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02-03-2013, 10:29 PM
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All Encompassing Winger Acquisition Thread | Part II: "The Winger Mystery Deepens"

WINGERZ

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Player
Shoots
Age
Current Team
Playoffs
Cap Hit
Signed Till
Role
Attainability
Corey Perry
RW/RHS
27
Anaheim
In Contention
$5,325,000
2012-13
Crosby's Dream
Pending UFA
Bobby Ryan
RW/RHS
25
Anaheim
In Contention
$5,100,000
2014-15
Crosby's Dream
Pure Fantasy
Thomas Vanek
LW/RHS
29
Buffalo
In Contention
$7,142,857
2013-14
Crosby's Sniper
ein Mann Verbrennung
Drew Stafford
RW/RHS
27
Buffalo
In Contention
$4,000,000
2014-15
Crosby's School-Chum
Playing on Third Line
Alex Semin
RW/RHS
28
Carolina
In Contention
$7,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Hired Gun
Pending UFA
RJ Umberger
LW/LHS
30
Columbus
In Contention
$4,600,000
2016-17
Malkin's Kunitz?
Burdensome Contract?
Alex Tanguay
LW/LHS
33
Calgary
No So Much
$3,500,000
2015-16
Crosby's Third Wheel
Impending Youth Movement?
Curtis Glencross
LW/LHS
30
Calgary
No So Much
$2,550,000
2014-15
Crosby's Third Wheel
Hockey Trade?
Jarome Iginla
RW/RHS
35
Calgary
No So Much
$7,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Olympian
Pending UFA, Bourque-ing
Lee Stempniak
RW/RHS
30
Calgary
No So Much
$2,500,000
2013-14
Crosby's Lee Remick
Impending Youth Movement?
Viktor Stålberg
RW/LHS
27
Chicago
In Contention
$875,000
2012-13
Crosby's TFK?
Ample Forward Depth?
Jamie McGinn
LW/LHS
24
Colorado
In Contention
$1,750,000
2013-14
Crosby's Kunitz
Ample Forward Depth?
David Jones
RW/RHS
28
Colorado
In Contention
$4,000,000
2015-16
Crosby's Pop-Star
Ample Forward Depth?
Ray Whitney
LW/RHS
40
Dallas
In Contention
$4,500,000
2013-14
Crosby's Wizard
Ample Forward Depth?
Brenden Morrow
LW/LHS
34
Dallas
In Contention
$4,100,000
2012-13
Crosby's Guerin
busted down and worn out
Jaromír Jágr
RW/LHS
40
Dallas
In Contention
$4,550,000
2012-13
Crosby's Troll
Pending UFA, Nostalgia
Michael Ryder
RW/RHS
32
Dallas
In Contention
$3,500,000
2012-13
Crosby's Sniper
Pending UFA
Johan Franzen
RW/LHS
33
Detroit
In Contention
$3,954,545
2019-20
Crosby's Mule
Dat Contract, Dat Inconsistency
Aleš Hemský
RW/RHS
29
Edmonton
In Contention
$5,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Playmaker
Youth Movement?
Magnus Pääjärvi
LW/LHS
21
Edmonton
In Contention
$1,525,000
2012-13
Malkin's Kunitz?
Ample Forward Depth?
Alexei Kovalev
RW/LHS
39
Florida
In Contention
$1,450,000
2012-13
TDL Seller?
Peter Mueller
RW/RHS
24
Florida
In Contention
$1,725,000
2012-13
Crosby's Running Mate
TDL Seller?
Charlie Coyle
RW/RHS
20
Minnesota
In Contention
$975,000
2014-15
Crosby's Neal
Ample Forward Depth?
Dany Heatley
LW/LHS
32
Minnesota
In Contention
$7,500,000
2013-14
Not Crosby's Driver
Burdensome Contract?
PM Bouchard
LW/LHS
28
Minnesota
In Contention
$4,080,000
2012-13
Crosby's Quiet Room Bud
Pending UFA
Devin Setoguchi
RW/RHS
26
Minnesota
In Contention
$3,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Hockey Trade?
Brian Gionta
RW/RHS
34
Montréal
In Contention
$5,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Midget
Overpriced Veteran
Colin Wilson
LW/LHS
23
Nashville
In Contention
$2,000,000
2014-15
Crosby's Neal
Hockey Trade?
Patric Hörnqvist
RW/RHS
26
Nashville
In Contention
$3,083,333
2012-13
Crosby's Net-Front Screen
Pending RFA
Nino Niederreiter
RW/LHS
20
NY Islanders
In Contention
$2,795,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Katie Strang Report
Radim Vrbata
RW/RHS
31
Phoenix
In Contention
$3,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Sniper
Hockey Trade?
Ryane Clowe
LW/LHS
30
San Jose
In Contention
$3,625,000
2012-13
Crosby's Kunitz
Pending UFA
Chris Stewart
RW/RHS
25
St. Louis
In Contention
$3,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Neal
Little Hope, RFA, Hockey Trade?
Ryan Malone
LW/LHS
33
Tampa Bay
In Contention
$4,500,000
2014-15
Overpaid Veteran
Clarke MacArthur
LW/LHS
27
Toronto
In Contention
$3,250,000
2012-13
Crosby's Big Chief
Underwhelming Performance, UFA
Николай Кулёмин
LW/LHS
26
Toronto
In Contention
$2,800,000
2013-14
Malkin's BFF
Underwhelming Performance
Blake Wheeler
RW/RHS
26
Winnipeg
In Contention
$2,550,000
2012-13
Crosby's Tyger
Little Hope, Pending RFA


