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02-06-2013, 05:20 PM
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wait a minute... are you suggesting that Kulemin would be the best winger on this team or are you suggesting Neal should be playing with Crosby instead of Malkin anyway?
I am suggesting Neal as the teams best winger should get a shot with Sid and adding Kuleminmakes that easier

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Sutter is also younger, better defensively and plays a more important position. C > LW

Just my perspective.
I agree that sutter being a centre makes his value higher so kulemin + for sutter would be fair.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2013-nh...0848--nhl.html

"they" have changed their minds and decided this draft isn't as deep as once touted.
From what I have read, this surprises me. Maybe it means teams like the Leafs can get a couple additional 1st round picks easier than initially anticipated.

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I am suggesting Neal as the teams best winger should get a shot with Sid and adding Kuleminmakes that easier
Adding Kulemin doesnt really change anything with Crosby. He would slide into the sport Jeffery, Tangradi & Boychuk have been in.

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According to the article, Burke reportedly turned down a 1st round pick for Kulemin.

I don't know what the Maple Leafs expect in return, I can't imagine anything spectacular like a 1st AND a solid prospect. He's not worth it, IMO.
Yeah honestly screw that.

No wonder Burke is gone. Maybe Nonis has more sense.

If that's the case we can wait until the deadline to see who's selling

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02-06-2013, 05:22 PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2013-nh...0848--nhl.html

"they" have changed their minds and decided this draft isn't as deep as once touted.
Isn't that always the case?

The closer it gets to the draft, the quickly their stance on the draft changes.

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02-06-2013, 05:22 PM
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Deals I would want as a Leafs fan:

Kulemin + Bozak for Sutter + mid pick
Kulemin for one of Morrow/Bennett/Dumoulin + 1st
lol dude what is wrong with you. Bozak is a great 3rd liner

Bozak
NHL Totals 202 43 68 111
Sutter
NHL Totals 296 55 56 111

I wouldn't even do that trade straight up. ppl like pulling stats on hf boards so im doing it too. Bozak is a solid 3rd liner great on faceoffs. Sutter is good but ppl make it sound like he is a all star. come on guys.


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I really can't see the Leafs trading Kulemin until the TDL. If they do decide to move him at the TDL I can guarantee that there will be more teams calling than just Pitts. If Paul Gaustad got a 1st, Kuli will get more.
The only thing I can think of is one of the good D prospects to Toronto and a 1st..maybe more

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Last three seasons kulimen has 121 pts. Sutter has 101 pts.
Sutter and Kulemin are two totally different players. Sutter is a center, Kulemin a winger. Sutter a checker and defensive forward with good offensive instincts, Kulemin a goal-scorer with good defensive abilities.

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Not getting Kulemin, we need every two way winger we can get our hands on.

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Sutter is a shut-down third line center...can we please stop talking about his stats? He wasn't acquired by the Penguins to replicate Staal's offense.

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02-06-2013, 05:25 PM
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haha you think Neal doesn't have any physical presence along the boards? there's no way you actually watched Neal play.
I have nhl center ice i seen him play. He's a good player but you could put patrick sharp and sharp would pop like 50. sharp is a 30 goal guy do you think he would hit 50 with malkin. If neal was on 27 other nhl teams i doubt he hits 40 or even 25. He's good but i always said pens overate there guys hard like when they had J staal and now its Sutter and Neal that you guys overate no offense.

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Then we'll trade you Colton Orr for a 2nd.
Let`s be realistic, you are probably trading us Clarke ************* MacArthur for a 2nd and TFP just made a huge story up about nothing while Kulemin cries into his cheerios.

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According to the article, Burke reportedly turned down a 1st round pick for Kulemin.

I don't know what the Maple Leafs expect in return, I can't imagine anything spectacular like a 1st AND a solid prospect. He's not worth it, IMO.
I think the Leafs and Pens just don't make good trading partners at all.

We have good D prospects, Pens have good D prospects.

The Pens won't trade anything of the roster, and the Leafs can't afford to trade Kulemin, at least not for anything short of overpayment.

The only winger you can acquire from the Leafs is MacArthur..he has had 2 decent years. ~20 goal scorer with the Leaf for about a 2nd pick at trade deadline if the Leafs are out of it.

