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02-11-2013, 05:04 AM
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I remember him carrying the puck a ton in the NT. He's really hard to knock off the puck, so it sort of made sense. But it was also integral part of our traditional NT strategy of 'carry the puck into the corner and wait for the opposing team to score an own goal'.

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02-11-2013, 05:11 AM
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Gonna go with 2 time Selke Winner, C/LW, Rod Brind'Amour
I have been wondering recently if Brindy will ever get a shot at his natural position (and not as some grinding winger) on an ATD second line. I think he is deserving. His scoring compares quite well to one other established two-way 2nd line center:

Jacques Lemaire Vs2:
91, 79, 74, 72, 71, 64, 61, 59

Rod Brind'Amour Vs2:
81, 81, 73, 72, 69, 63, 60, 58

And that's without taking the Lafleur effect into account. To be honest, I think Rod was the better overall player.

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02-11-2013, 05:16 AM
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To be honest, I think Rod was the better overall player.
Concur.

I haven't ever broken down position-by-position what works / what leads to ATD success outside of basically having a really good team (i.e.: is the key having a dominant 2nd scoring line or 3 balanced D pairs, etc), but I don't see why Brind'amour couldn't pass as a 1C with a pair of really good wingers, like a Barber-Brindamour-Kurri line. I think he's just at the level where with help he could hold his own against the Jean Beliveaus and Bobby Clarkes.

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02-11-2013, 05:18 AM
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I have been wondering recently if Brindy will ever get a shot at his natural position (and not as some grinding winger) on an ATD second line. I think he is deserving. His scoring compares quite well to one other established two-way 2nd line center:

Jacques Lemaire Vs2:
91, 79, 74, 72, 71, 64, 61, 59

Rod Brind'Amour Vs2:
81, 81, 73, 72, 69, 63, 60, 58

And that's without taking the Lafleur effect into account. To be honest, I think Rod was the better overall player.
He was on my team in 2011.

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02-11-2013, 05:21 AM
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He was on my team in 2011.
Was he? Sorry I missed that. At 40 teams, Brindy would be a quite good 2nd line pivot.

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02-11-2013, 06:56 AM
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I have been wondering recently if Brindy will ever get a shot at his natural position (and not as some grinding winger) on an ATD second line. I think he is deserving. His scoring compares quite well to one other established two-way 2nd line center:

Jacques Lemaire Vs2:
91, 79, 74, 72, 71, 64, 61, 59

Rod Brind'Amour Vs2:
81, 81, 73, 72, 69, 63, 60, 58

And that's without taking the Lafleur effect into account. To be honest, I think Rod was the better overall player.
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Concur.
Not many players have his level of offense and longevity to go with a couple of Selkes that is for sure.

Then add in his size/grit, faceoff ability and being able to play wing or center and you have a very flexible player.

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02-11-2013, 07:06 AM
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Brind'amour was slow, or at least not fleet of foot, hampering his backchecking ability against speedier centers, especially as he aged and played more center. He got burned at times trying to come back. But, have no doubt, he was coming back! He hustled always.

As a winger earlier in his career, he was exceptional in front of the net for screens and deflections (one of three or four of his generation), really good at tip ins, first rate eye-hand coordination, strong and resilient, a fountain of hard work.

I see him as a 2nd/3rd liner in an all-time context, ideally a third line winger to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. But he is not out of place as a 2nd line multifaceted talent, not the most prolific scorer of the line but a contributor in many ways to the top six.


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02-11-2013, 07:25 AM
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Rod Brind'Amour was a monster in his only Cup year with Carolina....

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02-11-2013, 07:38 AM
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You remember him as something of a puck hog too? I didn't want to say it that way because I think that was only him in Ottawa and Atlanta - you can't be a puck hog and thrive next to Crosby or Datsyuk/Zetterberg, right? But I do definitely remember him as a guy who held onto the puck for a very long time - which can actually be quite helpful for his team, but not next to someone like Bobby Hull obviously. I definitely have an impression of him and Kovalchuk being put on different lines in Atlanta almost immediately.

Fleury's speed does make him a good running partner for Bobby Hull
Yeah he definitely wasn't a puck hog in Pittsburgh, and I don't think he has been in Chicago so I'd say that he's adaptable to circumstances. Him being a puck hog wasn't even something we really considered when we thought about him.

