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02-07-2013, 11:34 AM
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As a biased leafs fan.

Even I agree, Kassian + Schneid's is too much for Kessel.
A GOALIE who happens to be in a goalie controversy, while only playing ~70 games in his career + a power forward who has played 53 games in his career scoring an amazing 16 points (6 of which playing with the Sedins) who is only 3 years younger than Phil Kessel who's had 4 straight 30 goal seasons (3 of which on a lowly leafs team) and 333 pts in 466 games including 165 goals in that span. And that's too much for Kessel? My ass

Not to mention we have Tyler Biggs who projects to be the EXACT same player has Zack Kassian. What a joke man

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02-07-2013, 11:34 AM
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Kessel for Oreilly.

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02-07-2013, 11:39 AM
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For me If we end up moving Kessel it is imperative that we get quality > quantity coming back. ROR, M. Richards, maybe Duchene is the type of player I would be interested in getting back. To land one of those, I'd part with one of our other centers.

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02-07-2013, 11:45 AM
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Kessel for Oreilly.
Would take more than that.

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02-07-2013, 11:46 AM
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This possibility scares the hell out of me.
Why?

I would like to see them get a centre to play with Kessel (and Lupul when he returns) but if they get a good return on him why not trade him if it helps the team?

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02-07-2013, 11:47 AM
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For me If we end up moving Kessel it is imperative that we get quality > quantity coming back. ROR, M. Richards, maybe Duchene is the type of player I would be interested in getting back. To land one of those, I'd part with one of our other centers.
I am 1000% against trading Kessel.

However, if push comes to shove and management is deadset on trading our only star forward, we sure as hell better be getting a #1 center in return.

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IMO unless you KNOW he won't re sign you don't even take the call Kessel should be untouchable
Is is his job to listen. In fact, it is the job of every GM in the league to listen. Gretzky got traded so nobody is untouchable.

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02-07-2013, 11:48 AM
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A GOALIE who happens to be in a goalie controversy, while only playing ~70 games in his career + a power forward who has played 53 games in his career scoring an amazing 16 points (6 of which playing with the Sedins) who is only 3 years younger than Phil Kessel who's had 4 straight 30 goal seasons (3 of which on a lowly leafs team) and 333 pts in 466 games including 165 goals in that span. And that's too much for Kessel? My ass

Not to mention we have Tyler Biggs who projects to be the EXACT same player has Zack Kassian. What a joke man
Keep him. He's not going to return you the pieces you want.

Then Leafs have to overpay to sign him or let him walk for free after next season.

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02-07-2013, 11:49 AM
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For me If we end up moving Kessel it is imperative that we get quality > quantity coming back. ROR, M. Richards, maybe Duchene is the type of player I would be interested in getting back. To land one of those, I'd part with one of our other centers.
Bozak, okay. Grabovski, I wouldn't do it.

New guy
Grabovski
Kadri
that works for me really well

New guy
Bozak
Kadri
just creates a lesser, but still significant problem with our second line.

And, no, I don't think we rush Kadri into second line status.

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02-07-2013, 11:57 AM
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Detroit is a good fit.



Gustav Nyquist
Derren Helm/ Calle Jarnkrok
Peter Mrazaek
1st Rd 13

for



Phil Kessel
Cody Franson
Pretty sure Helm and Mrazek are going to be non-starters for Detroit, but Nyquist may be in play.

Filppula (UFA), Ericsson, Frk, 2013 2nd?

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02-07-2013, 12:03 PM
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Detroit is a good fit.



Gustav Nyquist
Derren Helm/ Calle Jarnkrok
Peter Mrazaek
1st Rd 13

for



Phil Kessel
Cody Franson
Proposals aren't your forte

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02-07-2013, 12:04 PM
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I am 1000% against trading Kessel.

However, if push comes to shove and management is deadset on trading our only star forward, we sure as hell better be getting a #1 center in return.
I doubt you will. Few teams have them in a abundance, never mind wanting to move a center to begin with. Instead you sell off assets and put yourself in a position to draft one. Kulemin and Phaneuf could both garner a first - more in the case of the latter. You get another in a Kessel trade and you could be sitting on four firsts in a deep draft.

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02-07-2013, 12:06 PM
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Proposals aren't your forte
Probably safe to say picking a winning team to cheer for isnt yours.

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02-07-2013, 12:10 PM
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Probably safe to say picking a winning team to cheer for isnt yours.
Do you cheer for a different team every year?