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lol dude what is wrong with you. Bozak is a great 3rd liner

Bozak
NHL Totals 202 43 68 111
Sutter
NHL Totals 296 55 56 111

I wouldn't even do that trade straight up. ppl like pulling stats on hf boards so im doing it too. Bozak is a solid 3rd liner great on faceoffs. Sutter is good but ppl make it sound like he is a all star. come on guys.
might find that those stats are skewed due to Bozak playing quite a lot of minutes with a certain Phil "The Thrill" Kessel.

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Last three seasons kulimen has 121 pts. Sutter has 101 pts.
Stop embarrassing the rest of us sane leafs fans by making that comparison.

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Paul Martin + 1st + Decent prospect?

That would be assuming the Leafs aren't going into full rebuild but if they are trading Kulemin you would think they are.

I know the Leafs were interested in Martin though.
Martin is garbage and totally useless from a Leaf perspective.

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I think the Leafs and Pens just don't make good trading partners at all.

We have good D prospects, Pens have good D prospects.

The Pens won't trade anything of the roster, and the Leafs can't afford to trade Kulemin, at least not for anything short of overpayment.

The only winger you can acquire from the Leafs is MacArthur..he has had 2 decent years. ~20 goal scorer with the Leaf for about a 2nd pick at trade deadline if the Leafs are out of it.
Yeah i don't want sutter if it cost us Kulemin. Clarke is a 20 goal guy that doesnt fit on our line up now cause of frattin and jrv and with Lupul out he still doesnt fit on our team. Clarke for a 2nd or for kennedy i will do.

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Sutter and Kulemin are two totally different players. Sutter is a center, Kulemin a winger. Sutter a checker and defensive forward with good offensive instincts, Kulemin a goal-scorer with good defensive abilities.

Sutter takes more defensive responsibility then Kule because he is a center and Likely a bit better defensively. But Kulemin is not a "goal scorer" because he is a bit better offensively.

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If I'm Nonis, any conversation involving Kulemin that doesn't begin with a 2013 1st is a non-starter.

1st + Despres/Maatta/Dumoulin?
TBVH, that would be the ballpark i believe DN would entertain.

Lets be honest here it makes more sense for Pit to want Kuli, then is does for TO to want to move him.

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Let`s be realistic, you are probably trading us Clarke ************* MacArthur for a 2nd and TFP just made a huge story up about nothing while Kulemin cries into his cheerios.
Colton Orr for a 2nd was a joke .

Clarke MacArthur is not a bad player...

2 years with 20 goals is suddenly bad now?

He forechecks hard, he's not that good defensively as Kulemin but he's still a goal scorer.

Look at Dupuis before the Pens got him...why can't he be re-signed for 2-3 years on a 3M/year deal with the Pens?

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lol dude what is wrong with you. Bozak is a great 3rd liner

Bozak
NHL Totals 202 43 68 111
Sutter
NHL Totals 296 55 56 111

I wouldn't even do that trade straight up. ppl like pulling stats on hf boards so im doing it too. Bozak is a solid 3rd liner great on faceoffs. Sutter is good but ppl make it sound like he is a all star. come on guys.
Did you just compare point totals of two guys who don't have the same role on their respective clubs? I'd hope Bozak badly out produces Sutter, considering Bozak usually centers the top line with a guy named Kessel, while Sutter plays on the third line with illustrious names such as Matt Cooke and Tyler Kennedy (and he played with similar grinders in Carolina).

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might find that those stats are skewed due to Bozak playing quite a lot of minutes with a certain Phil "The Thrill" Kessel.
Guy is terrible can't even score a goal.

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lol dude what is wrong with you. Bozak is a great 3rd liner

Boazk
NHL Totals 202 43 68 111
Sutter
NHL Totals 296 55 56 111

I wouldn't even do that trade straight up. ppl like pulling stats on hf boards so im doing it too. Bozak is a solid 3rd liner great on faceoffs. Sutter is good but ppl make it sound like he is a all star. come on guys.

I don't care about stats. Bozak is pretty bad other than faceoffs. I'd much rather have a guy who plays amazing defense and can contribute offensively (Sutter).

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might find that those stats are skewed due to Bozak playing quite a lot of minutes with a certain Phil "The Thrill" Kessel.
Phil the guy with zero goals right? the (superstar) how does that help bozak. Tin man played 50 games with him and got like 12 points lol. bozak played around 60 to 80 total games with phil and around 40 to 50 when lupul was healthy. so bascially 40 to 50 games with lupul and phil. Phil needs lupul. If you put sutter with phil do you think he would do any better? i doubt it.

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