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02-05-2013, 01:11 PM
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2013 NHL draft lacks depth of talent

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2013-nh...0848--nhl.html

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In discussion with dozens of scouts the past few weeks as we prepare for our annual Future Watch issue, The Hockey News has learned the much-ballyhooed draft of 2013 is more sizzle than substance. It’s nothing special, after all.

“The 2013 draft is not as strong or as deep as we first thought,” said one scout, echoing the thoughts of many others. “It’s a deep top 10 and an OK first round, but I don’t see a lot of depth. Is it deeper than 2012? I’m not so sure.”
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“The 2013 draft won’t come close to 2003,” another scout said. “Let’s make that clear right now. Take away the first eight or 10 picks and you’re looking at guys who can contribute on the third and fourth lines, not the first line.”

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02-05-2013, 01:17 PM
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I guess it's up for debate if this draft has the depth of a great draft but the 2012 line is really throwing me for a loop.

I mean, look how many over agers were taken in 2012. The 94s eligible for the 2012 draft was a very shallow group.

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yawn, same crap every year. every draft is weak and lacks talent

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02-05-2013, 01:22 PM
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yawn, same crap every year. every draft is weak and lacks talent
What? Every year I always read about how wicked the draft is here on HF

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What? Every year I always read about how wicked the draft is here on HF
Well you hear that first, and then how weak it really is.

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What? Every year I always read about how wicked the draft is here on HF
2011 Draft wasn't very hyped, was supposed to be the weakest in a few years.

2012 Draft was considered top heavy and lacking depth.

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No it doesn't. Just trying to make a story for views.


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Just you guys wait til 2015

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Well you hear that first, and then how weak it really is.
That is true... I think its because people have such a hard on for rebuilding and prospects they pimp the draft... then reality sets in a few months later

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2003 was full of first liners eh?

(3rd) Nathan Horton - 2nd line.
(4th) Nikolai Zherdev - Not in NHL.
(6th) Milan Michalek - 2nd line.
(8th) Braydon Coburn - 2nd line.
(10th) Andrei Kostitsyn - Not in NHL.
(12th) Hugh Jessiman - AHL.
(15th) Robert Nilsson - Not in NHL.
(16th) Steve Bernier - 3rd line.
(18th) Eric Fehr - 4th line.
(22nd) Marc Antoine Pouliot - Not in NHL.
(25th) Anthony Stewart - AHL.
(26th) Brian Boyle - 3rd line.
(27th) Jeff Tambellini - Not in NHL.
(30th) Shawn Belle - Not in NHL.

Perhaps the 2003 draft wasn't as good as we thought...

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02-05-2013, 01:39 PM
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Just you guys wait til 2015
Or?

I remeber the fantastic drafts in the early 90's; the game had changed alot with the influsion of Europeans and a new way of thinking (more E-W hockey etc).

Then for a long number of years, we saw more or less avg to worthless drafts when you look at them in hindsight.

Before 2005'. The redline offside was removed, clutching and grabbing were abolished, a ton of dinosaurs on the bluelines all over the leagues and depth lines never could establish themselves -- and the drafts just before and in the following years were again fantastic.

Of course we can still see dynamic player(-s) in the upcoming drafts, but will they equal the fantastic drafts we almost are used to?..

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2003 was full of first liners eh?

(3rd) Nathan Horton - 2nd line.
(4th) Nikolai Zherdev - Not in NHL.
(6th) Milan Michalek - 2nd line.
(8th) Braydon Coburn - 2nd line.
(10th) Andrei Kostitsyn - Not in NHL.
(12th) Hugh Jessiman - AHL.
(15th) Robert Nilsson - Not in NHL.
(16th) Steve Bernier - 3rd line.
(18th) Eric Fehr - 4th line.
(22nd) Marc Antoine Pouliot - Not in NHL.
(25th) Anthony Stewart - AHL.
(26th) Brian Boyle - 3rd line.
(27th) Jeff Tambellini - Not in NHL.
(30th) Shawn Belle - Not in NHL.

Perhaps the 2003 draft wasn't as good as we thought...
That tends to happen too about 4-5 years after a draft. Everyone's well on their way to a Hall of Fame career but then reality sets in. The 1998 draft was looking like an all-time great draft at one point too, but all those guys came back down to earth.

