All the GM's/FO's are in the business of hoarding hockey talent. Some are obviously better at it than others.
Also I think Carlyle & his love affair with enforcers is going to cost the team. In a shortened season like this one, a 4th line that can play is even more of an asset. A decent 4th line can really help your quality players get more rest & have more energy during the busy times in the schedule.
Yeah, what we really need to be doing to become a tougher team to play against isn't so much to put a team together with a Bozak and MacArthur nominally protected by a McLaren or Orr, but to actually turn a Bozak into a Rich Peverley and a Clarke MacArthur into a Nathan Horton. A lot of our smurfier players are okay in their own right, but too much of them without other ingredients just makes a tissue soft team.
Most of whom you named are still prospects.....I dont see how you can say they are poor choices.
Because of their performance? Broll, Devane, Blacker, Ryan? Most of these guys are so far off the radar they're going to have to work hard just to be a career AHLer let alone a Toronto Maple Leaf, let alone a Toronto Maple Leaf that can make a difference.
Because of their performance? Broll, Devane, Blacker, Ryan? Most of these guys are so far off the radar they're going to have to work hard just to be a career AHLer let alone a Toronto Maple Leaf, let alone a Toronto Maple Leaf that can make a difference.
Most prospects never make the NHL. The Leafs arent any different then any other team in this regard. Our problem traditionally is that we trade them away before they develop.
We're just now seeing the cream of JFJ's selections rise up (Kulie, Frattin, Reimer). Its going to be a while before Burkes do.
With Kadri,Frattin(JFJ's pick) and Gardiner on the big club our prospect pool looks really thin.What is he hoarding? He can't make a Blue Jay trade,after 4 years of no playoffs,the cupboard is bare.
Kulemin to Pittsburgh rumours are starting. Pitt scouts spotted watching Leafs play. Apparently Burke turned down a first round pick last year for Kulemin. That pick ended up being Olli Matta of the London Knights.
If Nonis is a hoarder, then why did he get rid of Lombardi and send Connolly to the minors just putting him on waivers in the process (not his fault no one claimed him).
With Kadri,Frattin(JFJ's pick) and Gardiner on the big club our prospect pool looks really thin.What is he hoarding? He can't make a Blue Jay trade,after 4 years of no playoffs,the cupboard is bare.
Obviously you have not read the entire thread nor has the majority of the people who also brought in Kadri, Frattin and anybody with talent. This is about adding another goon to TO.
I also feel that Nonis was righting a wrong that he felt BB made with Connolly and Lombardi, which is good, but he then signs a chronic injury prone player after a career year to an expensive long term contract and for a GM preaching patience seems to me patience would have been more prudent. TO already had 3 1 dimmentional enforcer type of players yet Nonis felt compelled to pick up the same type of player from the waiver wire. To me these actions are ill advised so I personally feel so far he only warrants a C-.
I find it interesting that in forums people that embrace patience as Nonis's mantra are also calling for the trading of the few productive veterans that TO has. Smacks of impatience to me. Nonis already knows the strength and weaknesses of TO and any glacial improvement plan he might be considering will not be tolerated in the TO market unless it's the Edmonton or Pittsburg model. I'm not prepared to endure another 5 or 6 year rebuild so while openning roster spots for Kadri and Frattin is good our greatest needs are defense and goal. Until he directs his activities towards dealing with real problems rather than stocking up on goons, he is a hoarder.
Obviously you have not read the entire thread nor has the majority of the people who also brought in Kadri, Frattin and anybody with talent. This is about adding another goon to TO.
I also feel that Nonis was righting a wrong that he felt BB made with Connolly and Lombardi, which is good, but he then signs a chronic injury prone player after a career year to an expensive long term contract and for a GM preaching patience seems to me patience would have been more prudent. TO already had 3 1 dimmentional enforcer type of players yet Nonis felt compelled to pick up the same type of player from the waiver wire. To me these actions are ill advised so I personally feel so far he only warrants a C-.
I find it interesting that in forums people that embrace patience as Nonis's mantra are also calling for the trading of the few productive veterans that TO has. Smacks of impatience to me. Nonis already knows the strength and weaknesses of TO and any glacial improvement plan he might be considering will not be tolerated in the TO market unless it's the Edmonton or Pittsburg model. I'm not prepared to endure another 5 or 6 year rebuild so while openning roster spots for Kadri and Frattin is good our greatest needs are defense and goal. Until he directs his activities towards dealing with real problems rather than stocking up on goons, he is a hoarder.
Excellent points. The McClarren signing is pointless, apparently the Leafs thought he could skate a little bit too. This sounds like someone is stuck in the 80's. I realize high end talent is hard to get but this signing was not needed. 3 enforcers are more than enough. Id prefer having an Aulie to fight when needed and Id keep Brown as the only enforcer as he has good speed to forecheck but really limited skill.
The stock piling of mid to low end Defenseman is also puzzling.
