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02-07-2013, 05:18 PM
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never happen. Leafs do not need Bouwmeester.
You're right, why would the Leafs want a good top pairing defenseman?

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02-07-2013, 06:57 PM
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You're right, why would the Leafs want a good top pairing defenseman?
Don't need multiple over paid underperforming overhyped defenders from Calgary. And Bowmeester rarely competes.

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02-07-2013, 07:05 PM
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I think we need someone in Mac's role to succeed, not Mac.

In the 29 games Mac played for us last year starting with that 2-1 loss against Winnipeg February 7 that was the beginning of all of our troubles, combined with the 7 games Clarke MacArthur has played for us this season, Clarke MacArthur has scored in a whopping 12 of those games.

In 36 games, Mac has scored in only 12 of them, and has produced 4 goals and 11 assists.

That's not exactly what I'd call a productive player.

Matt Frattin in his brief hot streak alone has bettered Mac's goal scoring totals in 36 games in 7 contests this season.
Good argument except that Kule is held in high esteem even tho he only scored 7 goals last year and 1 this year. Can't say I've ever dwelled on Mac when he's not in the offensive zone but I think I will tonite.

Wouldn't it be better to have Mac and Frattin scoring at the same time because I would think that TO would be winning when this happens. Also wouldn't it be better to have people like Mac around when guys like Frattin aren't scoring cause he might be, isn't this what depth is all about.

Fickle Leaf fans will get on and off of so many bandwagons in the space of a year it's a good thing management isn't as fickle because TO would only be a crap load of draft choices, Mac sure isn't the best player at his position but he isn't the worst either, he is an excellent 2nd liner capable of scoring and defending, he would be very difficult to replace at his current $s.

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02-07-2013, 08:53 PM
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As I've stated his stats are far superior to Kule and in line with Grabbo so I would think that their superior talents, speed, physicality and whatever must be misdirected because they are not accomplishing more and I think that a player that can feed off of another should be considered an asset because we can never be sure if it's not a 2 way street.

I'm more of a fan of TO treating the rest of the NHL as it's farm team rather than sending players who are producing to other teams for unproven youth or draft choices. Mac is not without warts as is the case with most players but now is the time to exploit what he can give rather than give him away for someone who may never meet even his modest accomplishments.

So for me unless TO receives equal or greater payment moving Mac makes no sense.

Far superior?

In 10/11 CMac had only 5 more points but Kuli had 9 more goals (in 20 less PP minutes on the season). Since you love plus minus CMac was -3 that year well Kuli was +7.

Last year was the season from hell for Kuli but this year looks to be back to his 10/11form.

So far Kulemin has been the superior offensive player this season.

Kuli is also one of our best defensive players, plays a big body game (screening/cycling/holding onto the puck in the offensive zone) and is a good PK guy.

CMac is simply a player that will produce quite a few points on a bad team but on a team with good wingers like we have now in Kessel, JVR and Lupul he simply won't get the opportunity to produce much.

Other then offering 2nd line production he doesn't do much else. He is average at best defensively but personally I'd say he is below average. He doesn't play a big body style, he doesn't forecheck, he can't cycle all that great he doesn't kill penalties. So basically if he isn't scoring he isn't doing much else.

Everybody also blames Kuli for CMac not putting up numbers but he also saw he also dropped from about 240 minutes (19 points) in 10/11 to about 140 PP minutes and 9 points because the Leafs had a better option in Lupul. Now this season add in Kadri and JVR.

CMac was a good stop gap but now he is just overpaid for what he can bring to the table.

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02-07-2013, 08:56 PM
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02-07-2013, 09:07 PM
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He's inconsistent but he's fine.

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02-07-2013, 09:18 PM
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Does not.

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02-07-2013, 09:42 PM
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Watching him on the Kadri line, I would prefer just bringing up anyone from the A to play there instead.

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02-07-2013, 09:43 PM
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Hes redundant on this team. I'd rather make room for someone with size with a bit of offensive punch. Someone to make room for frattin/kadri.

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He looks so out of place.

