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02-10-2013, 09:11 PM
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I did a quick comparison of Alfredsson to Hossa before drafting Alfredsson:

Hossa

Goals 4, 5, 5, 6, 12, 19
Assists 12, 14, 15
Points 5, 6, 11, 12, 14
Hart: 10, 10, 18
All Star: 2, 3, 3, 3, 6
Selke (all forwards): 13, 14, 14, 17, 20
Selke (wingers only): 4, 4, 5, 6, 7
I also looked at Hossa recently...You are missing a 4th place AS finish from last year. Also, Giroux finished 3rd and was most definitely not a RW, so you could even consider that a 3rd place finish...pretty impressive.

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02-10-2013, 09:12 PM
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Lehtinen is a LW/RW, right?
I thought he was a LW first

Shows how much I still have to learn.

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02-10-2013, 09:15 PM
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The Alfredsson - Hossa debate has been going on for a few years now , and might go on for a couple of years again.

In the end there's no doubt in my mind Hossa will come out on top , but that's irrelevant to this particular draft.

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02-10-2013, 09:19 PM
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Ultimately your previous posts about Alfredsson vs Hossa were a big reason I picked Alfie - you basically said that Hossa's size made him more effective at checking bigger forwards, but Alfredsson's smarts made it easier for him to adapt to different linemates. And considering I have lines built around two guys who are probably hard to adapt to (Phil Esposito and Ilya Kovalchuk), I went with Alfredsson.
Thanks for posting the breakdown.

Yeah, I think Alfie fits your situation better. He could fit with either your first or second line as a smart supporting skill player who can help on the back check when necessary. Hossa's game didn't really fit with Kovalchuk's in Atlanta IIRC.

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02-10-2013, 09:22 PM
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I'll take Bob Baun, D
Nice, I always liked him.

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02-10-2013, 09:35 PM
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Hossa is another guy I could have taken for Bailey's spot. I really like what I know about Bailey's puckhandling - especially in defensive and penalty kill situation - and his playmaking finishes.

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02-10-2013, 09:59 PM
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All right, I'm taking the guy who has been the best offensive player on the board for a while. He makes our life a little bit more difficult as far as selecting later, but his skill is definitely far too strong to pass on at this point:

Russell Bowie, C

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02-10-2013, 10:01 PM
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One of these days, I'm going to return to the draft and build an ATD party team. Busher Jackson can bartend for the first line, and when he can be bothered, try to work the puck to Phil "Thunder and Lightning" Esposito and Theo Slurry. Would they ever win the puck? Who knows, but they'd have a good time trying!

For the second line, I'd like to go for an all-burnouts unit. Krutov next to pumpkinhead Lindros who I don't think ever took anything other than headache medication, but painkillers will have to do. On the RW, I dunno. For an all-party team, the left wing is actually a much deeper position, which is kinda wierd. I may have to switch a natural LW to the right, like Brendan "all your wife are belong to us" Shanahan.

Third line will be taken directly from the early-70's Bruins. The coach, too.

On the defense, the top pairing will obviously be Doug Harvey and Harry Cameron. After that, it gets kinda tough. An undrafted can play on the second pairing as the team dealer, but after him I can't think of any shady defensemen off the top of my head. Let's just go with Sprague Cleghorn to complete the second pairing. He can be the team bouncer.

Grant Fuhr in goal, with Ed "billion dollar" Belfour backing him up.
Lionel Conacher can definitely play D for this team. As an ex alcoholic who later gave up the bottle when he found Jesus or something, he can be the designated driver for the team.

Fuhr and Belfour are definitely good choices, but what about Clint Benedict? Not surprisingly, the "all party" team is very deep in goal.

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02-10-2013, 10:05 PM
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Let's just go with Sprague Cleghorn to complete the second pairing. He can be the team bouncer.
I definitely have known some bouncers who cause more problems than they solve. That's this guy.

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02-10-2013, 10:48 PM
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Gonna go with 2 time Selke Winner, C/LW, Rod Brind'Amour

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02-10-2013, 11:07 PM
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Does someone have Tony's pick?

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02-10-2013, 11:13 PM
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Does someone have Tony's pick?
Yes. He takes D Red Horner.