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That tends to happen too about 4-5 years after a draft. Everyone's well on their way to a Hall of Fame career but then reality sets in. The 1998 draft was looking like an all-time great draft at one point too, but all those guys came back down to earth.
Hindsight bias. Just look at the projections for Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards and Corey Perry at the time — they certainly weren't projected to be 1st liners, maybe not even 2nd liners.

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In selecting Mike Richards, the Flyers made a rather conservative pick with their second first round pick. There is little doubt that if the player stays healthy, he’ll be an NHL player. The question is how good of an NHL player? Will he be a checking line center or a scoring liner?

In picking Richards, the Flyers went for for a mature young two-way center and bypassed two more highly hyped, hit-or-miss prospects in the more offensively dynamic Patrick O’Sullivan, who has been plagued by well-documented family-related problems and lacks Richards’ all-around game, but has arguably a higher offensive upside, as well as powerfully-built Kingston winger Anthony Stewart.
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Could become the third Ohio State product to be taken in the first round in as many years, joining R.J. Umberger and David Steckel. Scouts think he has limited offensive potential but like his hard-nosed attitude and project him as a third- or fourth-line center. Has good speed for his size. Averaged a point a game at the World Junior Championships as a member of the U.S. team. Ranked 16th among North American skaters by NHL Central Scouting, he'll probably go later than that in the first round.
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Played for the same junior team that produced Calder Trophy finalist Rick Nash but struggled through a difficult sophomore season. His draft chances got a boost with a big performance in the Ontario junior league playoffs as he totaled 23 points in 14 games. Solid playmaker with an above-average scoring touch, he needs to work on his skating. Despite finishing the season as NHL Central Scouting's 35th-ranked North American skating prospect, he could find his way into the bottom of the first round. If a team takes a chance on him, it will have a project on its hands.

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What? Every year I always read about how wicked the draft is here on HF
a year ago we were being told how 2013 is the best draft in 5+ years the teams with great scouting find good players regardless of draft strength

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2003 was full of first liners eh?

(3rd) Nathan Horton - 2nd line.
(4th) Nikolai Zherdev - Not in NHL.
(6th) Milan Michalek - 2nd line.
(8th) Braydon Coburn - 2nd line.
(10th) Andrei Kostitsyn - Not in NHL.
(12th) Hugh Jessiman - AHL.
(15th) Robert Nilsson - Not in NHL.
(16th) Steve Bernier - 3rd line.
(18th) Eric Fehr - 4th line.
(22nd) Marc Antoine Pouliot - Not in NHL.
(25th) Anthony Stewart - AHL.
(26th) Brian Boyle - 3rd line.
(27th) Jeff Tambellini - Not in NHL.
(30th) Shawn Belle - Not in NHL.

Perhaps the 2003 draft wasn't as good as we thought...
It was still a great draft. Perry, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Richards, Parise, Brown, Carter, Phaneuf, Suter, Staal, Vanek etc. All very good to great players taken in the 1st round. Then the second round contained two of the best two way centers(Bergeron and Backes), the best Dman in the league(Weber), the forever underrated Loui Eriksson, and a solid starting goalie in Jimmy Howard. Enstrom and Buff were taken in really late rounds too.

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2003 was full of first liners eh?

(3rd) Nathan Horton - 2nd line.
(4th) Nikolai Zherdev - Not in NHL.
(6th) Milan Michalek - 2nd line.
(8th) Braydon Coburn - 2nd line.
(10th) Andrei Kostitsyn - Not in NHL.
(12th) Hugh Jessiman - AHL.
(15th) Robert Nilsson - Not in NHL.
(16th) Steve Bernier - 3rd line.
(18th) Eric Fehr - 4th line.
(22nd) Marc Antoine Pouliot - Not in NHL.
(25th) Anthony Stewart - AHL.
(26th) Brian Boyle - 3rd line.
(27th) Jeff Tambellini - Not in NHL.
(30th) Shawn Belle - Not in NHL.

Perhaps the 2003 draft wasn't as good as we thought...
He's our first line winger... our only one.

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He's our first line winger... our only one.
My mistake. I was going by http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/l...ttawa-senators.. and they have Zibanejad on the first line.

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It was still a great draft. Perry, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Richards, Parise, Brown, Carter, Phaneuf, Suter, Staal, Vanek etc. All very good to great players taken in the 1st round. Then the second round contained two of the best two way centers(Bergeron and Backes), the best Dman in the league(Weber), the forever underrated Loui Eriksson, and a solid starting goalie in Jimmy Howard. Enstrom and Buff were taken in really late rounds too.
I know what you're saying, and I agree with you that it was a great draft... My point was that they're trying to say that this years draft is "weak" compared to 2003 in regards to "first line players".. to which half of the 1st round in '03 WASN'T.