Nonis I hope makes a splash soon I.e. Kulemin or MacArthur or even Dion
Kulemin to Pittsburgh rumours are starting. Pitt scouts spotted watching Leafs play. Apparently Burke turned down a first round pick last year for Kulemin. That pick ended up being Olli Matta of the London Knights.
Could be anyone. Natural fit given his and Malkin's history, but what's the offer that makes sense?
Hopefully it's MacArthur. What the right yield is -- who knows? A 2nd and a 4th?
Kulemin to Pittsburgh rumours are starting. Pitt scouts spotted watching Leafs play. Apparently Burke turned down a first round pick last year for Kulemin. That pick ended up being Olli Matta of the London Knights.
You've got things messed up, the rumour is Malkin to Toronto
Outside of Gardiner I don't think any Marlie is prepared to make a true contribution to the Leafs so moving Leaf veterans would only make sense if it addressed a Leaf need. Trading veterans for draft choices would be very counter productive, it's hard enough to accumulate talent why would any team rid themselves of proven players for the unknown.
I think Nonis had a larger role in TO's accumulating the players that are on the roster so I would think it will be very difficult for him to move those players. I believe it's very hard for managers to not get attached to the players that they brought to the team which is demonstrated by BB's rapid turnover of the Leaf roster but hesitance in upgrading his acquisitions. I believe Nonis's impute resulted in TO acquiring Phanny and Mac so I'd be surprised if either is ever moved.
Obviously you have not read the entire thread nor has the majority of the people who also brought in Kadri, Frattin and anybody with talent. This is about adding another goon to TO.
I also feel that Nonis was righting a wrong that he felt BB made with Connolly and Lombardi, which is good, but he then signs a chronic injury prone player after a career year to an expensive long term contract and for a GM preaching patience seems to me patience would have been more prudent. TO already had 3 1 dimmentional enforcer type of players yet Nonis felt compelled to pick up the same type of player from the waiver wire. To me these actions are ill advised so I personally feel so far he only warrants a C-.
I find it interesting that in forums people that embrace patience as Nonis's mantra are also calling for the trading of the few productive veterans that TO has. Smacks of impatience to me. Nonis already knows the strength and weaknesses of TO and any glacial improvement plan he might be considering will not be tolerated in the TO market unless it's the Edmonton or Pittsburg model. I'm not prepared to endure another 5 or 6 year rebuild so while openning roster spots for Kadri and Frattin is good our greatest needs are defense and goal. Until he directs his activities towards dealing with real problems rather than stocking up on goons, he is a hoarder.
You crack me up.....did he trade for McLaren, did we give anything up to get him....
It cost us nothing. When we signed Connelly and traded for Lombardi they took up roster spots that could have been used to bring in Kadri or Frattin. Right now we do not have any players in the minors read to step in.....other than Gardiner when he is healthy.
Addressing needs does not happen overnight and right now there would not be many trading partners as teams are still assessing and waiting to see just where they are.
I will wait to see just what Nonis does over a much longer period of time before I give him a grade or form an opinion.
Outside of Gardiner I don't think any Marlie is prepared to make a true contribution to the Leafs so moving Leaf veterans would only make sense if it addressed a Leaf need. Trading veterans for draft choices would be very counter productive, it's hard enough to accumulate talent why would any team rid themselves of proven players for the unknown.
I think Nonis had a larger role in TO's accumulating the players that are on the roster so I would think it will be very difficult for him to move those players. I believe it's very hard for managers to not get attached to the players that they brought to the team which is demonstrated by BB's rapid turnover of the Leaf roster but hesitance in upgrading his acquisitions. I believe Nonis's impute resulted in TO acquiring Phanny and Mac so I'd be surprised if either is ever moved.
This does not hold water....Connelly and Lombardi sent away.....he was here when they were acquired. Nonis has not went out in the media flapping his gums like Burke did....Nonis has no reason not to trade any Leaf and in fact stated that he would.
This does not hold water....Connelly and Lombardi sent away.....he was here when they were acquired. Nonis has not went out in the media flapping his gums like Burke did....Nonis has no reason not to trade any Leaf and in fact stated that he would.
Nonis flaps his gums just in a different way so far he's preaching patience to a market starving for success and he's attempting to distance himself from BB by saying he's not BB and he's prepared to deal any Leaf to improve the team. These are meaningless words until he does something other than hoarding goons.
It is widely known that Nonis did not support the Connolly signing so that is why it was so easy for him to banish Connolly to the AHL. He does not own the Connolly mistake unlike BB who had him play at the expense of developing players who may have added more to TO. Lombardi was a vehicle to acquire Franson so he was also easy to jettison.
I believe Nonis was the driving force behind the JVR acquisition but not really involved in the Komo signing.
Although McLaren came at bargain price he stilll wastes cap space and I prefer for the time being for TO to promote from within and perhaps promote players who could offer more than McLaren will ever offer. For me this could be Hamilton, a character player with lots to offer while McLaren only offers 1 thing.
