give up your beloved guy.
I understand, but as Lombardi, I take the deal. Kessel will FLOURISH in Los Angeles.
Ya because you gotta get an EXTRA GOOD RIPOFF rather than just rip the Leafs off.
You are already getting Morgan Reilly, Gunnarson and #%#$@3 Kessel for the guy.
Bernier is virtually worthless, and your other guy is just a mid level prospect.
And you cross your arms, POUT and insist its richards or carter just to make it a bigger ripoff?
Look. Kopitar is good. But hes not Malkin. Hes not Stamkos .
My god man.
A player like Kopitar who has played all but 18 games or so in the past 6+ seasons, consistently led the team in points, plays a solid two-way game, kills penalties, performs well in the playoffs, etc. etc., isn't valuable enough to the Kings to retain him for a long time because he doesn't put up 60 goals or 100 points a la Malkin or Stamkos?