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02-14-2013, 05:06 PM
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Some comments on recent picks: [*]Didn't Phil Watson barely play wing?
The HOF website and the Canadiens website both list him at RW.

From my reading he played a bit of wing while breaking into the league and moved back to wing (mostly RW but some LW too) later in his career. But he was a full-time centre from 1937-38 through 1943-44 - basically his prime years. So it's his obvious position for the ATD, and that's where he will play for the Ottawa Senators.


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02-14-2013, 08:28 PM
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Philadelphia selects RW Joe Mullen



He will slot into the 2nd line RW spot next to Joe Thornton. There are better offensive RWs out there, but Mullen's two-way game and willingness to battle despite his size made him attractive to us. Above all else, we picked him to silence the critics who erroneously believe Thornton is a playoff choker(Mullen led the playoffs in goals twice).

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02-14-2013, 08:52 PM
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I almost traded up to get this guy but glad he fell to me. I think this player is kinda underrated and undervalued around here, as he was one of the best offensive defensemen of his time.

The Pittsburgh Bankers are very pleased to select D "Bullet" Joe Simpson

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02-14-2013, 08:53 PM
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JFA and I will once again set the 4-pick speed record as I take Joe Hall and Dick Duff...at which point JFA picks...

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02-14-2013, 08:57 PM
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JFA and I will once again set the 4-pick speed record as I take Joe Hall and Dick Duff...at which point JFA picks...
We would have if you didn't just take my guy. i'll be back shortly with my pick

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02-14-2013, 09:25 PM
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Bullet Joe and Bad Joe within a minute of each other! ....

Glad to see neither would be available next round, as it may have upset our team's plans. Each deserves a good bio with newspaper article search and book references. If not this year, hopefully next.

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Bullet Joe and Bad Joe within a minute of each other! ....

Glad to see neither would be available next round, as it may have upset our team's plans. Each deserves a good bio with newspaper article search and book references. If not this year, hopefully next.
And Joe Mullen went right before! Three joe's in a row

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02-14-2013, 09:32 PM
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Bullet Joe and Bad Joe within a minute of each other! ....

Glad to see neither would be available next round, as it may have upset our team's plans. Each deserves a good bio with newspaper article search and book references. If not this year, hopefully next.
Bullet Joe already has a great bio by overpass. IMO, he's something of a steal now and I would have been hard pressed to pass on him with my next pick, even though he doesn't really fit my plans.

Bad Joe does need a good bio, I agree.

Dick Duff is the guy who is usually used as a second line glue guy whose offense I compared to George Armstrong, and not only is Armstrong's offense better, it seems to be quite a bit better. VS2 would be more complete, but it's basically 5 top 20 points finishes for Armstrong vs 2 for Duff


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Bullet Joe already has a great bio by overpass. IMO, he's something of a steal now and I would have been hard pressed to pass on him with my next pick, even though he doesn't really fit my plans.
The big problem I have with Bullet Joe is that his prime appears to have been very short. I can't really credit performance in senior hockey or the Big-8, which was truly a minor league, and at any rate, there is no anecdotal evidence from this portion of Simpson's career that he was anything special. He was also not impressive in the NHL, so that leaves four seasons in the WCHL/WHL, where he was obviously something of a star.

I have few doubts about Bullet Joe's peak value (though I don't know how high it was), but four years is what it is, and that is somewhat generous, as I've never seen anything from his first season in the WCHL, but his stats in that year are similar enough to the other seasons that I think it is fair to extrapolate. I like Simpson here, but I don't think he was clearly better than a couple of other defensemen who have noticeably longer peaks and competed in tougher eras.

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02-14-2013, 10:15 PM
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Philadelphia is shopping their upcoming pick, ideally to move down to around 330-340.

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The Pittsburgh Bankers select D Adam Foote

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The big problem I have with Bullet Joe is that his prime appears to have been very short. I can't really credit performance in senior hockey or the Big-8, which was truly a minor league, and at any rate, there is no anecdotal evidence from this portion of Simpson's career that he was anything special. He was also not impressive in the NHL, so that leaves four seasons in the WCHL/WHL, where he was obviously something of a star.

I have few doubts about Bullet Joe's peak value (though I don't know how high it was), but four years is what it is, and that is somewhat generous, as I've never seen anything from his first season in the WCHL, but his stats in that year are similar enough to the other seasons that I think it is fair to extrapolate. I like Simpson here, but I don't think he was clearly better than a couple of other defensemen who have noticeably longer peaks and competed in tougher eras.
I was debating between Simpson and Housley. I think at his peak Simpson was likely better than Housley overall, but as you said, that may have been for a fairly short period, where Housley has incredible longevity. In the end I felt like there were just too many question marks with Simpson...Housley has his flaws, but you know what you're getting. I still think Simpson is a good pick, with an extra bonus being a RHS.

