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06-29-2016, 10:48 AM
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Roster Speculation Part XXI: Stupid Money Season... The Return!

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How many UFA years does a 6-year contract for Risto buy?

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How many UFA years does a 6-year contract for Risto buy?
I believe one. With Jones his 6-year contract bought 2. Hence poster Heraldic remarked that RR cap hit should be less than Jones for comparable term with a comparable player, buying fewer UFA years.

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06-29-2016, 11:07 AM
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Dream offseason:
1) Offersheet Lindholm
2) Sign Lovejoy and Wiercioch
3) Sign Dale Weise and Vesey
4) Sign two elite 4th liners (X/Y)
5) Sign a competent backup goalie (Z)

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For the expansion fanatics, I would protect: ROR, Girgensons, Larsson, Kane, Risto, Lindholm, Kulikov if we re-sign him, Bogosian if he has a good year or if we have to due to NMC, and McCabe if not one of the previous 2

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Why demote McCabe to 4th LD option, and/or move him to no better than 3rd pairing RD?

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Why demote McCabe to 4th LD option, and/or move him to no better than 3rd pairing RD?
I actually expect that by mid-season he would firmly take the job from Georges. And if he can't... well, that's why.

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I wonder if the possibility for an offer-sheet goes up now that Jones' contract is so reasonable.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but am I the only one that would really like to see someone like Nash or Vanek on Eichel's wing?? I would like a proven goal scorer and both these guys had down years last year but with Eichel they could easily get back to form. I am so sick of seeing bums like Kane miss wide open nets.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but am I the only one that would really like to see someone like Nash or Vanek on Eichel's wing?? I would like a proven goal scorer and both these guys had down years last year but with Eichel they could easily get back to form. I am so sick of seeing bums like Kane miss wide open nets.
Nash yes, Vanek no.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but am I the only one that would really like to see someone like Nash or Vanek on Eichel's wing?? I would like a proven goal scorer and both these guys had down years last year but with Eichel they could easily get back to form. I am so sick of seeing bums like Kane miss wide open nets.
Nash yes, Vanek... NO.

Having said that, I want to stay the course and keep our $12 million CAP space for John Tavares next year. He is a better option than Stamkos.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but am I the only one that would really like to see someone like Nash or Vanek on Eichel's wing?? I would like a proven goal scorer and both these guys had down years last year but with Eichel they could easily get back to form. I am so sick of seeing bums like Kane miss wide open nets.
Just put Nylander there in 2017?

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6 year would buy 2 ufa years for ristolainen. You get 3 ELC years and he's an rfa for 4 more. Coming off the ELC he has 4 rfa years.

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Just put Nylander there in 2017?
That's why you sign a Nash. Give you a couple year buffer to get Nylander ready.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but am I the only one that would really like to see someone like Nash or Vanek on Eichel's wing?? I would like a proven goal scorer and both these guys had down years last year but with Eichel they could easily get back to form. I am so sick of seeing bums like Kane miss wide open nets.
Vanek has a lower goals/game than Kane over the last three seasons. He's worse defensively. He's non-existent on the forecheck while Kane is one of the top forecheckers and puck retrievers in the league. Vanek can't PK. Vanek brings no element of physicality to the game. Vanek has a terrible on-ice work ethic outside of a 20-foot radius around the net. Vanek is older. And you can apply the biggest knock on Kane ("he doesn't make his teammates better" - other than chasing down pucks for them, of course) can be equally applied to Vanek. But other than those factors, yeah, totally, Vanek > Kane.

The only thing you can say about Vanek in terms of on-ice factors is that he's less injury prone than Kane. Which is entirely unsurprising given how little effort Vanek expends most of the time.

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06-29-2016, 11:40 AM
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Wiercoch/Franson

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For the expansion fanatics, I would protect: ROR, Girgensons, Larsson, Kane, Risto, Lindholm, Kulikov if we re-sign him, Bogosian if he has a good year or if we have to due to NMC, and McCabe if not one of the previous 2
Very yes.

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Vanek has a lower goals/game than Kane over the last three seasons. He's worse defensively. He's non-existent on the forecheck while Kane is one of the top forecheckers and puck retrievers in the league. Vanek can't PK. Vanek brings no element of physicality to the game. Vanek has a terrible on-ice work ethic outside of a 20-foot radius around the net. Vanek is older. And you can apply the biggest knock on Kane ("he doesn't make his teammates better" - other than chasing down pucks for them, of course) can be equally applied to Vanek. But other than those factors, yeah, totally, Vanek > Kane.

The only thing you can say about Vanek in terms of on-ice factors is that he's less injury prone than Kane. Which is entirely unsurprising given how little effort Vanek expends most of the time.


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I want nothing to do with Nash or Vanek anywhere near this roster.

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Vanek has a lower goals/game than Kane over the last three seasons. He's worse defensively. He's non-existent on the forecheck while Kane is one of the top forecheckers and puck retrievers in the league. Vanek can't PK. Vanek brings no element of physicality to the game. Vanek has a terrible on-ice work ethic outside of a 20-foot radius around the net. Vanek is older. And you can apply the biggest knock on Kane ("he doesn't make his teammates better" - other than chasing down pucks for them, of course) can be equally applied to Vanek. But other than those factors, yeah, totally, Vanek > Kane.

The only thing you can say about Vanek in terms of on-ice factors is that he's less injury prone than Kane. Which is entirely unsurprising given how little effort Vanek expends most of the time.
well, Vanek can score in the shootout. So, there's that...

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Vanek has a lower goals/game than Kane over the last three seasons. He's worse defensively. He's non-existent on the forecheck while Kane is one of the top forecheckers and puck retrievers in the league. Vanek can't PK. Vanek brings no element of physicality to the game. Vanek has a terrible on-ice work ethic outside of a 20-foot radius around the net. Vanek is older. And you can apply the biggest knock on Kane ("he doesn't make his teammates better" - other than chasing down pucks for them, of course) can be equally applied to Vanek. But other than those factors, yeah, totally, Vanek > Kane.

The only thing you can say about Vanek in terms of on-ice factors is that he's less injury prone than Kane. Which is entirely unsurprising given how little effort Vanek expends most of the time.
Facts have no place here sir!

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I want nothing to do with Nash or Vanek anywhere near this roster.
Why wouldn't you want Nash on a short-term deal?

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well, Vanek can score in the shootout. So, there's that...
Yeah but so can Kotalik. And he's probably cheaper.

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How many UFA years does a 6-year contract for Risto buy?
7 yrs to UFA, ELC is 3 do 6 yrs me and 2 UFA yrs. As it was reported jones has some sort of NTC/NMC that kicks in the last 2 yrs.

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To be fair...Vanek is 6 yrs older than Kane. Compare Vanek at 24 vs kane at 24.

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Why wouldn't you want Nash on a short-term deal?
Takes far too many shifts/games off, not the type of veteran presence I want guiding the youth on our team. If that wasn't the case, I'd be more willing to accept the size of his cap hit vs actual contribution, but I'm not willing to pay him a ton of money (more real money than actual cap hit...that's pretty rare but reality with him) to put up a projected 45-50 points *and* teach the kids that it's okay to coast if you're a superstar.

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