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03-10-2013, 04:42 PM
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Ashton disappoints me overall, I mean he does some good things, but at this level he should be producing more. Plenty of time, but he looks a total crapshoot and more than likely we lost that trade when the dust fully settles.

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I look forward to the day we simply beat good teams and don't accept just competing. I suppose it's a process...

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Ashton disappoints me overall, I mean he does some good things, but at this level he should be producing more. Plenty of time, but he looks a total crapshoot and more than likely we lost that trade when the dust fully settles.
He is nhl ready, but not scoring wise
He'll produce, has lots of time

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03-10-2013, 04:46 PM
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gardiner scores his 11th of the season
mckegg has 3 assists
ross now has a goal and 2 assists
2Goals for Ross actually.http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary...ame_id=1010750

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03-10-2013, 04:50 PM
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Players that stood out today to me in no particular order:

Colborne, Ross, Mckegg, Gardiner, Ranger, and Ashton.

Not noticable:

Connolly, Deschamps.

D'amigo was solid on the PK but Ross without playing his agitating game, let his skill talk by directly responsible for 3 Marlies goals. A real postive game by him.

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He is nhl ready, but not scoring wise
He'll produce, has lots of time
Agreed.

He can play a Komarov role, he's bigger and has more upside. Some people expect a kid to be producing right away in the minors. Eakins teams play the polar opposite of Ron Wilson teams. Fans of Ron Wilson think points = everything good without context, these fans don't have the sophistication to understand there is a trade off. Look at Grabo now with a system that requires him to check, he can't crack more than a 1 point at home this season. Kadri only averaged just under a ppg with the Marlies, 26 pts in 27 games. With the Leafs he is 25pts in 26 Games. Very similar, Frattin too.

Under Eakins any points you get will translate similar to the NHL. Not worried about Ashton's totals, he's not going to be a scorer anyways, he will beat you in other ways. Not hard to beat Kulemin's goal totals isn't it, however with Kule he doesn't have Mac to help him anymore, and he is left to fend for himself on the #2 or to some the #3 Line.

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03-10-2013, 05:03 PM
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He is nhl ready, but not scoring wise
He'll produce, has lots of time
Not convinced, consistency is what separates making it pro. Not writing off or on, but certainly not slotting in as a given for the future.

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03-10-2013, 05:05 PM
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Ashton is still really young, too.

It's not like he's 24 or something; he joined the AHL at a pretty young age and was expected to produce right off the bat, and that may have stunted his offensive games growth.

He's had spurts of showing what he can do, hopefully he continues playing a tough game.

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Ashton is still really young, too.

It's not like he's 24 or something; he joined the AHL at a pretty young age and was expected to produce right off the bat, and that may have stunted his offensive games growth.

He's had spurts of showing what he can do, hopefully he continues playing a tough game.
This forum does have a tendency to give up on our young players too soon, ie. Kadri. How did that turn out, you are correct he is still very young, nothing wrong with Carter's development.

Ashton's playing well, doing the right things the Leafs expect him to do to be an asset to the big team, again to the people who judge players that are solely muckers, agitators, as Burke will call it pik and axe men, won't have the sophistication to understand this player's value lies in other attributes. The Marlies play a very structured style, 11 goals in 51 games is sort of where I see him in the NHL. For a 3rd line winger that bangs, goes to the net, mucks it up in the corners, agitates, plays in greasy areas, and is 6'3 215lbs this is an asset, unless we want to revert to the days of smurfing it up, we know how that turned out.

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It's been a weird year as far as Marlies development goes. The lockout made everything more challenging and some of the young guys had to play limited roles because there was simply no room on the roster.

They're starting to get more time now, but next year is going to be huge for development. I pray that Eakins is still around, and god forbid he gets signed by Buffalo...

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Ashton is still really young, too.

It's not like he's 24 or something; he joined the AHL at a pretty young age and was expected to produce right off the bat, and that may have stunted his offensive games growth.

He's had spurts of showing what he can do, hopefully he continues playing a tough game.
The thing that holds him back is his skating. He plays tough for sure, and definitely could fight for a spot, but I think his learning curve is bigger than most.

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03-10-2013, 05:40 PM
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Saying you won't slot a guy into a NHL lineup doesn't equate to writing a guy off, perhaps a more sophisticated point of view could differentiate. Black and white is boring. And to say we may have lost this trade is stating the obvious.

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The thing that holds him back is his skating. He plays tough for sure, and definitely could fight for a spot, but I think his learning curve is bigger than most.




Skates fine for me.

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Was wondering how Ashton was doing ... With his continuing development, he'll probably make Kulemin expendable sooner rather than later

Great news on Colborne though .. It'd be a gutsy decision to let Bozak walk as a UFA and not bring anyone in relying on Colborne to make the big club next year ... BUT if Kadri can keep producing and earning and expanded role, Grabo continues to be a solid checking forward (despite being overpaid in that role), you'd wonder if Colborne could be brought along in sheltered minutes next year like Naz has been this year

Ultimately I think Joe has potential to be an excellent centre for Kessel, but I wouldn't want to throw him against team's top pairing defense and shutdown guys quite yet .. Give him time to adjust to the NHL

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Was wondering how Ashton was doing ... With his continuing development, he'll probably make Kulemin expendable sooner rather than later
Why don't we just keep them?