They need to check their facts before publishing an article that puts down just about all but 8-10 players, when in reality, there were around the same number of players that year (minus Fleury) that are 1st liners.

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2003 was full of first liners eh?

(3rd) Nathan Horton - 2nd line.
(4th) Nikolai Zherdev - Not in NHL.
(6th) Milan Michalek - 2nd line.
(8th) Braydon Coburn - 2nd line.
(10th) Andrei Kostitsyn - Not in NHL.
(12th) Hugh Jessiman - AHL.
(15th) Robert Nilsson - Not in NHL.
(16th) Steve Bernier - 3rd line.
(18th) Eric Fehr - 4th line.
(22nd) Marc Antoine Pouliot - Not in NHL.
(25th) Anthony Stewart - AHL.
(26th) Brian Boyle - 3rd line.
(27th) Jeff Tambellini - Not in NHL.
(30th) Shawn Belle - Not in NHL.

Perhaps the 2003 draft wasn't as good as we thought...
^I never thought it was all that great...don't understand why people think it was?

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I agree. I mean, there is tons of talent in the top 5. Probably the deepest in recent memory.

But once you reach around 15, you get alot of prospects with good potential but obvious question marks.

I still think its fairly talented, but it far from a sure-bet challenger to the 2003 draft.

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^I never thought it was all that great...don't understand why people think it was?
The amount of quality players that came out of the first round alone is what does it.. Just about half the first round turned into star players, which I don't think we've ever seen.. Then we have to factor that all 30 players played at least one NHL game..

Personally, I don't see anything too extraordinary about the draft as a whole.... but the first round is the greatest we've ever seen, and that's what people seem to look at.

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I know what you're saying, and I agree with you that it was a great draft... My point was that they're trying to say that this years draft is "weak" compared to 2003 in regards to "first line players".. to which half of the 1st round in '03 WASN'T.

They need to check their facts before publishing an article that puts down just about all but 8-10 players, when in reality, there were around the same number of players that year (minus Fleury) that are 1st liners.
And that's abnormally high. Look at the previous and later drafts. 2001, 2002 and 2004 had about 4-5 1st liners/really good players. 2005 was high at 8. 2006 had 6. So a draft that yields 12-13 first liners is considered very good.

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I think the top 10 or so of this draft is extremely strong. The top 5 or 6 are all guys who could be 1st overalls in other drafts...then the next tier is still very strong...I think we'll see better than usual players come out of the 6-10 range.

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And that's abnormally high. Look at the previous and later drafts. 2001, 2002 and 2004 had about 4-5 1st liners/really good players. 2005 was high at 8. 2006 had 6. So a first round that yields 12-13 first liners is considered very good.
I think it should be more like that.

1991 NHL Draft gave 10 All Stars in the first round (13 by #30)
1993 NHL Draft gave 11 All Stars in the first round (11 by #30)
1997 NHL Draft gave 10 All Stars in the first round (10 by #30)
2003 NHL Draft gave 14 All Stars in the first round

What makes '03 so superior to '91, when there was only a 1 All Star difference? I never hear about '91 in regards to "the best drafts".. And you can't play the "they had 12 years more to play" card, because '03 gets compared to '79 all the time.

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I know what you're saying, and I agree with you that it was a great draft... My point was that they're trying to say that this years draft is "weak" compared to 2003 in regards to "first line players".. to which half of the 1st round in '03 WASN'T.

They need to check their facts before publishing an article that puts down just about all but 8-10 players, when in reality, there were around the same number of players that year (minus Fleury) that are 1st liners.
Yeah I'm really not sure what you're talking about, did you bother to look at how few 1st liners come out of other drafts?

Plus from your list I'd qualify Michalek and Horton as 1st liners. Not star players but they're more than adequate as a top line winger. A.Kostytsin played in that range as well, but rather than bust of course he simply left for the KHL. You also have two dmen in the list, Coburn who's a legit top 4 dman (comparable enough to a 1st line winger like Horton/Michalek) and Shawn Belle who was a bust.

You're not really doing your homework here. But the 2003 draft was as much about depth as it was talent. The very top end in it wasn't all that great compared to other years.

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