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02-07-2013, 08:16 PM
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Most of those teams you are proposing trades with are pretty hard up for centers themselves. Johansson maybe an option, but he is not a potential 1LC. Islanders may trade Nielsen, but most likely not Strome. Especially if it is for a big-ish contract. Couturier, like Johansson is really no a 1LC and incredibly overrated just now, so probably not getting much to go along with him.

As prospects go, Ottawa seems a good target. Neither Spezza nor Turris are on their last leg just yet and Zibanejad may just be available.
Personally, Couturier is the guy I'd want the more for a Kesse trade.

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02-07-2013, 08:30 PM
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That's intriguing, I think I'd rather have Kane though

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02-07-2013, 08:37 PM
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That's intriguing, I think I'd rather have Kane though
So a more physical version of Kessel even up yeah like that would happen.

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So a more physical version of Kessel even up yeah like that would happen.
It depends on what the 'Peg's management thinks about Kane. If off-ice issues are a problem. It hinges on a lot of things as do most trades. You're a borderline Boston troll though, so I wouldn't expect you to think highly of Phil Kessel

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Personally, Couturier is the guy I'd want the more for a Kesse trade.
It is something to try. Still don`t think he is the 1LC the Leafs need, but as a Pens fan I am all for that trade.

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02-07-2013, 08:42 PM
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It is something to try. Still don`t think he is the 1LC the Leafs need, but as a Pens fan I am all for that trade.
He's not a 1C and I don't believe he projects to be either. Also I'm not sure the offense is there for him to become a 1C.

I'd like Pavelski/Couture, those 2 interest me greatly. SJ won't trade them after the start they've had though and with how little support their bottom 6 is providing.

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I'm sorry man, that's pure insanity.
Why? The Leafs need a first line center. The Leafs have the capspace. He's the right age. He's a big body forward who plays a rugged game. He's everything the Leafs have needed since Mats Sundin left. And as you all know, no other team is going to trade us a genuine first line center. And the Leafs aren't bad enough to draft one either. At least not in the mold of a Ryan Getzlaf.

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Unless we get a #1 center back we're not interested, we really need one to play with Kess-

God damnit.

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How about this, the Kings will sign Getzlaf in the off season, then send you Richards for Kessel. Deal?
The goal is to improve the Leafs, not the Kings.

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Why? The Leafs need a first line center. The Leafs have the capspace. He's the right age. He's a big body forward who plays a rugged game. He's everything the Leafs have needed since Mats Sundin left. And as you all know, no other team is going to trade us a genuine first line center. And the Leafs aren't bad enough to draft one either. At least not in the mold of a Ryan Getzlaf.
Getzlaf was drafted late in the 1st round. I know the 2003 draft was insane, but still you never know. 1Cs are almost always drafted. Maybe Monahan could be our Getzlaf, assuming we suck bad enough.

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Kessel & Bozak for Bobby Ryan & Sbisa
Oh man, this would be really good. I wouldn't feel bad if we traded Kessel for Ryan given he's got a longer contract.

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Getzlaf was drafted late in the 1st round. I know the 2003 draft was insane, but still you never know. 1Cs are almost always drafted. Maybe Monahan could be our Getzlaf, assuming we suck bad enough.
Then we'd have two Ryan Getzlafs. Great problem to have. But seriously, we can't pass up sure things for slim chances.

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It depends on what the 'Peg's management thinks about Kane. If off-ice issues are a problem. It hinges on a lot of things as do most trades. You're a borderline Boston troll though, so I wouldn't expect you to think highly of Phil Kessel

Kane just resigned a a multi year deal and as for the troll comment, lets see what your views are when he bolts and Leafs get nothing. Kessel scores goals, he does not check he is no leader his playmaking skills are avg at best. Leadership skills ????? I maybe trolling as you say but dispute my assesment on what value beyond scoring goals does Kessel Have.

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Kessel & Bozak for Bobby Ryan & Sbisa
Kessel and Ryan have similar value, so I doubt we could get Sbisa, but oh man I would love this.

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Kane just resigned a a multi year deal and as for the troll comment, lets see what your views are when he bolts and Leafs get nothing. Kessel scores goals, he does not check he is no leader his playmaking skills are avg at best. Leadership skills ????? I maybe trolling as you say but dispute my assesment on what value beyond scoring goals does Kessel Have.
Playmaking and speed. Kessel is a better player than Kane at this very moment.

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He's not a 1C and I don't believe he projects to be either. Also I'm not sure the offense is there for him to become a 1C.

I'd like Pavelski/Couture, those 2 interest me greatly. SJ won't trade them after the start they've had though and with how little support their bottom 6 is providing.
I personally think he projects to be a two-way #1C.

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Kane just resigned a a multi year deal and as for the troll comment, lets see what your views are when he bolts and Leafs get nothing. Kessel scores goals, he does not check he is no leader his playmaking skills are avg at best. Leadership skills ????? I maybe trolling as you say but dispute my assesment on what value beyond scoring goals does Kessel Have.
He's become a great playmaker too. He plays with some guys who have absolutely stone hands like Kostka. Kessel set up Kostka beautifully on the PP multiple times this year, only for Kostka to fumble it. He's not a leader that's true, but he's got more than one dimension. He's not scoring goals right now, but helped the Leafs beat Washington for example. I'd rather we keep him, but I get the feeling he wants to go to a smaller media market.

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Playmaking and speed. Kessel is a better player than Kane at this very moment.

Care to put that to a poll ?

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Then we'd have two Ryan Getzlafs. Great problem to have. But seriously, we can't pass up sure things for slim chances.
No team can afford a player at 12m, NYR are already regretting 7 mil for B. Richards I'm sure.

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Care to put that to a poll ?

To take it further why not in a poll ask who would get a geater return if both players are on trade block.

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To take it further why not in a poll ask who would get a geater return if both players are on trade block.
I would think Kane would have a higher trade value. Doesn't take away from the fact that Kessel's a better player. Higher trade value =/= better player.

Kane's got a new contract on a manageable cap hit and he just scored 30 goals last year.

Kessel's 1 year away from UFA status and he's scored 30+ goals in the last 5 years.

You hate Kessel as a Bruins fan so you really shouldn't be talking about him at all given how you'd be completely biased against him. I don't hate Kane or Kessel so I would assume I'd have a more neutral view for the 2. There's no doubt that I think Kane's the better piece for a rebuilding team, but you ask a Cup contender which player you take for a run and I think Kessel would be the better one. If you want stats, just look at how he produced with the Bruins a few years back. Can't ignore facts.

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Why? The Leafs need a first line center. The Leafs have the capspace. He's the right age. He's a big body forward who plays a rugged game. He's everything the Leafs have needed since Mats Sundin left. And as you all know, no other team is going to trade us a genuine first line center. And the Leafs aren't bad enough to draft one either. At least not in the mold of a Ryan Getzlaf.
Well, technically you have been..You just traded it away, that's all...

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Well, technically you have been..You just traded it away, that's all...
Don't remind us.

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Well, technically you have been..You just traded it away, that's all...
Seguin isn't a centre anymore, is he?

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