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02-08-2013, 12:33 PM
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The only place Josefson has trade value is on the devils section of hfboards
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I like what I've seen from Butler, especially last night. But the Devils can sure use some size in their bottom 6.
Agreed. I'm on the Kulemin train.

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02-08-2013, 03:37 PM
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I'm not so sure that Lou brought in Loki to play with the big club. I'm thinking that it was to replace some depth in Albany, especially at Center and gives him some options longer term. Yayo and Henrique centered in Albany and now with Butler up and Tedenby hurt, the scoring depth in Albany is relying on who? Tim Sestito?

Having the extra d-men is a luxury and with the team winning, I don't see any rush to make changes right now.

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I'm not so sure that Lou brought in Loki to play with the big club. I'm thinking that it was to replace some depth in Albany, especially at Center and gives him some options longer term. Yayo and Henrique centered in Albany and now with Butler up and Tedenby hurt, the scoring depth in Albany is relying on who? Tim Sestito?

Having the extra d-men is a luxury and with the team winning, I don't see any rush to make changes right now.
From everything I've read, it seems like Lotkinov is fleeing to Russia if he doesn't get a shot with an NHL club.

So yea, I hope he gets his shot at some point this season because it would've been stupid asset management to just give away any draft pick for a 1 year AHL player.

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02-08-2013, 03:45 PM
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Ya, despite him going to the AHL now, it would be pointless to bring him in and not give him a shot. Lou never makes moves with only the AHL team in mind, even veteran signings down there are only done to help develop the prospects, and this doesn't fit with that type of move.

Loki will get a chance to stick with the NHL team. Whether he seizes the chance is up to him.

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I'm not so sure that Lou brought in Loki to play with the big club. I'm thinking that it was to replace some depth in Albany, especially at Center and gives him some options longer term. Yayo and Henrique centered in Albany and now with Butler up and Tedenby hurt, the scoring depth in Albany is relying on who? Tim Sestito?

Having the extra d-men is a luxury and with the team winning, I don't see any rush to make changes right now.
Doubt it, Lou has made it clear over the years that he really doesn't care what Albany does in the standings just that they are teaching the prospects how to be Devils.

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02-08-2013, 03:59 PM
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Lou probably made the move because there was an opportunity to get a good young player for a late round pick. Its a great value move and boosts organizational depth. When/if he'll get called up will probably depend on too many other factors (team success, injuries, performance of specific players ahead of him on the entire "depth chart," and whether or not other trades are made). I'm sure Lou felt he was more than good enough to contribute at the NHL level within the near future, be it this year or next, and it was worth bringing him in. I'm sure if he performs in Albany he likely will get every chance to break into the lineup with the big club. Only thing(s) that would stop that is if we suddenly find 4 lines that click with what we have, or make a notable trade that Lou felt was necessary to make.

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Doubt it, Lou has made it clear over the years that he really doesn't care what Albany does in the standings just that they are teaching the prospects how to be Devils.
Bingo. Depends of team results, injuries and other things we're not aware of, but Loko will get his chance to make the team sooner or later

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02-08-2013, 04:11 PM
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Anyway, if you read between the lines, this trade makes sense only if Loko gets a decent shot to make the big club. Count him already as a KHLer otherwise.
Lamoriello wouldn't throw away a 5th rounder just for playing 3 months a guy in the AHL and goodbye.

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Anyway, if you read between the lines, this trade makes sense only if Loko gets a decent shot to make the big club. Count him already as a KHLer otherwise.
Lamoriello wouldn't throw away a 5th rounder just for playing 3 months a guy in the AHL and goodbye.
I think the question is the timetable. If his attitude is immediately or I'm gone, then that is his flaw.


If his thought is he had no forseeable future with LA and he is looking for a real opportunity, he will most definitely get that.

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02-08-2013, 04:27 PM
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Agreed. I'm on the Kulemin train.
Not for the bottom 6, to bump clarktard down right?

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Not for the bottom 6, to bump clarktard down right?
At this point I think Zubrus would be the one to get bumped down if we acquire a top 6 guy.

