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02-10-2013, 12:15 PM
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Got a few I really like right now including this one that I'm not going to pass up.

The Boston Mules select C/D Ebbie Goodfellow

So you're telling me there's many guys you like almost as much as Goodfellow at this spot?

(he was already selected by domakc)

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was drafted ages ago
Where?

I really need glasses?

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His record is boosted a lot, there is no probably about it. IIRC, Gonchar was a #5 defenseman on his own team at even strength in a couple of the years he received Norris and All Star votes from a handful of lazy writers! But he did round out better later in his career.

Great specialist though, and I think if you wanted an offensive ringer from the blueline, he was probably the way to go.
I was just trying to be nice

EDIT: wow , guess I catched that post too quickly for your taste lol.
Gonchar's ES TOI Rankings during his years in top 10 AST voting board:

2000: solidly in 3rd (barely any SH time)
2001: 2nd, 12 seconds behind 1st (barely any SH time)
2002: 1st, (barely any SH time)
2003: 1st by a mile, (little bit more SH time, but still only 1:30)
2004: 1st by over 2 mins, (a lot more SH time at 2:30)
2007: 1st (over 3 mins SH time)
2008: 1st (nearly 4 mins SH time)

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02-10-2013, 12:16 PM
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Got a few I really like right now including this one that I'm not going to pass up.

The Boston Mules select C/D Ebbie Goodfellow

He'd be the best value of the entire draft at this point, but he was taken at #121.

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02-10-2013, 12:20 PM
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We're going Sergei Gonchar, D.

I was pretty remarkably surprised by his All-Star and Norris voting records:

Norris voting 4th(2002), 4th(2003), 4th(2008), 5th(2000), 6th(2001), 7th(2007), 9th(2004), 14th(2010)

All-Star voting 3rd(2003), 4th(2002), 5th(2000), 5th(2008), 6th(2001), 7th(2007), 9th(2004), 12th(1996), 16th(1999), 17th(2010)

Points 1st(2002), 1st(2004), 2nd(2007), 2nd(2008), 4th(2003), 5th(2001), 6th(2000), 6th(2010), 8th(2006)

He'll QB the PP for the Alaskans.
Yeah, if you take Gonchar's voting record at face value, he should be drafted a round earlier than this, alongside guys like Stapleton, etc. Not everybody does, though.

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02-10-2013, 12:22 PM
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Damn.....I just saw it. I must've gone over it 20 times and didn't see it....I knew it was too good to be true.

All right give me a minute,

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02-10-2013, 12:23 PM
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Yeah, if you take Gonchar's voting record at face value, he should be drafted a round earlier than this, alongside guys like Stapleton, etc. Not everybody does, though.
Yeah I do think it's boosted, don't get me wrong. His defensive game definitely left something to be desired for about half of his prime.

But having said that, I do like his record now alongside who is left. He's not like a steal or insane value or anything. He's a fine pick here, and he'll be excellent QBing the PP.

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02-10-2013, 12:26 PM
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All right, got so,e guys that are close but i liek the two way play of this guy.

Boston Mules pick RW Claude Provost


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All right, got so,e guys that are close but i liek the two way play of this guy.

Boston Mules pick RW Claude Provost

Great pick, he's who I would have drafted if I didn't trade my pick. I needed the value later on though.

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02-10-2013, 12:32 PM
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Great pick, he's who I would have drafted if I didn't trade my pick. I needed the value later on though.
Yeah, I may drop him down to the 3rd line later but he's as solid a two-way player there was....couldn't pass him up.

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02-10-2013, 01:24 PM
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Ok, I know that we're up, but I havn't talked to my co-GM yet. I havn't been online in a few days, but I just need a quick talk with my GM before selecting (and getting up to date with the selections.)

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Claude Provost was easily the best defensive Vogon on the board.

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Yeah I do think it's boosted, don't get me wrong. His defensive game definitely left something to be desired for about half of his prime.

But having said that, I do like his record now alongside who is left. He's not like a steal or insane value or anything. He's a fine pick here, and he'll be excellent QBing the PP.
Exactly. Gonchar was bad defensively early in his career, and he managed to improve it to where it's pretty close to average now. That still makes him bad in the contect of the draft. We know that, we accept that, and we'll try to build around it.

Having said that, despite his flaws, Gonchar was one of the best defensemen remaining - the top one in my opinion. He brings a very valuable set of skills, especially to our team. Our Stuart-Seibert pairing is going to play a lot of hard minutes, so if we can keep their time on the powerplay to a minumum, they'll be more effective.

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02-10-2013, 02:11 PM
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Ok, I know that we're up, but I havn't talked to my co-GM yet. I havn't been online in a few days, but I just need a quick talk with my GM before selecting (and getting up to date with the selections.)
Received. Just waiting to hear back before posting up the pick. Shouldn't be too long.

