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02-08-2013, 12:14 AM
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Time to trade him before he fades even further into the background. And if he gets a couple of goals in the next week, trade him anyway.

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02-08-2013, 01:26 AM
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Haha I've been wanting him gone while his stock was "high" for the last two years, he's a one season wonder, and I was getting shunned like I've never watched a hockey game before, mostly 'cause majority of leaf fans overrate our players like were a championship team, it's kind of sad, and embarrassing; the same ppl probably think seven goal Kulemin is a 1st line player

As we have now Finally realized, many players can bring/could've brought to the table what Mac does, and we could have packaged him in a deal while his stock was higher... here's to hoping we can still get something half decent for him

Obviously I don't know for sure, but I think Dallas would've at least considered Kaberle, MacArthur, and a pick for James Neal, considering the Stars gave up Neal and Niskanen just for Goligoski

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02-08-2013, 10:49 AM
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I paid particular attention to Mac last night, he was throwing his weight around, going to the net and doing what I would ask of any player to do. There are better players than him without a doubt, he's overpaid yes but he is a useful player and like any useful player the better his line-mates the better he's going to produce. He's overpaid but then he's not the only Leaf in that situation but overall I'd say he's not millstone.

Removing Mac, like removing Connolly and Lombardi, would not be an addition by subtraction so I don't see the need for all the negativity.

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02-08-2013, 11:12 AM
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I paid particular attention to Mac last night, he was throwing his weight around, going to the net and doing what I would ask of any player to do. There are better players than him without a doubt, he's overpaid yes but he is a useful player and like any useful player the better his line-mates the better he's going to produce. He's overpaid but then he's not the only Leaf in that situation but overall I'd say he's not millstone.

Removing Mac, like removing Connolly and Lombardi, would not be an addition by subtraction so I don't see the need for all the negativity.
It's addition if you find the proper replacement winger who brings a different tool set to the roster on a nightly basis who can compliment his teammates better, i.e. a more physical, high energy winger who could compliment Kulemin on a cycle game, for example, a younger guy with the possibility of developing a better scoring touch, a defensive specialist, etc.

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02-08-2013, 11:20 AM
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I remember prior to the season when I'd mention Macarthur in the same light as Lombardi and Connolly. I got ripped for it, but here we are 12 games in he's our weakest link in the top 9.

He'll be gone at the deadline for a 3rd round pick at least. Burke could have been fired for declining a first for Macarthur alone, never mind having a bad hockey team.

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02-08-2013, 11:29 AM
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I actually thought he was decent last night (not as bad as most of you said), but he's become kinda redundant. Still can be useful for this year.

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02-08-2013, 11:34 AM
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I remember prior to the season when I'd mention Macarthur in the same light as Lombardi and Connolly. I got ripped for it, but here we are 12 games in he's our weakest link in the top 9.

He'll be gone at the deadline for a 3rd round pick at least. Burke could have been fired for declining a first for Macarthur alone, never mind having a bad hockey team.
I agree he'll be moved but he shouldn't be mentioned "in the same light" as those other two, no surprise you were "ripped".

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He did have a good jump but still wasn't able to finish a lot of the plays that Kadri and Frattin was on.

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I agree he'll be moved but he shouldn't be mentioned "in the same light" as those other two, no surprise you were "ripped".
Agree to disagree. He's the worst player on any line Carlyle throws him on.

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02-08-2013, 11:48 AM
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Agree to disagree. He's the worst player on any line Carlyle throws him on.
Yeah he probably has been, still doesn't make him comparable to those other two.

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02-08-2013, 01:59 PM
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I remember prior to the season when I'd mention Macarthur in the same light as Lombardi and Connolly. I got ripped for it, but here we are 12 games in he's our weakest link in the top 9.

He'll be gone at the deadline for a 3rd round pick at least. Burke could have been fired for declining a first for Macarthur alone, never mind having a bad hockey team.
I don't believe BB included Mac as 1 of the players he was offered a 1st round choice for actually I believe he was offered 1st round choices for Schenn and Grabo but BB being BB he had to say 4 1sts instead of 2.

I believe that the % of 3rd round draft choices even having a chance of making the NHL is below 5 %, so a trade of this nature is just giving him away.

The dissatisfaction I have is his pay because at 3.6 mil. per year I would like him to score or assist on a more consistent basis. TO had 4 20 goal scorers last year which is slightly higher than normal per team and if you check out other team's 20 goal scorers you would probably find that his pay with other players in his demographic is appropriate. However I think that most goal scorers are streaky by nature and I'd be surprised if they provide as much value as does Mac when not scoring.

If you isolated on Frattin and when he's not hovering around the opposition's net you'll be unpleasantly surprised at how little he does. Frattin's value is as a goal scorer, very little otherwise, so when he slumps and yes he will slump his value to the team will be very little. We all know that when Frattin does hit that slump, or Kadri, people will be jumping on the dump them threads.

So I guess hockey forums serve as get it off of your chest depositories, so have at it.

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02-08-2013, 02:06 PM
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I don't believe BB included Mac as 1 of the players he was offered a 1st round choice for actually I believe he was offered 1st round choices for Schenn and Grabo but BB being BB he had to say 4 1sts instead of 2.

I believe that the % of 3rd round draft choices even having a chance of making the NHL is below 5 %, so a trade of this nature is just giving him away.

The dissatisfaction I have is his pay because at 3.6 mil. per year I would like him to score or assist on a more consistent basis. TO had 4 20 goal scorers last year which is slightly higher than normal per team and if you check out other team's 20 goal scorers you would probably find that his pay with other players in his demographic is appropriate. However I think that most goal scorers are streaky by nature and I'd be surprised if they provide as much value as does Mac when not scoring.

If you isolated on Frattin and when he's not hovering around the opposition's net you'll be unpleasantly surprised at how little he does. Frattin's value is as a goal scorer, very little otherwise, so when he slumps and yes he will slump his value to the team will be very little. We all know that when Frattin does hit that slump, or Kadri, people will be jumping on the dump them threads.

So I guess hockey forums serve as get it off of your chest depositories, so have at it.

He was, I believe Darren Dreger tweeted that. It was 1st rounders for Schenn, Grabo, Mac and Kule. And Mac was playing very well then -- that Mac/Grabo/Kule line were like world beaters at the time.

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02-08-2013, 02:18 PM
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He was, I believe Darren Dreger tweeted that. It was 1st rounders for Schenn, Grabo, Mac and Kule. And Mac was playing very well then -- that Mac/Grabo/Kule line were like world beaters at the time.
You might be right I don't know but it seems to me that the Grabbo line never played well last year so the offer of 1st rounders would have come early last year or at the trade deadline the year before. If TO was offered a 1st rounder for Mac, should that not tell all Leaf fans how highly other teams value him and make us wonder why we don't hold him in the same high esteem.

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