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02-07-2013, 09:45 PM
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just left of kadri, and further left of frattin atm?

edit: in seriousness i dont understand the mac hate. he plays a solid game, has speed, creates, has finish. im not a huge fan myself and i find myself defending him from you people. maybe im missing something?


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Yet again doesn't show a consistent effort out there. Easily knocked off the puck, weak passes and doesn't open up space like Komarov did for Kadri and Frattin. He should be playing on that 4th line with Orr/Steckel/Mclaren.

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02-07-2013, 10:44 PM
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Funny thing is, this was like his best game.

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02-07-2013, 10:49 PM
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It's not just Macaurthur that's not producing... Grabovski and Kulemin are not either. This whole line needs to get going again. They do good things defensively and created scoring chances but none of them has any goals.

Macarthur is a good player when paired with other good players. I think he will come around once his teammates do.

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02-07-2013, 11:34 PM
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Good argument except that Kule is held in high esteem even tho he only scored 7 goals last year and 1 this year. Can't say I've ever dwelled on Mac when he's not in the offensive zone but I think I will tonite.
Why do you always use this Kulemin vs MacArthur argument? Kulemin is physically involved and defensively reliable even when he's doing nothing but scoring 7 goals in an 82 game season so he can be bumped down the roster and still make an impact. MacArthur barely makes an impact even when he's scoring, let alone when he's turned into Gary Leeman.

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he fits with grabo and kule...

mac kadri frattin would work for sure once he gets used to the youngsters.

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Funny thing is, this was like his best game.
Pretty sad ain't it?

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Im thinking they keep floating MacArthur around the lineup until Lupul comes back. Once Lupul gets back on the 1st line, JVR moves to 2nd line, and MacArthur is sent to a team that needs offence. The return however won't be nearly as high as some have been suggesting here. 2nd Pick MAX

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resign him to 2-3m per/yr

he's not a bad player, he's just not a great player, and he's got leadership skills

no harm in keeping a guy like that when the return is minimal and keeping him is a nice backup for injuries

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Just trade him.

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Clarke MacArthur is not a bad player, but I do agree that he doesn't fit well on our roster anymore. With the "second line" not producing as much (well Grabo seems fine, but Kulemin is showing that 30 goal season was more of an anomaly than anything), MacArthur simply isn't good enough. He's a player that will be able to produce if his linemates are able to score. He however isn't good enough to create his own chances as well as Grabo can. I really don't care much about where he plays, as long as Komarov gets back on Kadri and Frattin's line. It's kind of a waste to have Leo on the 4th, guy can create space like no one else on this team.

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resign him to 2-3m per/yr

he's not a bad player, he's just not a great player, and he's got leadership skills

no harm in keeping a guy like that when the return is minimal and keeping him is a nice backup for injuries
Insert The Office's "NO GOD NO!" gif here.

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Insert The Office's "NO GOD NO!" gif here.
at some point, the leafs need some stability, and im not saying he provides that, but having a consistent line up is a great way to prove to your players that you're in for the long haul, not looking to trade their a**es at the end of every year if youre "not up to snuff"

i stand by my comment, especially somewhere in between 2 to 3 a year, you can't give someone a letter one game and then trade them for scraps the next, thats not how you manage a lockerroom

that's good value for what youre getting, he's like a talbot type player, a beauty guy to have on your team when the going gets tough

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Clarke MacArthur is not a bad player, but I do agree that he doesn't fit well on our roster anymore. With the "second line" not producing as much (well Grabo seems fine, but Kulemin is showing that 30 goal season was more of an anomaly than anything), MacArthur simply isn't good enough. He's a player that will be able to produce if his linemates are able to score. He however isn't good enough to create his own chances as well as Grabo can. I really don't care much about where he plays, as long as Komarov gets back on Kadri and Frattin's line. It's kind of a waste to have Leo on the 4th, guy can create space like no one else on this team.
Agreed - get Leo back up with Kadri and Frattin - I saw the MGK unit back together later in the game, but like you said, it's getting more obvious that Kule's breakout year was just that, a single year.

And Mac is just not getting it done.

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