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02-10-2013, 11:21 PM
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Millionares select Gordon Keats, C

"Duke Keats was the brainiest pivot that ever strapped on a skate because he could organize plays and make passes every time he starts." - Lester Patrick

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02-10-2013, 11:24 PM
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Yes. He takes D Red Horner.
Wondered how much he was going to fall...

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Wondered how much he was going to fall...
Was hoping for a few more spots.

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02-10-2013, 11:42 PM
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Was hoping for a few more spots.
I don't understand this; I've never read anything about Horner that didn't leave me with the bitter taste of "reasonably talented goon" in my mouth. How is this guy better than an infamous, undrafted LA King defenseman from the 90's?

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02-10-2013, 11:46 PM
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I don't understand this; I've never read anything about Horner that didn't leave me with the bitter taste of "reasonably talented goon" in my mouth. How is this guy better than an infamous, undrafted LA King defenseman from the 90's?
Multiple top-5s in scoring, including a 1st. That's pretty talented.

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02-10-2013, 11:54 PM
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All right, I'm taking the guy who has been the best offensive player on the board for a while.
There are a couple of other candidates for that honor. Actually three. I will point them out when they are drafted. But you and Dreak seem to be awash in credulity for first generation players, so it doesn't surprise me you would believe that.

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02-11-2013, 12:20 AM
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Multiple top-5s in scoring, including a 1st. That's pretty talented.
… top 5 among defenseman.

Stats are a tricky thing … in the 1930's, Horner only led his TEAM's defense in scoring in 1938 and 1939. Given how powerful Toronto's first line was during most of the decade, it raises doubt about how much of this was "Horner's playmaking" vs "being on the ice with …" Yes, many years he was statistically behind King Clancy and some other drafted / soon to be drafted guys, but I wonder much these stats (which were heavy assists, which is typical) were a product of circumstance. The one year Horner scored goals in significant numbers -- 1932 -- his loaded team won the Cup, and the Kid line ran riot.

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02-11-2013, 12:30 AM
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Millionares select Gordon Keats, C "Duke Keats was the brainiest pivot that ever strapped on a skate because he could organize plays and make passes every time he starts." - Lester Patrick
jkrx and Edit: KingsForsberg are OTC until 8:21 AM EST. I'd like to make my next pick after that, but if they don't pick before I go to bed, I'll leave a 2 name list with guys. I pmed both of them (yes I got KingForsberg right in the pm) right after MB picked.


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02-11-2013, 12:31 AM
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jkrx and schultzsquared (he's on the board now) are OTC until 8:21 AM EST. I'd like to make my next pick after that, but if they don't pick before I go to bed, I'll leave a 2 name list with guys.
Wait what that's not my team...

EDIT: Will pick for him if you like... Drew Bannister...

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02-11-2013, 12:41 AM
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Whoops forgot to PM jkrx..

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02-11-2013, 12:51 AM
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Ultimately your previous posts about Alfredsson vs Hossa were a big reason I picked Alfie - you basically said that Hossa's size made him more effective at checking bigger forwards, but Alfredsson's smarts made it easier for him to adapt to different linemates. And considering I have lines built around two guys who are probably hard to adapt to (Phil Esposito and Ilya Kovalchuk), I went with Alfredsson.
It were Hossa's tendencies to hog the puck that ultimately made me choose Fleury over him for my first line RW.

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02-11-2013, 01:17 AM
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Whoops forgot to PM jkrx..
I made a mistake, but I pmed jkrx and KingForsberg right after you picked.

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02-11-2013, 04:56 AM
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It were Hossa's tendencies to hog the puck that ultimately made me choose Fleury over him for my first line RW.
You remember him as something of a puck hog too? I didn't want to say it that way because I think that was only him in Ottawa and Atlanta - you can't be a puck hog and thrive next to Crosby or Datsyuk/Zetterberg, right? But I do definitely remember him as a guy who held onto the puck for a very long time - which can actually be quite helpful for his team, but not next to someone like Bobby Hull obviously. I definitely have an impression of him and Kovalchuk being put on different lines in Atlanta almost immediately.

Fleury's speed does make him a good running partner for Bobby Hull

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