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Sounds like I went to the wrong game (Saturdays game). Funny though, I thought jumbo joe was invisible Saturday. For me Ashton was the best forward and I was really surprised at mckegg. He was skating really well and was solid on the cycle. He was on the wing though. Has he been there all year?

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Here's the link to the game today in 6 minutes.

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Glad to hear Ross played well, he's one of the prospects I'm most intrigued by. How did his skating look? Has it improved from junior? That was one of his main weaknesses, that and strength, but the strength will come naturally with time.

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Saying you won't slot a guy into a NHL lineup doesn't equate to writing a guy off, perhaps a more sophisticated point of view could differentiate. Black and white is boring. And to say we may have lost this trade is stating the obvious.
I wouldn't want Keith Aulie anywhere near our roster.

He's currently a 12-13 minutes a night #6 defenceman on the 5th worst defensive team in the league.

If anything, it may turn into a trade neither team "won".

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Was wondering how Ashton was doing ... With his continuing development, he'll probably make Kulemin expendable sooner rather than later

Great news on Colborne though .. It'd be a gutsy decision to let Bozak walk as a UFA and not bring anyone in relying on Colborne to make the big club next year ... BUT if Kadri can keep producing and earning and expanded role, Grabo continues to be a solid checking forward (despite being overpaid in that role), you'd wonder if Colborne could be brought along in sheltered minutes next year like Naz has been this year

Ultimately I think Joe has potential to be an excellent centre for Kessel, but I wouldn't want to throw him against team's top pairing defense and shutdown guys quite yet .. Give him time to adjust to the NHL
Ashton plays a pro game, if you are expecting top 6 points, fancy moves, stick skills you will be disappointed.

He's the typical 3rd line grinder, really plays with an edge. Seems to be involved in a pushing match after every whistle. Will not be a favourite to play against.

Joe Colborne didn't get a point today, but don't let that fool you. As his points per game ratio have improved lately will testify to this, he looks filled out, faster, though he will never be mistaken for a speedster, his foot speed is better than than last year. Probably working on things Underhill has instilled in him. I think he will benefit from a winger that can shoot the puck. Scott and Carrick are not really on his level, and his passes seemed to be wasted. Starting to get used to seeing him shield his body between the puck and the opposition, he did that effectively today. Could see him being an effective cycle player in the NHL.

Ross was the biggest relegation of the game, was wondering when we would see why we moved Hayes to get this pick? Today was the first time why I could see why the Leafs were so high on him.

3 of the goals scored today had him squarely in the middle of it, he's a player that is not afraid to stand in front of the net, and this will endear him to RC or Eakins one day, Eakins rewarded him with ice time for this today. He's more in the build of Matt Cooke rather than Marchand IMO. Surprisingly he did not agitate today, that's a part of his game he can still build on.

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I always imagined Colborne playing between kessel and Lupul when we traded for him.

He is a playmaker with size and skill, he should be the perfect compliment to kessel. Within the last year, my hopes for him have gone down since his production has been sub par.

Good to hear he is turning it up a notch. Would love to see Colborne+Gradiner+Ranger on the leafs and see what they can do.

Also, I think we should give the younger high potential guys more chances to prove themselves on the Marlies instead of playing the vets for big minutes. Remember we are not after the Calder, we are looking to develop players.

I trust Eakins to do this especially since next year we are getting some good players in Biggs, Leivo, Percy etc.

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Did I read McKegg had 3 assists today?

Love it!

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Ashton plays a pro game, if you are expecting top 6 points, fancy moves, stick skills you will be disappointed.

He's the typical 3rd line grinder, really plays with an edge. Seems to be involved in a pushing match after every whistle. Will not be a favourite to play against.

Joe Colborne didn't get a point today, but don't let that fool you. As his points per game ratio have improved lately will testify to this, he looks filled out, faster, though he will never be mistaken for a speedster, his foot speed is better than than last year. Probably working on things Underhill has instilled in him. I think he will benefit from a winger that can shoot the puck. Scott and Carrick are not really on his level, and his passes seemed to be wasted. Starting to get used to seeing him shield his body between the puck and the opposition, he did that effectively today. Could see him being an effective cycle player in the NHL.

Ross was the biggest relegation of the game, was wondering when we would see why we moved Hayes to get this pick? Today was the first time why I could see why the Leafs were so high on him.

3 of the goals scored today had him squarely in the middle of it, he's a player that is not afraid to stand in front of the net, and this will endear him to RC or Eakins one day, Eakins rewarded him with ice time for this today. He's more in the build of Matt Cooke rather than Marchand IMO. Surprisingly he did not agitate today, that's a part of his game he can still build on.

Pretty impressive spin o rama by carter

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