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02-07-2013, 01:56 PM
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Yuck would never trade Schneider/Kassian & a 1st for Kessel.

Kessel is the exact opposite of Kassian when it comes to physicality. People clamored that Vancouver needs toughness & now that we finally have it we trade it for the complete opposite?

Sedins & Kessel would be one of THE softest lines in the NHL.

We need someone thats physical & can handle physicality without if effecting the player's game.

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02-07-2013, 01:58 PM
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I pointed that out a few times last summer. Because I found it absolutely hilarious (or sad...) that many of the same people that vehemently defended the Kessel trade also wouldn't want Semin for free (minus cap space) as a free agent...
I think I've finally found a fellow like minded leaf fan.

Kessel is a fine player to have on the team, but it can be hard to see how much he really contributes to the leafs success.

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02-07-2013, 02:07 PM
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First time I am doing a proposal so easy on me:

To the Wild:
Kessel
Franson or Gunnerson

To the Leafs:
Setogucchi
Coyle or Zach Phillips + 2nd

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02-07-2013, 02:08 PM
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I think I've finally found a fellow like minded leaf fan.

Kessel is a fine player to have on the team, but it can be hard to see how much he really contributes to the leafs success.
Well hopefully in the next month or two his dynamic offensive abilities are able to trick another GM into giving up a lot for him! Deadline deal prices do tend to bring out the worst in GMs.

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02-07-2013, 02:09 PM
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Probably Couture or Pavelski. They need offense, particularly in those that can play C.
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Couture + 1st 2013 at least.
Why would the Sharks trade their best young cost controlled player for a year and a half of Kessel? I like Kessel and would try to make a deal for him, but not at the expense of Couture or Pavelski - whom are the future of the franchise.

I already have a proposal that a few Leafs fans seem to like, and a few Sharks fans seem to hate - and nets the Leafs a playmaking winger for the next 2.5 years, an PMD RHD, and a goalie ready for a shot as a starter:

TOR
- Havalt
- Demers
- Greiss

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02-07-2013, 02:10 PM
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I think I've finally found a fellow like minded leaf fan.

Kessel is a fine player to have on the team, but it can be hard to see how much he really contributes to the leafs success.
Phil Kessel is not a slouch defensively. He's almost always in the current position, he's a wonderful skater and he contributes on the scoreboard. Randy Carlyle is a stickler for defensive awareness and he has had Phil out in a multitude of tenuous situations so far this year.

If you can't see the significance in such a player's worth to the successful of an NHL team, how much stuck should people put in your opinion?

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02-07-2013, 02:12 PM
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Why would the Sharks trade their best young cost controlled player for a year and a half of Kessel? I like Kessel and would try to make a deal for him, but not at the expense of Couture or Pavelski - whom are the future of the franchise.

I already have a proposal that a few Leafs fans seem to like, and a few Sharks fans seem to hate - and nets the Leafs a playmaking winger for the next 2.5 years, an PMD RHD, and a goalie ready for a shot as a starter:

TOR
- Havalt
- Demers
- Greiss

SJ
- Kessel
I'm surprised you were able to find Leafs fans that actually liked that deal. It's horrible.

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Why would the Sharks trade their best young cost controlled player for a year and a half of Kessel? I like Kessel and would try to make a deal for him, but not at the expense of Couture or Pavelski - whom are the future of the franchise.

I already have a proposal that a few Leafs fans seem to like, and a few Sharks fans seem to hate - and nets the Leafs a playmaking winger for the next 2.5 years, an PMD RHD, and a goalie ready for a shot as a starter:

TOR
- Havalt
- Demers
- Greiss

SJ
- Kessel
A big YUK.

It does not cover any needs for the Leafs. None.

I'm not sure which Leaf fans thought this was a good deal for the Leafs moving forward, needless to say, they were probably on roofies when you talked to them.

I understand that the core players of the Sharks are not in play, such as Couture and Pavelski, but the Leafs are not giving up Kessel for anything less than a top prospect, 1st round pick and likely a roster player.

