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02-07-2013, 06:07 PM
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Good for you, at least you have a shot to get one of them.
Nah, not really, just a wishful thinking as any other big UFA.

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02-07-2013, 06:10 PM
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And Getzlaf is currently a ppg, while Richards has struggled.

Even Getzlaf's "off year" he put up 57 points. In the past 3 years Richards has averaged 57 points.

Then you have Getzlaf's size, then you have his FO ability. You have his physicality. Getzlaf screams elite 1C. Richards is more of a tweener, good 1C, but great 2C.
Getzlaf quite possibly might not be available from the Ducks. It's not like they don't have cap space to sign him to a lot of money.... Plus they are a better team than Toronto, with all due respect to you Leafs fans...

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Getzlaf quite possibly might not be available from the Ducks. It's not like they don't have cap space to sign him to a lot of money.... Plus they are a better team than Toronto, with all due respect to you Leafs fans...
If I was Nonis, I would offer him $12.8m/yr for 7 years. Leafs need a legitimate first line center? Problem solved for the foreseeable future. If he declines, I can at least walk away knowing I did literally everything in my power to get him to Toronto.


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Getzlaf quite possibly might not be available from the Ducks. It's not like they don't have cap space to sign him to a lot of money.... Plus they are a better team than Toronto, with all due respect to you Leafs fans...
Yeah it's quite obvious they are better than us, but like I said it all depends on what Getzlaf wants to do. For the record I think they'll keep Getz, but lose Perry.

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Is Kessel for Perry out of the question? Conditional 1st plus 2nd over the next two years if he doesn't resign?

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02-07-2013, 06:24 PM
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Assuming Getzlaf can be re-signed, why would the Ducks give up a #1C the likes of Getzlaf for a winger like Kessel? That kind of deal doesn't lead to championship hockey for the team giving up the #1C.



I think Getzlaf is better than Richards as well. Size matters. Geez, could you imagine Kopitar and Getzlaf down the middle on the same team?



Mike Richards looked pretty good last May and June. Ask around, start with the Canucks.
He was all world in game 1 but looked bad the rest of the series. Went pointless the next 4 games with a -3.

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02-07-2013, 06:28 PM
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If I was Nonis, I would offer him $12.8m over 7 years. Leafs need a legitimate first line center? Problem solved for the foreseeable future. If he declines, I can at least walk away knowing I did literally everything in my power to get him to Toronto.
What the ****?!?!

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02-07-2013, 06:32 PM
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If I was Nonis, I would offer him $12.8m over 7 years. Leafs need a legitimate first line center? Problem solved for the foreseeable future. If he declines, I can at least walk away knowing I did literally everything in my power to get him to Toronto.
Can't see him signing on for $1.83m a year.

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02-07-2013, 06:34 PM
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Kessel, 2 - 1rsts to Boston for Hamilton and Spooner?

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What the ****?!?!
Yup. I said the same thing when he suggested that outlandish thing on the Leafs board. Except I was so shocked I also laughed.

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02-07-2013, 06:38 PM
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Yeah but with no O'Reilly, Landeskog, Downie, or Jones, they're not going to make much hay this year anyway.

Their defense and/or future improve considerably with a top-5 pick in this year's draft, no?
I will stop you there.... not moving Johnson, just cannot.

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02-07-2013, 06:45 PM
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Honestly, if we were to trade Philip Kessel, it'd have to be more than the Carter trade. So everybody, when you're making your proposals, see if it is better than Johnson+late 1st before posting.

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02-07-2013, 06:47 PM
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Can't see him signing on for $1.83m a year.
You know what I meant.

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02-07-2013, 06:51 PM
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What the ****?!?!
Quality over quantity. We're paying mediocre players entirely too much money for what they bring. If we're okay paying Connolly and Komisarek a combined $9.2 million NOT to play for the Leafs, I have no problem paying a guy like Ryan Getzlaf $12.8m per season.

I'd rather spend big and get a guy who I know can get the job done. Factor in other variables like Getzlaf and his wife not wanting to leave California and the stigma attached to Toronto, and you really have no choice if you want to get the guy who your team desperately needs.

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Quality over quantity. We're paying mediocre players entirely too much money for what they bring. If we're okay paying Connolly and Komisarek a combined $9.2 million NOT to play for the Leafs, I have no problem paying a guy like Ryan Getzlaf $12.8m per season.

I'd rather spend big and get a guy who I know can get the job done. Factor in other variables like Getzlaf and his wife not wanting to leave California and the stigma attached to Toronto, and you really have no choice if you want to get the guy who your team desperately needs.
How about this, the Kings will sign Getzlaf in the off season, then send you Richards for Kessel. Deal?

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02-07-2013, 07:18 PM
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Two 1st's from Boston. Get it done Chia.

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02-07-2013, 07:19 PM
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This debating on which 1LC that isnīt on the market to get is not really getting anywhere. Unless the Leafs org still firmly believes Kadri can be a 1LC, you get whichever you can get.