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02-03-2013, 10:32 PM
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I don't think Ryan or Perry will be options unless they simply don't want to play in Anaheim anymore. Selanne will probably retire (keyword 'probably') and they cannot afford to lose any offense. Unless one of them wants out they'll pay them whatever to keep them.

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02-03-2013, 10:35 PM
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thread title comes from DeLillo's White Noise
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The American mystery deepens.
-added Peter Mueller and Curtis Glencross.
-might be time to take Vanek's name off the board. he's been off to a red-hot start.
-might consider adding Justin Williams and/or Simon Gagné if LA keeps stringing together losses.
-might have to drop Brian Gionta if the Habs keep up their strong play.


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Is Nino Niederreiter worthy of Despres, 1 for 1 swap?

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Is Nino Niederreiter worthy of Despres, 1 for 1 swap?
I wouldn't.

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Maybe maata for nino, or a first this year for a more advanced prospect that could help our winger situation in the near term.

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We could really try and make a run at ryder. He is a pretty great shooter that would be a pleasure to watch on the Crosby wing. Is be willing to trade a significant couple of pieces for him.

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We could really try and make a run at ryder. He is a pretty great shooter that would be a pleasure to watch on the Crosby wing. Is be willing to trade a significant couple of pieces for him.
I'd rather someone who could skate better. Ryder isn't bad by any means, but I'd rather give up those assets on someone who's younger than 32.

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If we could get Ryder for a first and Samuelson, do you do it? I would

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If we could get Ryder for a first and Samuelson, do you do it? I would
That's an absurd overpayment.

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The guy scored 35 goals last year, has had three 30+ goal season and is still 32. The first will probably be late and Samuelson is a mid prospect. I think it its fair value

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Samuelson is a fine middling prospect to include for a rental.

The draft is considered very deep this season. I don't think teams will part with their 1st unless it's for an elite player.

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I'm not real sure what is up with Nino Niederreiter in New York, but I would probably give up a 1st round pick for him. I very highly doubt he goes from being in the upper echelon in his draft class to being a complete bum in a matter of 1 NHL season.

Giving up a 1st would be 2 fold. We'd be getting a prospect who is probably a lot better than we'd otherwise get, and...at least we can say we used a 1st round pick on a winger.

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The guy scored 35 goals last year, has had three 30+ goal season and is still 32. The first will probably be late and Samuelson is a mid prospect. I think it its fair value
The problem is, he's below average in every other facet of the game.

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I have no issue including Samuelsson in a deal for Ryder...but a 1st is over the top. The guy has one of the best shots in the league...and little else. For a rental of his caliber in his 30s you don't give up a 1st + a former 2nd rounder/middling prospect, especially not in a draft this deep.