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02-07-2013, 12:11 PM
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Keep him. He's not going to return you the pieces you want.

Then Leafs have to overpay to sign him or let him walk for free after next season.
Done!

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02-07-2013, 12:19 PM
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I would too, but we'll be relying on ELCs like Kassian/Jensen to help fill out our depth cheaply.

I'd want to see, for 2013-2014

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Burrows-Kesler-Kessel
Raymond-Schroeder-Jensen
Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen

Schneider + Gaunce + 1st is the most I'd offer at this point in time. I'm willing to slightly overpay(which it is, imo), but not acquire Kessel at huge overpayment. Let's see if anyone would top that offer before going overboard on offers.
Gaunce and the late 1st isn't sure enough to move a sure thing for.
Schnieder is a good starting point - But Kassian is something that would have to be given up.

On your side Schneider + Gaunce + 1st is easy to stomach because it solidifies the goaltending and only moves out unneeded futures.

on our side it looks like a legit starter, but no immediate consolation for loss of Kessel, in terms of offensive production.

I'd meet in the middle with:
Schneider + Kassian + 2nd + 3rd

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02-07-2013, 12:20 PM
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So basically, any player on the Leafs can be traded, but no trade is close.

Gee thanks.

Watch this get blown out of proportion, if you're not listening, you're not doing your job as a GM, plain and simple.

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02-07-2013, 12:22 PM
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I really do see a Kessel for O'Reilly + deal happening with the + being a lot smaller then most people think.

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02-07-2013, 12:23 PM
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Would take more than that.
More than ROR to get Kessel or more than Kessel to get ROR?

I agree if it's the former and strongly disagree if it's the latter.

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02-07-2013, 12:24 PM
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A GOALIE who happens to be in a goalie controversy, while only playing ~70 games in his career + a power forward who has played 53 games in his career scoring an amazing 16 points (6 of which playing with the Sedins) who is only 3 years younger than Phil Kessel who's had 4 straight 30 goal seasons (3 of which on a lowly leafs team) and 333 pts in 466 games including 165 goals in that span. And that's too much for Kessel? My ass

Not to mention we have Tyler Biggs who projects to be the EXACT same player has Zack Kassian. What a joke man
If Kessel is dealt I think you'll be surprised with how little we get for him, if you think Schneider and Kassian isn't enough.

Kassian will probably be a 20 goal physical guy, who will add a lot of grit to a top six.

Schneider has shown he succeeds at every level, he's a legit starter in his prime age.

Having Kassian, JVR, Biggs, Frattin and Kulemin all in our top 9 will give us enough size to compete with the bigger clubs.

JVR - xxxx - Kessel
Kassian - Kadri - Frattin
Biggs - xxxxx - Kulemin

Add some size in the middle and you're set.

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I really do see a Kessel for O'Reilly + deal happening with the + being a lot smaller then most people think.
I think if the Leafs could get RoR and someone like McGinn, it would make their team better.

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More than ROR to get Kessel or more than Kessel to get ROR?

I agree if it's the former and strongly disagree if it's the latter.
Would need to add to RoR to get Kessel .

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Probably safe to say picking a winning team to cheer for isnt yours.
You make yourself sound like a really fair weather fan when you talk like that.

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I really do see a Kessel for O'Reilly + deal happening with the + being a lot smaller then most people think.
What if the trade involves Tyler Bozak, to replace the departed ROR?

He'd be a great third line center behind Duchene and Stastny. He's great on faceoffs and a solid 2-way player that can pot 15 ish goals. Bozak played college in Denver, and I believe still has a lot of connections to that state, so I think he'd be a great fit for you. He wouldn't cost a whole lot to re-sign, maybe even he'd take a small discount longterm.

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What if the trade involves Tyler Bozak, to replace the departed ROR?

He'd be a great third line center behind Duchene and Stastny. He's great on faceoffs and a solid 2-way player that can pot 15 ish goals. Bozak played college in Denver, and I believe still has a lot of connections to that state, so I think he'd be a great fit for you.
I mean we'd take a flyer on him no doubt, but he doesn't have much value to us. Mitchell and Sgarbossa look like they could play the 3C role for us.

The key for us is if we add to ROR for Kessel, the following pieces are not the +:

First round picks
Duchene, Stastny, Sgarbossa, Mitchell
Landeskog, PAP
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