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02-11-2013, 07:53 AM
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He was on my team in 2011.
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02-11-2013, 08:10 AM
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I see him as a 2nd/3rd liner in an all-time context, ideally a third line winger to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. But he is not out of place as a 2nd line multifaceted talent, not the most prolific scorer of the line but a contributor in many ways to the top six.
The guy was a faceoff monster. The guy was at 59-60%. (61% during the Cup winning year).

There are pros and cons to him playing LW and C.

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02-11-2013, 08:25 AM
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The guy was a faceoff monster. The guy was at 59-60%. (61% during the Cup winning year).

There are pros and cons to him playing LW and C.
He obviously has a lot more defensive impact as a C, as well. Rod never got more than token Selke votes as a wing.

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02-11-2013, 08:51 AM
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I pmed you and KingForsberg right after MB picked. You were skipped over half an hour ago, but there's a 99% chance I'm not taking anyone's "player" this round. The Edmonton Mercurys are proud to select Coach Toe Blake. pming Markander.

No problems. Ive got your pm but was hoping my Co-gm would be able to contact me before our clock ran out.

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The guy was a faceoff monster. The guy was at 59-60%. (61% during the Cup winning year).

There are pros and cons to him playing LW and C.
Faceoffs can easily be taken by a winger. They aren't drones out there on the ice.

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02-11-2013, 09:27 AM
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I remember him carrying the puck a ton in the NT. He's really hard to knock off the puck, so it sort of made sense. But it was also integral part of our traditional NT strategy of 'carry the puck into the corner and wait for the opposing team to score an own goal'.
Hossa was definitely the primary puck carrier on his line in Ottawa and Atlanta. He played off the puck more with Crosby in Pittsburgh I believe. Not sure about his time in the Western Conference, I'll have to defer to others on that.

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Rod Brind'Amour was a monster in his only Cup year with Carolina....
I thought it was a Smythe-worthy performance to be honest. He made a positive impact on every shift in that playoffs.

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I'm never one to be conventional, the Fireworks are very pleased to select C Henrik Sedin

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I'm never one to be conventional, the Fireworks are very pleased to select C Henrik Sedin

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Not sure what's unconventional here. I was looking at him with my last pick, and was hoping he'd sneak down to my next one .

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02-11-2013, 12:40 PM
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I'm never one to be conventional, the Fireworks are very pleased to select C Henrik Sedin

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Not sure what's unconventional here. I was looking at him with my last pick, and was hoping he'd sneak down to my next one .
Yeah it makes sense he moves up as he adds those high finishes but....

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02-11-2013, 12:46 PM
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I'm never one to be conventional, the Fireworks are very pleased to select C Henrik Sedin

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This was one of the players I was thinking of when I said after Bowie was drafted that there are other candidates for best offensive player available. Henrik's rise is justified.

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02-11-2013, 12:54 PM
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Count me in as a Brind'Amour fan.Brind'Amour represent what a hockey player should be in my mind (of course he wasn't a superstar , but I can't expect the prototype hockey player to be one since there's so few of them).He was a real hockey person and his passion for hockey transpired.

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When did Tikkanen play RW?

I think the unconventional part about Henrik Sedin is using him as a 3rd liner

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I also looked at Hossa recently...You are missing a 4th place AS finish from last year. Also, Giroux finished 3rd and was most definitely not a RW, so you could even consider that a 3rd place finish...pretty impressive.
Meant to respond to this earlier. I added a 4th.


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02-11-2013, 01:11 PM
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When did Tikkanen play RW?

I think the unconventional part about Henrik Sedin is using him as a 3rd liner
From time to time. His game wasnt hurt by changing from left to right wing. Dont know how often it happened but it did. It doesnt matter as we are going to have him on LW anyway.

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This was one of the players I was thinking of when I said after Bowie was drafted that there are other candidates for best offensive player available. Henrik's rise is justified.
Henrik's rise to this draft spot is fair. Bowie's fall to his draft spot was not fair. Their offensive abilities are not close.

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I think the unconventional part about Henrik Sedin is using him as a 3rd liner
oh, in that case good for him. We need more non-shutdown 3rd lines in this..

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