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02-07-2013, 07:23 PM
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O'Reilly+O'Byrne/Zanon/hunwick/O'Brien for Kessel

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Kessel isn't for trade, but if we trade him it would take a deal something like this:

A young roster player, a top prospect, a 1st/2nd round pick 2013

Cal Clutterbuck, Mikael Granlund, 1st round pick 2013
Colin Wilson, Austin Watson, 1st round pick 2013
Adam Henrique, Stefan Matteau, 2nd round pick 2013
Josh Bailey/Kyle Okposo/Frans Nielsen, Ryan Strome, 2nd round pick 2013
Chris Stewart/Patrick Berglund, Jaden Schwartz/Dmitry Jaskin, 1st round pick 2013
Marcus Johansson, Filip Forsberg, 1st round pick 2013 (or Tom Wilson)
Alexander Burmistrov, Mark Scheifele, 2nd round pick 2013

or a higher end young forward like (plus another piece):

Sean Couturier, Scott Laughton/Matt Read
Ryan O'Reilly, Duncan Siemens/Michael Sgarbossa, 3rd round pick 2013

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02-07-2013, 07:58 PM
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Two 1st's from Boston. Get it done Chia.
You can't be serious! Boston would not take him back. The fan base is to against him and trust me that is not an environment he would flourish in. It would never happen.

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02-07-2013, 07:59 PM
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Quality over quantity. We're paying mediocre players entirely too much money for what they bring. If we're okay paying Connolly and Komisarek a combined $9.2 million NOT to play for the Leafs, I have no problem paying a guy like Ryan Getzlaf $12.8m per season.

I'd rather spend big and get a guy who I know can get the job done. Factor in other variables like Getzlaf and his wife not wanting to leave California and the stigma attached to Toronto, and you really have no choice if you want to get the guy who your team desperately needs.
I'm sorry man, that's pure insanity.

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02-07-2013, 08:00 PM
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Nonis is using Dreger to say he's open for business on Kessel in a way that doesn't disrespect the player. I actually doubt he's been getting calls, but rather think it's a sly way of saying he wants calls.

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Kessel isn't for trade, but if we trade him it would take a deal something like this:

A young roster player, a top prospect, a 1st/2nd round pick 2013

Chris Stewart/Patrick Berglund, Jaden Schwartz/Dmitry Jaskin, 1st round pick 2013
Marcus Johansson, Filip Forsberg, 1st round pick 2013 (or Tom Wilson)
Alexander Burmistrov, Mark Scheifele, 2nd round pick 2013

Any of these would make me supremely happy.

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Kessel isn't for trade, but if we trade him it would take a deal something like this:

A young roster player, a top prospect, a 1st/2nd round pick 2013

Cal Clutterbuck, Mikael Granlund, 1st round pick 2013
Colin Wilson, Austin Watson, 1st round pick 2013
Adam Henrique, Stefan Matteau, 2nd round pick 2013
Josh Bailey/Kyle Okposo/Frans Nielsen, Ryan Strome, 2nd round pick 2013
Chris Stewart/Patrick Berglund, Jaden Schwartz/Dmitry Jaskin, 1st round pick 2013
Marcus Johansson, Filip Forsberg, 1st round pick 2013 (or Tom Wilson)
Alexander Burmistrov, Mark Scheifele, 2nd round pick 2013

or a higher end young forward like (plus another piece):

Sean Couturier, Scott Laughton/Matt Read
Ryan O'Reilly, Duncan Siemens/Michael Sgarbossa, 3rd round pick 2013
The one thing that Nonis has said about the freedom he's been given by his superiors, is that he has to show progress towards a playoff spot.

Most of these deals, involve players who are either years away from being valuable NHLers, or guys who address none of our needs.

If Kessel's going to go, and it's not in a package for a better player, than the deal needs to involve a young player off another NHL roster, who's got a ton of upside, and also fills a substantial need for us. Most of the packages you proposed there, don't do that.

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Kessel isn't for trade, but if we trade him it would take a deal something like this:

A young roster player, a top prospect, a 1st/2nd round pick 2013

Cal Clutterbuck, Mikael Granlund, 1st round pick 2013
Colin Wilson, Austin Watson, 1st round pick 2013
Adam Henrique, Stefan Matteau, 2nd round pick 2013
Josh Bailey/Kyle Okposo/Frans Nielsen, Ryan Strome, 2nd round pick 2013
Chris Stewart/Patrick Berglund, Jaden Schwartz/Dmitry Jaskin, 1st round pick 2013
Marcus Johansson, Filip Forsberg, 1st round pick 2013 (or Tom Wilson)
Alexander Burmistrov, Mark Scheifele, 2nd round pick 2013

or a higher end young forward like (plus another piece):

Sean Couturier, Scott Laughton/Matt Read
Ryan O'Reilly, Duncan Siemens/Michael Sgarbossa, 3rd round pick 2013
Most of those teams you are proposing trades with are pretty hard up for centers themselves. Johansson maybe an option, but he is not a potential 1LC. Islanders may trade Nielsen, but most likely not Strome. Especially if it is for a big-ish contract. Couturier, like Johansson is really no a 1LC and incredibly overrated just now, so probably not getting much to go along with him.

As prospects go, Ottawa seems a good target. Neither Spezza nor Turris are on their last leg just yet and Zibanejad may just be available.

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