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02-05-2013, 08:56 PM
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Vancouver Canucks-New York Islanders

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Josh Bailey


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Mason Raymond*
Kevin Connauton


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02-05-2013, 08:58 PM
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No reason for NYI to do this. They basically downgrade to Raymond for scraps.

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No reason for NYI to do this. They basically downgrade to Raymond for scraps.
Fair Enough. Didn't know Okposo's value was that much higher than Raymond's.

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Kyle Okposo


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Mason Raymond
Anton Rodin (2009 2 nd round pick)
2 nd round pick

Vancouver POV: Okposo is a big guy that can score, simple as that, gives the Canucks top 6 another element of grit. Okposo may gel well with fellow american centre Ryan Kesler, something Raymond has failed to do. Okposo could fit well on Vancouver second unit power play, letting Jordan Schroeder be Okposo and Burrows' trigger man. Okposo adds elements which Raymond could never bring.

Islanders POV: I know you guys have loved Micheal Grabner, well Raymond is essentially Grabner 2.0. Don't listen to HF posters who call Raymond "crap" He's been great for the Canucks this year. Raymond is a great defensive winger, with blazing speed, meaning he's an ideal penalty killing player. Rodin is a wildcard prospect who if everything works to the best is projected to be a Okposo type player. A 2 nd i a deep draft is always great.

after trade

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Burrows-Kesler-Okposo
Booth-Schroeder-Hansen
Higgins-Lapierre-Weise

after trade (Not familiar with lines so don't kill me)

Moulson-Tavares-Grabner
Raymond-Nielsen-Nino
Boyes-Bailey-Martin
Cizikas-Reasoner-Aucoin

Thoughts?

Isles aren't looking for depth trades or to trade core players for soon to be ufas like Raymond.
They have a glut of unproven youngsters.


If they move a core youngster, on a team friendly contract, it'll be to bring in either a 1st line winger or a quality top 3 d-man, to replace Streit who's a ufa this summer.

I think they need to address the D because Strome/Nino/Nelson will be fighting for spots in camp and the forward group is deeper then the blueline group.

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I'd trade Ballard for a 2nd in the offseason.

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How about the new proposal?

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02-05-2013, 09:09 PM
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I'd trade Ballard for a 2nd in the offseason.
Isles don't have a 2nd rounder.

MacDonald-Hamonic are a solid top pairing.

In Strait, the Isles look like they've found dependable #4 dman.

Snow reportedly expects a lot of players to be available between the buyouts, teams getting under the reduced cap and ufas.

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No reason for NYI to do this. They basically downgrade to Raymond for scraps.
Mason Raymond is an upgrade on Josh Bailey.

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Mason Raymond is an upgrade on Josh Bailey.
It was originally Okposo.

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How about the new proposal?

Bailey finished up last season, with 17 pts in his last 19 games, on a line with Nielsen-Okposo. Bailey said he and Snow had agreed he'd switch from center to lw. It sounds like the isles want to give Bailey a long look at the wing position.

Not much reason to flip Bailey who'll be a rfa this summer, for a impending ufa?
Moulson-Tavares-Boyes/Bailey
Grabner/Bailey-Nielsen-Okposo
Ullstrom-Aucoin-Martin
Cizikas-Reasoner-Boulton

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Mason Raymond is an upgrade on Josh Bailey.
Why are the isles, who are in a youth movement, trading 23 yr old Bailey for 40 games of Raymond?

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Damn neither teams seems to like this. I think Bailey could be a good fit on the Canucks if either Kesler or Schroeder could play wing on a line together. Bailey wouldn't be a bad 3 rd line centre. But man would Frans Nielsen be ideal, don't think we have the available assets to acquire him though.

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Why are the isles, who are in a youth movement, trading 23 yr old Bailey for 40 games of Raymond?
Why indeed, but to expect full value for a guy whose career trajectory has plateaued, is yet to return to action after knee surgery, and is himself an RFA this summer, is not realistic.

And why would the Canucks give up a guy who can produce on their top 6 right now for a guy who can't consistently crack the top 6 of one of the worst teams in the league?

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02-05-2013, 09:39 PM
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Why indeed, but to expect full value for a guy whose career trajectory has plateaued, is yet to return to action after knee surgery, and is himself an RFA this summer, is not realistic.

And why would the Canucks give up a guy who can produce on their top 6 right now for a guy who can't consistently crack the top 6 of one of the worst teams in the league?
Bailey is a very good pk player and a solid defensive player.

He had his knee scoped in training camp, with the isles calling it a minor procedure. The isles opened the season with two games at home, then 5 on the road. Newsday reported that he was walking around during the homestand, with a small bandage on his knee and that he wanted to start skating during the homestand.

The isles reportedly told him to hold off on the skating, until the roadtrip ended. He started skating on Mon. and is expected back this weekend.


Whether Bailey's 17 pts in his last 19 games, was another tease or not, the isles show no interest in moving Bailey. Not one source says they want Raymond, who is a ufa this summer.

We done with the 'how dare you not want my player' complaint?

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If Bailey gets the opportunity to play with Tavares at LW, his stock will go up very high imo. I really don't want to trade him because he could become a very good player. I would like to see the Isles give him an opportunity and stay at LW.

I would like to see Bailey-Tavares-Moulson on a line.

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02-06-2013, 08:32 AM
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Why indeed, but to expect full value for a guy whose career trajectory has plateaued, is yet to return to action after knee surgery, and is himself an RFA this summer, is not realistic.

And why would the Canucks give up a guy who can produce on their top 6 right now for a guy who can't consistently crack the top 6 of one of the worst teams in the league?
So, in other words, no basis for a deal. Right?

No offense to Mason Raymond, but we actually have 2nd/3rd line speedsters (Grabner, Ullstrom). Offering us Mason Raymond is like offering the Islanders another undersized defenseman, or a top-line pretender winger who can finish but can't win puck battles. It's more of the same.

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I would like to see Bailey-Tavares-Moulson on a line.
I would like to see the fabled Bailey - Tavares - Okposo line for a game or two.

I agree that Okposo hasnt been getting the job done as constituted but Moulson seems to have lost the ceribral link between Tavares and him that made that combo deadly. They cant seem to set up plays or complete passes. It makes Moulson just a more talented Mark Parrish shoveling in the garbage. I would like to see how replaceing him on the first line for a game or two effects the top line.

I would also like to see how Moulson does with the slick passing Nielsen.

Bailey - Tavares - Okposo
Moulson - Nielsen - Grabner

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