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02-10-2013, 03:21 PM
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The Whalers (via Cincinnati's pick) select Theo Fleury, RW
something i have been wondering: is yvan cournoyer really better than theoren fleury?

they are similar players, and both played about 15 seasons, but i think fleury was probably better offensively, was a regular PKer and was very gritty. cournoyer was a PP specialist early in his career. fleury obviously has the nasty off-ice problems which hurt his career, and was heavily penalized.

cournoyer had a fantastic playoff career, but fleury was great in playoffs, too. both represented team canada.

there is also the issue of diluted post-expansion period, vs larger league with europeans and americans during fleury's career.


one of the problems with comparing players primarily on where they ranked in scoring is that it ignores whether someone was the prime mover of his team's offense, or whether someone was the 3rd best offensive player on his team, or even the 3rd best player on his line.

in mid/late '90s, fleury was one of the top W's in the league, and often led calgary in scoring by big margins.

'96 flames
fleury: 96p
(undrafted): 67p

'98 flames
fleury: 78p
(undrafted): 49p

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fleury: 69p in 60 games (later traded to colorado)
(undrafted): 57p in 76 games

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02-10-2013, 03:37 PM
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It's kind of strange that Cournoyer always went in the top 110-120 with ease with few people questioning his ranking then all of a sudden this year it's like everybody agrees at the same time that he was out of place lol.

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When I took him a few years ago, come playoff time it was clear he was overrated.

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02-10-2013, 03:51 PM
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Great Pick, I always find Lanny gets underrated around here.
We were looking at Lanny McDonald at #205, but I honestly don't see why he's such a high selection (well at this point he's a decent selection, no question, but late 100's, early 200's should be his spot)

I own him in the past, made a biography on him. I couldn't justify taking him much higher. Great leader and character guy though.

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There was a time when Punch Broadbent , Lanny Macdonald and Bryan Hextall Sr. were all being drafted very close to each others as RWers with offensive talent on top of having some glue guy or physical abilities.I will exceptionally keep my opinion to myself as to who is better than who , but I think they are all pretty far from each others.
I would take Bryan Hextall Sr., no question, over both of them. I would take Broadbent over McDonald, because he brings a lot of interesting traits to a team. But on a list they would be very close to each other.

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Ilya Kovalchuk, LW/RW
Good pick. We were looking at him for our selection in the 230's. I deserve a raise.

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I would take Bryan Hextall Sr., no question, over both of them. I would take Broadbent over McDonald, because he brings a lot of interesting traits to a team. But on a list they would be very close to each other.

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Can someone explain to me why Broadbent goes so early? Is he really anything better than a borderline top 6 forward with some grit?

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Can someone explain to me why Broadbent goes so early? Is he really anything better than a borderline top 6 forward with some grit?
You'll have to ask Modo because he's taken him the past two drafts.

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We were looking at Lanny McDonald at #205, but I honestly don't see why he's such a high selection (well at this point he's a decent selection, no question, but late 100's, early 200's should be his spot)

I own him in the past, made a biography on him. I couldn't justify taking him much higher. Great leader and character guy though.
I've seen him compared to Rick Middleton a few times here and on the HOH board. It seems like over time the consensus has shifted to Middleton having been the better player, but in the past McDonald had some supporters too.

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I've seen him compared to Rick Middleton a few times here and on the HOH board. It seems like over time the consensus has shifted to Middleton having been the better player, but in the past McDonald had some supporters too.
I really like Lanny, and especially how he finished off his career, but I'd pick Middleton over him with no hesitation.

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I hate you so much right now. Damn did I ever want to land him as our top line LW after Bun Cook was selected.

Seriously though, given his improvements since going to NJ this was an overdue move up in the draft.
You didn't sound that eager to land him via PM! He was definitely in the mix, but there's still a few guys I would love to see patrol our first line.

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Ok, I'm popping out the door to an IceCaps game, but since Ace Bailey and Si Griffis didn't get taken, this is easy for me.

I will be back later to explain why this is literally the best move anyone has ever made in the ATD!
Can't wait to read that!

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Yeah, I may drop him down to the 3rd line later but he's as solid a two-way player there was....couldn't pass him up.
I wish one day Claude Provost on someone Top-6. Definitely worthy. My favourite defensive player of All-Time

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Can someone explain to me why Broadbent goes so early? Is he really anything better than a borderline top 6 forward with some grit?
I think he got taken two years in a row from the same GM. I would like to hear from him.

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Can someone explain to me why Broadbent goes so early? Is he really anything better than a borderline top 6 forward with some grit?
Broadbent's package of skills is very attractive compared to his actual list of accomplishments.

I wouldn't pick Broadbent going where he usually does but there are a couple of factors to consider. He missed 3.5 seasons in his prime to serve his country. That reduced his career accomplishments but doesn't make him any less of a hockey player. Also, he was often splitting time with other wings on those great Ottawa teams after he came back from the war. Denneny, another guy, and Buck Boucher or later King Clancy all competed with him for playing time on the wing. Cournoyer had a similar issue in Montreal - only so much playing time to go around on a great team. (Of course if Yvan was as good as Guy Lafleur that wouldn't have been an issue.)

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