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02-07-2013, 11:37 AM
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I'm not sure if it immediately makes them better.

We're talking about a team that finished in the bottom 1/3 of the league last year. Kessel's an upgrade over ROR, but its not so massive that it makes them a playoff team.

I think that 1st would still be a top 15 pick.
Exactly. Look at their defence. Kessel isnt going to help that. Help with the scoring, but...

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Well i know your reliable ( dreger is too) but your easier to get info out of......

Keep me/us updated
I feel like a cheap hooker!

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Dreger said Nonis is looking for a very good young defenseman or forward plus a high pick.
so Siemens, ROR, 1st?

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Your the first one i thought of cuz i know non of the "eperts" never answer my questions on twitter

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so Siemens, ROR, 1st?
He said either a dmen or a forward....i think thats too much.....with a pick in the top 10 (prob) i think ror + 1st would be a good return

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Exactly. Look at their defence. Kessel isnt going to help that. Help with the scoring, but...
My point was that Phil Kessel scoring at a PPG clip could win Colorado an extra few games.

Potentially dropping the pick an extra slot or two, but nothing "significant" in terms of difference.

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02-07-2013, 11:44 AM
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Kessel to Washington for Carlson + 1st

Phaneuf + Franson to Avalanche for RoR + 1st

Now the Leafs have 3 top 10 picks including there's plus Carlson and o'rielly! Perfect!

/sarcasm

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If Minny is in the mix.. Brodin, Coyle, 1st for Kessel and I would be quite happy

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My point was that Phil Kessel scoring at a PPG clip could win Colorado an extra few games.

Potentially dropping the pick an extra slot or two, but nothing "significant" in terms of difference.
It could possibly, yes. But still would be looking at 2 top 8 picks. I dont see the Avs moving out of the bottom 10 even with Kessel. Core is too young and goaltending is still growing. 2 top 8 picks in this draft would turn us around BIG time. Especially since its looking like we'll likely end up bottom 5 again. Could possibly pick up 2 top center prospects to add on to O'Reilly and our depth problems are solved.

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Ok thanks for the headsup. Is Kessel for ROR + 1st an offer you'd like to see, or do you have a lets call it hunch if that is what the Leafs would be asking for or is it 'gulp' what the Avs could be offering?

I don't think you would find any Avs fan happy with this deal when it is made. If Kessel scores a few who knows. Still think it will be a franchise ruining moment if it happens.

And you should get a lottery pick in return for Kessel.
But looking at this draft and me being a homer, I normally would not deal ROR for anything short of a Top 4 pick in this draft.

And two possible top 5 picks for one year of Kessel would kill my interest in the Avs basically.
We are going nowhere under this coach and our management is too stubborn/greedy to fire him for 2 years and counting.
If they panic trade before firing Sacco I might as well jump on the Leafs bandwagon together with ROR. And yeah saying that hurt pretty bad.

Edit: I could see something happening around ROR (+) for Kessel.
But The first should and hopefully would kill any deal instantly. We are in the same boat as you guys. We can't really afford to trade it.
I don't see that happening either, but...

What I could see happen is that Kessel gets packaged with Bozak. Both have developed a good friendship and Bozak still visits the Denver area a lot.

Bozak would soften the blow of losing ROR, while they get to add a top line winger. I think Bozak would love to play in Colorado where he played his college years, and Kessel would probably love it too.

The only problem here is that Bozak needs to be re-signed before July 1st, and Kessel before the summer of 2014.

In any case, Colorado isn't in the business of making a huge change to their core. As much as ROR has been a pain to get re-signed and perhaps causing some tension there, they would probably prefer to go another route if they were to trade him. They also all ready traded their top pick in 2012 for Varlamov, which wasn't overly bad, but trading 2 top 15 picks in 2 years is Leaf material in terms of handling their cupboards.


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Kessel to Washington for Carlson + 1st

Phaneuf + Franson to Avalanche for RoR + 1st

Now the Leafs have 3 top 10 picks including there's plus Carlson and o'rielly! Perfect!

/sarcasm
I was thinking about the Washington deal, but Forsberg instead of the pick. But not sarcastically.

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02-07-2013, 11:51 AM
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Kessel to Washington for Carlson + 1st

Phaneuf + Franson to Avalanche for RoR + 1st

Now the Leafs have 3 top 10 picks including there's plus Carlson and o'rielly! Perfect!