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A big YUK.
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02-07-2013, 02:18 PM
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Welp. My bad.

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02-07-2013, 02:21 PM
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Exactly.

I honestly question how much of an "asset" kessel really is.

How can Kessel some how put up 82 points in 82 games, and still be a -10, when he almost NEVER get's defensive zone starts.

Kessel is incredibly sheltered, and still somehow is a minus player.

Year before, he puts up 64 points, and manages a -20. I don't even understand how you can be on for goals against that consistently.

The best comparable to Kessel, right now, is probably Semin. He's not as valuable as leaf fans make him out to be.
Plus/minus is a team stat and Toronto isn't a very good team. Add in the last two years Wilson was coach and they were a run and gun team and you get a bad plus/minus rating. No matter how much you hate on Phil Kessel he's a PPG, 40 goal scorer and won't be traded for anything other than an overpayment.

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02-07-2013, 02:22 PM
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Anyone offer a 1C or 1D for Kessel yet?

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02-07-2013, 02:25 PM
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Phil Kessel for Blake Kessel.

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02-07-2013, 02:28 PM
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Anyone offer a 1C or 1D for Kessel yet?
Nope, and nobody will.

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02-07-2013, 02:32 PM
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Nope, and nobody will.
yes they will

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Realistically I think if Toronto was going to trade Kessel they should ask for a blue-chip Centre prospect and a pick (probably not a first).

Huberdeau + 4th
Zibanejad + 1st
Kuznetsov + 2nd
Ryan Strome + 3rd
Grigorenko + 2nd
Coyle + 2nd
Schiefele + 1st
Bjugstad + 3rd
Hertl + 1st
TT + 2nd

Just spitballin' but perhaps something like one of these.


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He's a very good player but I don't think the Leafs will get what they want. The problem is that Kessel's salary is going to be very high and he is a great player for a contending team who already has size up front and needs an offensive player to push them over the top. I think that may limit the number of teams who will pony up the requested assets. It's hard to see how such a contending team trades away a top center for Kessel and yet still improves.

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Realistically I think if Toronto was going to trade Kessel they should ask for a blue-chip Centre prospect and a pick (probably not a first).
it will be for a top prospect/young potential #1C + 1st

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02-07-2013, 02:36 PM
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Nope, and nobody will.
Yes they will, providing that player is paid too much for what they provide to their team, and they have a very long term deal.

Perhaps the Leafs should offer Kessel for Ovechkin? I wonder if Washington would bite on that? Cap hit v. production is certainly an improvement for the Capitals. Then, the Capitals could let Kessel go via free agency to free up even more space, or simply trade him for picks.

Is Nonis too smart for this?

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Why would the Sharks trade their best young cost controlled player for a year and a half of Kessel? I like Kessel and would try to make a deal for him, but not at the expense of Couture or Pavelski - whom are the future of the franchise.

I already have a proposal that a few Leafs fans seem to like, and a few Sharks fans seem to hate - and nets the Leafs a playmaking winger for the next 2.5 years, an PMD RHD, and a goalie ready for a shot as a starter:

TOR
- Havalt
- Demers
- Greiss

SJ
- Kessel
Lol. Awful for the Leafs. Who said they like this, must be trolls.

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it will be for a top prospect/young potential #1C + 1st
While I tend to believe that should be the value. The only way to really get a top flight 1C is through the draft, so the odds of a team giving up a legit Blue-Chip prospect and a 1st is a bit tougher even though Kessel is a star winger.

Might be just me though.

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Nope, and nobody will.
Makes sense. If a team was gonna give up what it takes to get Kessel, it would be one who thinks they can make some noise in the playoffs, and those kind of teams don't give up their #1 D or #1 C in trades.

Unless it's a team with an excess # of #1 caliber D/C, and lacking a true sniper.

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it will be for a top prospect/young potential #1C + 1st
Nope. That's exactly what Nonis will want in return, but no team will give up a top prospect and the 1st (unless the first is in the 20 to 30 spot.).

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Anyone offer a 1C or 1D for Kessel yet?
why would anyone do that?

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