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I was debating between Simpson and Housley. I think at his peak Simpson was likely better than Housley overall, but as you said, that may have been for a fairly short period, where Housley has incredible longevity. In the end I felt like there were just too many question marks with Simpson...Housley has his flaws, but you know what you're getting.
Yeah. I got crucified by some other posters for daring to draft Housley as my team's 5th defenseman before, as a third pairing powerplay specialist and puck mover when trailing in games, playing sheltered minutes. Good luck defending him on a second pairing. (But then again, there are posters who disagree with everything I do, so maybe you are liked enough to get less heat for drafting him even earlier than I had.)

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We're not entirely sure where this guy is going to play, but you can never have too many good two-way players that have some grit, and can also score goals. With that in mind, Philadelphia selects RW Danny Gare



For now, he will be penciled into the first line RW spot, completing Philadelphia's 1st line of Ovechkin-Taylor-Gare.

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02-15-2013, 12:27 AM
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For now, he will be penciled into the first line RW spot, completing Philadelphia's 1st line of Ovechkin-Taylor-Gare.
Who is gonna be the passer primarily? OV and Cyclone love to rush with the puck, not dishing off often or with notable skill. Gare at least played with puck-wielding Perrault, though Gil was known to pass too. The line seems less than ideal. Perhaps get a passer up there.

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02-15-2013, 12:53 AM
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Yeah. I got crucified by some other posters for daring to draft Housley as my team's 5th defenseman before, as a third pairing powerplay specialist and puck mover when trailing in games, playing sheltered minutes. Good luck defending him on a second pairing. (But then again, there are posters who disagree with everything I do, so maybe you are liked enough to get less heat for drafting him even earlier than I had.)
Wasn't that TheSabre?

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02-15-2013, 01:01 AM
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Who is gonna be the passer primarily? OV and Cyclone love to rush with the puck, not dishing off often or with notable skill. Gare at least played with puck-wielding Perrault, though Gil was known to pass too. The line seems less than ideal. Perhaps get a passer up there.
why is taylor not a passer? i think he retired with more assists than any player, and led PCHA in assists by a wide margin.

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Who is gonna be the passer primarily? OV and Cyclone love to rush with the puck, not dishing off often or with notable skill. Gare at least played with puck-wielding Perrault, though Gil was known to pass too. The line seems less than ideal. Perhaps get a passer up there.
Taylor was probably the best passer in the first 30-40 years of hockey's existence. But at the same time, I had the same thought as you that it may not be the most efficient use of Taylor's skills to have him flanked with two goal scorers, considering he was a good goal scorer himself. That's why I made sure I could slot him somewhere else in my lineup, and that place is next to Jean Ratelle on the 3rd line if Ovechkin-Taylor-Gare doesn't seem to work.

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We're not entirely sure where this guy is going to play, but you can never have too many good two-way players that have some grit, and can also score goals. With that in mind, Philadelphia selects RW Danny Gare



For now, he will be penciled into the first line RW spot, completing Philadelphia's 1st line of Ovechkin-Taylor-Gare.
**** off, I was ready to take him in the next round. Back to the drawing board.

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[*]Dreakmur and vecens - you guys are getting pretty predictable.
Doesn't that mean we're making all the right picks? When we start making surprising picks, then I'll start to worry.

Honestly, I try to avoid taking players I've owned before. I'd rather research guys that need to be profiled, but at some point we have to build the best team too.

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I took a long hard look at both Smith and Walker before deciding on Armstrong. I almost sent you guys a PM to tell you not to worry, I wasn't trying to trade up for Smith or Walker, I was so sure that they were the two guys on your radar. Heh.
We've been looking at Armstrong for the last 2-3 picks. He has the size and toughness we wanted for our 1st line, but there's no way he could keep up to Joliat and Morenz. He just didn't make sense for our line-up. Walker, on the other hand, is perfect for what we wanted to build.

For your line-up George Armstrong made a lot of sense. I'd slide him on Esposito's wing for sure.

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I believe my bio is what he's referring to, specifically these quotes:

I think it's enough to say that he at least made an effort to backcheck and was not afraid to mix it up and defend himself. Would I call him a two-way player? Probably not, but I'd say he's not a negative defensively.
I read your bio when you wrote it - it was well done. At the time, I never took anything from it about his defensive play. Now that somebody seems to have found something it it, I read it again. You've got one quote from one guy that saw McGee backceck one time, and that's the only thing that's even close to something about defensive play. That's about as much as I have for Bowie.


Actually, speaking of your bios, you still haven't made the additions I gave you for your Cyclone Taylor bio though

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