/sarcasm
As of right now, Washingtons 1st is untouchable. They are last place in the league...

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If Minny is in the mix.. Brodin, Coyle, 1st for Kessel and I would be quite happy
At this point they don't have the cap room to complete a deal of that sort for Kessel.

They absolutely have the "pieces", but would have to dump some cap on the Leafs in return.

They'll certainly be in the mix tho.

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This Kessel scenario is going to be interesting to say the least.

Phil has enjoyed his time in Toronto but it was clear when Nonis took over that he was no longer in a position where he felt "untouchable".

Teams that are expected to call and at least kick tires are rumoured to be the likes of; Colorado, Los Angeles, Columbus, Detroit, Calgary and Anaheim.

IF Nonis were to move him, you can be assured that it would be preferred to a Western Conference team, but that wont stop teams like Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Washington from taking a run at Phil as well.
Calgary?!

With all the comparisons to the post-'05 lockout Leafs over the past few years, trading futures for Kessel would just be too perfect.

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At this point they don't have the cap room to complete a deal of that sort for Kessel.

They absolutely have the "pieces", but would have to dump some cap on the Leafs in return.

They'll certainly be in the mix tho.
Backstrom with Reimer or Scrivens going the other way
pick isn't as good as say Col but its an asset ... and deep draft

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At this point they don't have the cap room to complete a deal of that sort for Kessel.

They absolutely have the "pieces", but would have to dump some cap on the Leafs in return.

They'll certainly be in the mix tho.
But if the Leafs keep most of his salary (in return for another pick) could it not work then?

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I have a feeling ROR is getting overrated here.

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At this point they don't have the cap room to complete a deal of that sort for Kessel.

They absolutely have the "pieces", but would have to dump some cap on the Leafs in return.

They'll certainly be in the mix tho.
Always enjoy your insight, Chuck - thanks.

Wonder when we'll see our first move... I think Nonis said not too long ago that after the 10 game mark he'll start making decisions and moves were expected.

In your opinion what moves do you see happening first? Starting with small pieces like Kostka, Holzer, Franson or Fraser, or larger pieces like Macarthur, Kule, Gunnar, etc? Will Nonis tinker or go for a bold statement early?

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I have a feeling ROR is getting overrated here.
Have you seen him play? What's his game like?

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Yeah but ROR has 6 years left of club control. Plus you factor in the 1st rounder. Colorado's giving up 6 years of ROR and potentially 10 years of a first round pick for 100 games of Phil Kessel.

That would be an even better haul than a 21 year old Kessel got from Boston and that was with the extension. That would be a franchise crippling trade if Kessel decides to go to the highest bidder after next year. Because even with Kessel, Colorado isn't a contender.



That's still pretty brutal for Colorado.

It's not like there would be an issue negotiating an extension. Kessel did it once before when he came here.

They can't cripple their franchise for one year of Kessel. They're not contenders even with Kessel.

That is a nice summation as to why the Avs would never make this proposed deal.

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That is a nice summation as to why the Avs would never make this proposed deal.
There's Avs and Leaf fans, and then there's managment.

To completely separate entities.

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There's Avs and Leaf fans, and then there's managment.

To completely separate entities.
This is true.

We're talking about the same GM that gave up a top 10 pick for Varlamov

Its all speculation either way.

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I'd like to think i have a pretty good "feel" for a players worth around the league.

I did call a Colb +1rst for kabber before it happened. Not that i said it would happen but thats what i thought would be the return IF it did happen.

But man o man, I'm having an impossible time trying to gauge PKs worth out there.

I understand folks reservations about the pending UFA status but i also understand that the team that holds his rites have the 8th year option and that holds some real value.

Then i sit back and ask myself, what IF Getz/Perry hit the open market.

What would this team look like IF Lups/Kessel was our 2nd unit and Getz/Perry was the #1. Now the spot lite is off Kessel and also the top forward and D units.

UHHGG, I just don't know.

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This is true.

We're talking about the same GM that gave up a top 10 pick for Varlamov

Its all speculation either way.
I agree with Chuck that GM s are different than fans.

But we gave up the 11th pick and Avs fans love how this trade turned out.

I hated it when it was made but Sherman got lucky on this one.

99 % of Avs fans would do this deal 10 times out of 10.

Varly is a very good goalie.
And Forsberg slid to #11. I like Forsberg but we will see.
Still don't think that Varlamov for #11 is bad.

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