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02-06-2013, 12:19 AM
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This is inevitably becoming a clumsy situation for Mike Gillis and the Vancouver Canucks. You have to assume that there is frustration mounting on Corey Schneider evident from his agent coming out and voicing his frustration.

If Gillis doesn't resolve this and trades Luongo soon, you have to believe the next move for Schneider is to request for a trade.

Now you're disgruntled your younger goaltender, and there is awkwardness around Luongo who expected to be traded a long time ago.

Gillis is in a very tough position here.

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02-06-2013, 12:23 AM
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This is inevitably becoming a clumsy situation for Mike Gillis and the Vancouver Canucks. You have to assume that there is frustration mounting on Corey Schneider evident from his agent coming out and voicing his frustration.

If Gillis doesn't resolve this and trades Luongo soon, you have to believe the next move for Schneider is to request for a trade.

Now you're disgruntled your younger goaltender, and there is awkwardness around Luongo who expected to be traded a long time ago.

Gillis is in a very tough position here.
No, you don't.

Remember this is the agent's frustrations, not Schneider's. He has been nothing but patient. It's been 4 games. He will get more than another shot to earn more games. Luongo isn't going to start 40 in a row.

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02-06-2013, 12:57 AM
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should be more concerned about how much Schneider stinks
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02-06-2013, 01:44 AM
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No, you don't.

Remember this is the agent's frustrations, not Schneider's. He has been nothing but patient. It's been 4 games. He will get more than another shot to earn more games. Luongo isn't going to start 40 in a row.
The agent has no reason the be frustrated and it's quite the reach to assume he is acting alone in all this. Agents never go to bat for their clients or express their own opinions publically unless specifically asked for.

Schneider has expressed his frustration and told his agent who informed him that the best method career wise in expressing it is through him and not directly through the media where he is prone to let emotion and slip ups get the best of him.

It's really quite transparent as to what's going on here and doesn't take a lot to figure it out.

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The agent has no reason the be frustrated and it's quite the reach to assume he is acting alone in all this. Agents never go to bat for their clients or express their own opinions publically unless specifically asked for.

Schneider has expressed his frustration and told his agent who informed him that the best method career wise in expressing it is through him and not directly through the media where he is prone to let emotion and slip ups get the best of him.

It's really quite transparent as to what's going on here and doesn't take a lot to figure it out.
Likely true...

But you logically would not see a trade request from Schneider unless Luongo goes into NEXT season as the number #1.

There is zero reason for him, in yr 1 of a 3 yr contract, to pull that kinda nuclear, selfish move this yr on his team. Despite how much the opposition would wish for it..
But next yr if Luongo is still here at game 1, and carrying the starts....dot dot dot...

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02-06-2013, 02:06 AM
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Likely true...

But you logically would not see a trade request from Schneider unless Luongo goes into NEXT season as the number #1.

There is zero reason for him, in yr 1 of a 3 yr contract, to pull that kinda nuclear, selfish move this yr on his team. Despite how much the opposition would wish for it..
But next yr if Luongo is still here at game 1, and carrying the starts....dot dot dot...
Nope and I doubt he would.

But all we've heard is that both of them will handle it well and there will be no problems and everyone's professional etc etc, however not 10 games in and already we're seeing some frustration leak through. Very telling.

Gillis sitting on his hands taking his sweet time waiting for his personal Holy Chalice to fall from the sky doesn't help, either. Anything to distract the team from the all-important winning games and winning mentality can be infectious. Either Gillis allows this cancer to happen and have his hand forced or he deals with it now (Or IMO, last year). Gillis has no more time to let this crap go on any longer and every GM in the league knows it.

If he thinks he can wait until the off-season to get this sorted he may be in for a rude awakening. He's allowed himself to get between a rock and a hard place due to his ego and fantastical idea of Luongo's value. On one side he has 2 goaltenders who at anytime could sour the entire locker room and on the other side he has a huge problem to deal with when it comes to next years cap.

Either way it's going to be a blast to watch.

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02-06-2013, 02:27 AM
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The agent has no reason the be frustrated and it's quite the reach to assume he is acting alone in all this. Agents never go to bat for their clients or express their own opinions publically unless specifically asked for.

Schneider has expressed his frustration and told his agent who informed him that the best method career wise in expressing it is through him and not directly through the media where he is prone to let emotion and slip ups get the best of him.

It's really quite transparent as to what's going on here and doesn't take a lot to figure it out.
The context of the interview process largely determines whether or not this is true. I doubt agents ever initiate interviews with the press to voice their opinions without being specifically asked for by their client. We (likely) saw this happen last spring with Kesler and his agent. However in this situation by all accounts it was the Sun who initiated the interview with Liut in an attempt to perpetuate the controversy.

I find it disingenuous to Schneider to attempt to read into his thoughts based on a couple questions the Sun asked his agent. Maybe that's just me.

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The context of the interview process largely determines whether or not this is true. I doubt agents ever initiate interviews with the press to voice their opinions without being specifically asked for by their client. We (likely) saw this happen last spring with Kesler and his agent. However in this situation by all accounts it was the Sun who initiated the interview with Liut in an attempt to perpetuate the controversy.

I find it disingenuous to Schneider to attempt to read into his thoughts based on a couple questions the Sun asked his agent. Maybe that's just me.
I don't buy it. Regardless of who initiated it Liut still knows better than to make such comments without his clients approval beforehand. Liut had to know how much money he would stand to lose by risking getting fired and if there is one thing an agent protects above all else its their wallet.