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Zubrus and Clarkson as 3rd liners because we had enough in the top 6 would mean major success.

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Kulemin wouldn't bump Clarkson down, he might bump Zubrus. I think Kulemin would be an ideal third liner, and a good complementary guy for the top 6.

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Yeah I've been very unimpressed with Zubrus all season.

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Yeah I've been very unimpressed with Zubrus all season.
I haven't minded him, but I'm still afraid we're gonna overpay for him. I don't want him for $3 million. $2.5 million a year for 2 is more than fair. Let's not forget early in 11/12 people were complaining about his current salary. I distinctly remember someone saying ''The salary cap has gone up since we signed him so that contract is not bad right now'' and I agreed with them. He needs to take a pay cut though on the next contract.

Other than that he's not really a first line guy, but I really miss him when Matteau is on that line.

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02-08-2013, 09:06 PM
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I haven't minded him, but I'm still afraid we're gonna overpay for him. I don't want him for $3 million. $2.5 million a year for 2 is more than fair. Let's not forget early in 11/12 people were complaining about his current salary. I distinctly remember someone saying ''The salary cap has gone up since we signed him so that contract is not bad right now'' and I agreed with them. He needs to take a pay cut though on the next contract.
He's going to be 35 years old and it's been a while since he's really lit the lamp... he's definitely going to be taking a pay cut.

It's very clear how much the organization values him, though. So he'll probably get 3 - 4 years and everyone will complain about that, instead.

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He's going to be 35 years old and it's been a while since he's really lit the lamp... he's definitely going to be taking a pay cut.

It's very clear how much the organization values him, though. So he'll probably get 3 - 4 years and everyone will complain about that, instead.
I doubt he gets 4 years. Possibly 3 though.

I'm just saying people have been complaining about his salary since 2007 (I was never one of them) now some of the same people are saying he should make the same as what he's getting now. I remember some people begging for him to be waived back in 2010 when we had the cap trouble too.

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Yeah I've been very unimpressed with Zubrus all season.
As it turned out, he had an injury and now is out of the lineup and resting. Something definitely seemed off.

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I even remember an article somewhere back before opening night in 2010. It said the Devils were in the process of waiving Zubrus. I remember people salivating over the fact he would be waived. Though it turned out to be BS. I just think he should take a pay cut. Poni is 2 years younger, and got $1.8 million for just a year. I won't deny there's better aspects about Zubrus than Poni though.

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Didn't Zubrus get hurt when he got hit through the boards by the bench?

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I don't care what these "people" think or thought because Lou and Conte have always held the reins tight on this organization. And "people" are prone to having dumbass opinions.

Based on management's comments past and present, they respect Zubrus' style of play and his contributions both on and off the score sheet. Conte flat out said at the draft that they're looking to replicate his style of play throughout the bottom 6.

They'll do what they can to lock him in for a few more years, hopefully reasonably.
Especially since he's become Matteau's mentor.

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I believe so. I just think that, like the majority of the league, he's just starting to find his legs, though. He's been a bit slow to get into it offensively, but the simpler elements of his game were still there.
Hope he comes back sooner rather than later.

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$2.5 for Zubrus I have no issue with. I'd be more happy with closer to $2 million.

Before Matteau was drafted I thought the Devils might move on from Zubrus after this year like they have with older players before. After seeing him be a mentor to Matteau I think they'll try to keep him.

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A player like Zubrus is critical to two major factors of the Devils current system: cycling down low and overpowering opponents on the boards.

I can't see the Devils moving on from that unless either he doesn't want to come back or they no longer find him as useful anymore. I can't be certain about the former, especially considering our UFA history, but I find it doubtful that the latter becomes true.

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A player like Zubrus is critical to two major factors of the Devils current system: cycling down low and overpowering opponents on the boards.

I can't see the Devils moving on from that unless either he doesn't want to come back or they no longer find him as useful anymore. I can't be certain about the former, especially considering our UFA history, but I find it doubtful that the latter becomes true.
I think he'll stay. The vets seem to like it there in particular. We saw that with Moose, and Sal more recently.

What do you think is a fair price for him?

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