I can see our 1st being moved this year...but it would have to be in a deal for Iginla or a player of that more elite set. Ryder should be had for a proposal closer to the lines of a 2nd + Samuelsson...I normally would say that's overpayment from him (I'd stick his value on a UFA season firmly at a 2nd rounder usually, since he'd almost certainly test the UFA waters), but rentals will have a higher price than usual this year.

I'd still probably balk at that unless all other options are lost. I've just never liked anything about that guy's game except for his shot and his jersey number. I'd rather go all-in for Iginla (still not at the offers that some of our guys have been suggesting...one of the top defensive prospects, one of the middling prospects (D'Agostino range), our 1st, and one of Tangradi/Jeffrey/Boychuk should do it nicely even in a seller's market) than throw away assets for one-dimensional guys that aren't going to re-sign next year. At least with Iginla we'd have a very highly probability of re-signing him.


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So how about a conditional first. Its a first if he signs and a second if not?

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So how about a conditional first. Its a first if he signs and a second if not?
I highly doubt Dallas is interested in acquiring picks for 2014 for him.

The draft will occur before free agency begins, so conditional picks like that don't really work with this year's draft.

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Ryder has to come at the right price for me to want him either through trade or UFA when the time comes. I'm just not crazy enough about him to want to trade a 1st to get him. I'd re-sign with Dallas if I were him (assuming the money is close). He's really fit in well down there.

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Is Nino Niederreiter worthy of Despres, 1 for 1 swap?
I would go Rattie or Ritchie before Nino. I could see the Pens liking Nino though. He plays that active game.

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Id offer Maatta before offering his that's first. We'll regret dealing our first in this years draft... Mark it down.

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Iginla is more than Guerin.

That being said:

Perry Watch 2013.


... as a UFA.

Calgary would demand a king's ransom for Iginla.

I don't think Anaheim will trade Perry.

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Ryder has to come at the right price for me to want him either through trade or UFA when the time comes. I'm just not crazy enough about him to want to trade a 1st to get him. I'd re-sign with Dallas if I were him (assuming the money is close). He's really fit in well down there.
I have been saying this for a while: Ryder is the absolute best player the Pens should target. He is everything they need at a price they can pay. He will not take much to acquire relative to his skill level and he is worth signing to a 3-4 year deal. Pens need another raw scoring threat with all of their elite play makers.

Consolation prize is Macarthur, or Seto.

If the Pens can acquire him (Ryder) for Little Ulfy and Morrow; Do it. I would not flip a draft pick this year. Pens need to offload D prospects and Sammuelson has to be moved IMO. This move makes a ton of sense in eliminating the log jam. I am having less and less confidence in Morrow being a solid 2 way D man too. He is starting to become Jack Johnson 2.0 with less scoring.

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I have been saying this for a while: Ryder is the absolute best player the Pens should target. He is everything they need at a price they can pay. He will not take much to acquire relative to his skill level and he is worth signing to a 3-4 year deal. Pens need another raw scoring threat with all of their elite play makers.

Consolation prize is Macarthur, or Seto.

If the Pens can acquire him (Ryder) for Little Ulfy and Morrow; Do it. I would not flip a draft pick this year. Pens need to offload D prospects and Sammuelson has to be moved IMO. This move makes a ton of sense in eliminating the log jam. I am having less and less confidence in Morrow being a solid 2 way D man too. He is starting to become Jack Johnson 2.0 with less scoring.
Morrow? For a Rental? And a Rental not named Iginla or Perry? No thanks.

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Ryder makes sense especially if the Stars keep playing like this. I'd even bring back Jagr at this point

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Morrow? For a Rental? And a Rental not named Iginla or Perry? No thanks.
There is zero chance the Pens could afford either Igilna or Perry after this year. Ryder is better than Igilna (now) and much cheaper than Perry. Just because a player is a pending UFA, doesn't mean the Pens can't sign him prior to that. Ryder is not just a rental, but a potential long term solution at wing. They can afford 3.5-3.75 mil for an underrated top 6 winger.

Pens can't go after "just a rental", that "rental" needs to have the potential of more years (at a reasonable salary) with the Pens. Do you not think Ryder wouldn't love to play in a city where hockey is relevant and he is going to be centered by either the best player in the world or the 2nd best?

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No way in hell am I dealing Morrow for Ryder. What drugs are you on and can I get some?

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