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02-06-2013, 09:29 AM
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Is Schneider starting the next game vs Minnesota?

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02-06-2013, 10:07 AM
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They're professional hockey players and actual people. This is not a soap opera. This is not the WWE. Neither guy is going to get into a snit because the other guy is playing well. They can deal with the coach starting the hot hand. This remains, and always has been, a media-driven story.

Nothing has changed in Vancouver, by the way. Schneider will be the Canucks' goalie going forward. Until a trade is negotiated that Gillis is happy with he will not trade Luongo. Until Luongo is traded he will be treated as an asset that can help the Canucks win and deployed accordingly by the coaching staff.

People just looooove their drama.

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02-06-2013, 11:02 AM
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He is getting traded we all saw what happened when Hodgson wanted more ice time

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02-06-2013, 11:26 AM
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What gets me most about this whole situation is all the people who think it's such a big deal that a team has two good goalies, especially when one is obviously "the guy."

Halak and Price was fine. Price was gonna be the #1 regardless of any rumors. Habs got a good return for Halak while his value was high, the two pushed each other while together, and now both enjoy being a starter.

Brodeur and Hedberg last year, Hedberg was playing great when Brodeur was stringing bad starts. Knowing there was someone that could actually play in his absence, Brodeur focused on winning back the job and played great. Competition exists everywhere else on a roster, why is it such a big deal for a goalie?

Think about it. Roberto Luongo is one of the lowest-pressure situations he's ever been in. He knows he's gonna be traded eventually, he knows he was expected to be backup, he knows if he sits for awhile he's getting tons of money and the team will probably still be set with Schneider. He has absolutely nothing to lose.

Think about this. Mike Milbury discussed whether Schneider should be the one to leave now that Luongo has "reestablished himself." Don't be the person who agrees with Mike Milbury on how to do anything, especially in regards to Luongo.

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Let them bicker.

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You have to question everyone's motives here...

Mike Liut is an idiot for allowing his client to sign long term deal on a team that already had a goalie signed to a mega long term deal.

What did Mike Gillis tell Liut and Schneider? Schneider did sign for a little less, a "hometown discount". If he was told he was the "guy", signed for less and then sits on the bench he has a right to be pissed.

As for the "he's getting paid anyway to sit and watch", that is a ******** argument. He will never get this time back. He wants too play.

The most delicious thing would be if he started banging the drum for a trade.
Agreed. Obviously Liut is conducting himself (and Schneider, by extension) in a rather ham-fisted way, but let's not act like the Canucks are innocent victims here. It was made clear to Schneider (and everyone on the planet) that he would be the #1 guy this year, I don't blame him or his party for being upset. I don't fault the Canucks for going with the hot hand, but they're not absolved of blame in this little mess.

Dreger or Button made a decent point on That's Hockey last night when they suggested the longer this goes on, the more likely both goalies are going to feel betrayed. Luongo for signing a 10-year deal only to be pushed out the door not long after, and Schneider for the organization making promises to him that they aren't keeping, at least in the short-term.

I know Gillis said he doesn't have the luxury of considering people's feelings, but when both your goalies sour on you, it kind of leaves you in a jam. I don't think it'll get to any extreme (like both of them wanting out) but it's becoming clear that a move is going to have to be made sooner than later.

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02-06-2013, 11:52 AM
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He is getting traded we all saw what happened when Hodgson wanted more ice time
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what happens when schnieder and lou both want out. Cloutier the goalie again in vancouver?

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what happens when schnieder and lou both want out. Cloutier the goalie again in vancouver?
Hell of a comeback story!

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I don't get Vancouver fans. Minus Kirk McLean they've had crap goaltending during the entire history of the team. In the early 2000's they probably would have won a cup if they had even average goaltending. They finally get gifted one of the best goalies in the world (Luongo) and they run him out of town. During the last 3 playoffs he's lost twice to the team that won the cup and took them to the cup finals where he would have won the playoff MVP if they won game 7. Not to mention leading them to the top of the conference during the regular season almost every year he's been with th team. Soon he'll be traded and the Canucks will go back to being an average team that will eventually run Schneider out of town also.

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02-06-2013, 12:13 PM
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Scheneider is getting the start in Minny 99.9% sure. But the agent has to stay out of this I mean Lou has the better performance right now so just wait till Schneids time comes.

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It's interesting to see his agent take it to the level of public concern. I think all of the comments here claiming that one of us can look into a crystal ball and tell the future are foolish, but I think we've all generally got our fingers on the pulse of this thing and can realize there's no way that locker room is a fun place right now.

What blew my mind most was when Gillis said that the media is more concerned about it than he is.

I'd like some of what he's on if he doesn't see the long-term damage this can do.

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I can't beleive people are buying into this... They'll sort it out everyone relax.

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I think Schneider will be dealt. Nobody want Luongo's contract. Unless Vancouver is going to eat 1/2 the price.

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It's ridiculous for Schneider to complain. He's still getting played. Yes, his deal was done under the assumption of being the number one. But this is sports, and he got outplayed, and the Canucks are winning under Luongo. That's the NHL, that's sports, that's business.

Trade Schneider. You'll get a better deal, more leverage (does Schendier have a NMC?), and you get an its goalie with more confidence and a fanbase that's returning to his side.

At this point, Gillis needs to decide what type of piece(s) do they need to push themselves over the edge for the Cup and make that move.

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