It is widely known that Nonis did not support the Connolly signing so that is why it was so easy for him to banish Connolly to the AHL. He does not own the Connolly mistake unlike BB who had him play at the expense of developing players who may have added more to TO. Lombardi was a vehicle to acquire Franson so he was also easy to jettison.
Oh is it now?
And how exactly is it widely known?
Did the assistant GM come out publicly say that he didn't like the move his then-boss made?
Or did the current GM come out and say that he didn't like the contract of a player still employed by the team??
Stop talking crap.
Also - just what young players were you talking about, that Connolly was taking the place of? The whole reason behind the 2 year contract for Connolly was so that he could be a stop-gap measure until some of the younger players in the system were ready. Namely Kadri and Colborne.
Last year Colborne was no where near close to the NHL, and Kadri was still having issues away from the puck.
So let's not pretend that Connolly coming was preventing the next Sidney Crosby from getting into the lineup, because we know that's not the case.
I think there are unique challenges when it comes to managing a team in a shortened season. Right across the league, it looks like everyone's major concern right now is depth. Have a look at some of the trades that have happened over the past 48 hours. Depth moves.
Players will get injured, and to me I think Nonis is just ensuring that we are covered.
We have a number of healthy blue liners able to play.
Once Lupul returns, there is likely going to be one too many top-6 forwards on the team.
With the addition of a McLaren, or the calling up of a Hamilton, we've got bottom line guys that can step in and provide something different.
Remind me again why this is a bad thing, and worth criticizing Nonis for?
Nonis flaps his gums just in a different way so far he's preaching patience to a market starving for success and he's attempting to distance himself from BB by saying he's not BB and he's prepared to deal any Leaf to improve the team. These are meaningless words until he does something other than hoarding goons.
It is widely known that Nonis did not support the Connolly signing so that is why it was so easy for him to banish Connolly to the AHL. He does not own the Connolly mistake unlike BB who had him play at the expense of developing players who may have added more to TO. Lombardi was a vehicle to acquire Franson so he was also easy to jettison.
I believe Nonis was the driving force behind the JVR acquisition but not really involved in the Komo signing.
Although McLaren came at bargain price he stilll wastes cap space and I prefer for the time being for TO to promote from within and perhaps promote players who could offer more than McLaren will ever offer. For me this could be Hamilton, a character player with lots to offer while McLaren only offers 1 thing.
Just say no to hoarding!!
McLaren is not costing us cap space as he is filling in for injured players.....so no net loss on cap space.
I think there are unique challenges when it comes to managing a team in a shortened season. Right across the league, it looks like everyone's major concern right now is depth. Have a look at some of the trades that have happened over the past 48 hours. Depth moves.
Players will get injured, and to me I think Nonis is just ensuring that we are covered.
We have a number of healthy blue liners able to play.
Once Lupul returns, there is likely going to be one too many top-6 forwards on the team.
With the addition of a McLaren, or the calling up of a Hamilton, we've got bottom line guys that can step in and provide something different.
Remind me again why this is a bad thing, and worth criticizing Nonis for?
There are unique challenges to being a GM but I don't think augmenting a goon squad represents a move that meets the challenge.
TO's defense screams AHL to me not healthy NHL quality, do you really think that TO has an abundance of top 6 players even an over abundance.
I think that TO can live with the forwards it has now but the defense needs addressing now. Phanny, Liles and the AHL boys is what TO can proudly call it's defense right now and unfortunately not one was considered exceptional, no AHL all-stars in this group. Even more troubling is that Kostka, a career minor leaguer, is eating up 25 minutes plus and looking better than Liles one of the only 2 healthy supposed NHL d-men that TO has. Defense needs to be addressed in both the depth and quality areas and I'm surprised that so many Leaf fans are pleased that Nonis is all over some whimsical need to make sure our goon squad is properly manned.
I'm a fan of Hockey Central and have heard the panel often discuss the merits or lack there of of the Connolly signing so I do not have a signed and witnessed document to substantiate Nonis's disdain of BB's signing but when it does come up in their conversations, they do acknowledge the widely known notion that Nonis did not agree about this signing.
I've been known to appreciate a moderate amount of junk in the trunk on the right lady but I do not condone my Leafs accumulating more junk when there's other obvious needs.
Hoarding? What a joke. The OP has come up with something he/she considers a new term and has now mentioned it in about 10 posts. Quit hoarding the hoarding concept [besides the fact its an asinine theory].
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Originally Posted by Frank Stallone
I'm confident Nonis will be all over Getzlaf, Perry and Thornton when they're on waivers
Thing about waivers is that the teams below you in the standings get a shot at them first and right now there are 15 teams below us. Alas one of those teams will probably take a crack at all three of those players before we get the chance to. Oh the woes of being a Leaf fan.
Kulemin to Pittsburgh rumours are starting. Pitt scouts spotted watching Leafs play. Apparently Burke turned down a first round pick last year for Kulemin. That pick ended up being Olli Matta of the London Knights.
lmfao.....
