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07-05-2013, 09:55 PM
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Trading O'Reilly/Stastny would eleviate some pain, but if we can trade O'Reilly (and other assets) for a top 2. Plus if we can get one of them to resign for cheaper (most likely Stastny) that would help.

Lock Landeskog and Duchene 6+ long-long-term, Barrie 2+, Stastny 4+, McGinn and Downie 2+. Then hopefully we can save $ for Mac down the road.
I'm curious to know why you feel Paul Stastny, who would be coming up to unrestricted free agency for the first time, would be more likely to take a $2m+ paycut AAV in your scenario than O'Reilly to sign long-term in the $5m AAV range.

If this free agency has shown anything, it is that teams will overpay for guys they feel can scrape by in certain roles. A guy who is barely a top 4 defenseman will be paid like a very good #2/#3. A second line center will be paid like a good first line center. If we feel Staz is still a first line center with the right situation(see USA in World Championships), then I have no reason to believe he would come down that far.

Stastny, as a UFA over these past 24 hours or whatever, would have gotten $7m AAV or something silly. No doubt in my mind.

I think we could move Stastny, along with a draft pick(2014 1st or 2nd depending on the player) and maybe an Elliott or something, for a damn good defenseman. That would also shed us of Paul's $6.6m salary and allow us to allocate that for extensions elsewhere.

Just my two cents. I'll be awaiting the comments by people saying I am simply biased against Staz.

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07-05-2013, 09:57 PM
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I don't know about off the ice, on the ice I'll agree.
He might not be the first choice as a drinking buddy or to go pick up broads on a Saturday night, but he's a classy guy and a role model. That can't be questioned. Dedicated, honest, polite, on and on. May not be the coolest cat, but that's irrelevant. On the ice and off the ice, a great teammate and great person.

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07-05-2013, 10:01 PM
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Bingo bango bongo.

Next summer:

Player - FA type - Current - Projected (ignoring years)

Stastny - UFA - $6.6m - $6.5m
O'Reilly - RFA - $6.5m($5m hit) - $5m
Landeskog - RFA - $3.575m - $5m
Duchene - RFA - $3.5m - $6.5m
Varlamov - RFA - $2.83m - $4.5m
Downie - UFA - $2.65m - $3.75m
McGinn - RFA - $1.75m - $3m
Barrie - RFA - $0.9m - $2.5m

Ignoring guys like Giguere, Elliott, Hishon, etc. who shouldn't be much. Really, only Staz and O'Reilly will be in the similar AAV range. The other guys will go up, and go up substantially. I think Downie could be closer to $4m as an impending UFA if he stays healthy and Ginner closer to $3.5m if he doesn't hit two posts per game. Duchene at $6.5m long-term might be a discount, who knows if he keeps exploding.

We can't be stupid here. Locking up over $6.5m AAV in Ference and Gordon would have been bad. Period.
Way too early for this stuff because we don't know what will happen next season but I'll say the max for Landeskog will be $4M/yr and both Stastny and O'Reilly won't be on the team. Hopefully O'Reilly gets extended. Stastny will be 28 and he can probably get what he is making right now on the open market. O'Reilly is younger, he'll be cheaper, and next season he'll show he's also better.

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07-05-2013, 10:06 PM
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Way too early for this stuff because we don't know what will happen next season but I'll say the max for Landeskog will be $4M/yr and both Stastny and O'Reilly won't be on the team. Hopefully O'Reilly gets extended. Stastny will be 28 and he can probably get what he is making right now on the open market. O'Reilly is younger, he'll be cheaper, and next season he'll show he's also better.
That seems quite low for Landeskog, it's barely a raise from his entry level contract. I think, as the captain of our team and given the intangibles he brings, it's quite possible the team would want to get something done long-term and the $5m AAV range sounds about right to me.

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Stastny, as a UFA over these past 24 hours or whatever, would have gotten $7m AAV or something silly. No doubt in my mind.
i don't see it, sure he didn't make it to ufa but datsyuk got 7.5

jordan staal got 6.0

ribero got 5.5

the most i could see a team pony up is 6.5 but even at that price i'd be shocked.

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Wondering what the power plays will look like. Avalanche need to find a way to fit Steve Downie in, he's got soft hands. But it will be tough behind all of the Avalanche's forwards.

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Barrie - Duchene

Tanguay - Stastny - Downie
Benoit - O'Reilly
Stefan Elliott will work his way in there if he makes the team. Alex Tanguay could easily move to the point as well, or PA Parenteau.

Stacked offensively.

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07-05-2013, 10:12 PM
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That seems quite low for Landeskog, it's barely a raise from his entry level contract. I think, as the captain of our team and given the intangibles he brings, it's quite possible the team would want to get something done long-term and the $5m AAV range sounds about right to me.
I guess it depends on how he plays next season and how Sakic/Roy handle second contracts.

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I guess it depends on how he plays next season and how Sakic/Roy handle second contracts.
Are you saying Greg won't be around next summer?

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07-05-2013, 10:16 PM
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O'Reilly - Landeskog
Hejda - Johnson

Stastny - McGinn
Wilson - Sarich
Still not bad at all on paper, granted just my projections. But improving on special teams next year will make a world of difference.

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Wondering what the power plays will look like. Avalanche need to find a way to fit Steve Downie in, he's got soft hands. But it will be tough behind all of the Avalanche's forwards.......
I like...

Landeskog-Duchene-Parenteau
Barrie-O'Reilly

MacKinnon-Stastny-Tanguay
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Are you saying Greg won't be around next summer?
He'll probably be around doing the same thing he's doing right now. Nothing.......

I meant in terms of bridge contract or long-term contract. Even if Sherman is the one negotiating the contracts, Sakic/Roy will tell him what kind of deal they want.

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07-05-2013, 10:48 PM
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I think Stefan Elliott will start the year in Lake Erie but will be the first call-up and have a big year. If he does the Avalanche will be rock solid on the right side.

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I think we could move Stastny, along with a draft pick(2014 1st or 2nd depending on the player) and maybe an Elliott or something, for a damn good defenseman. That would also shed us of Paul's $6.6m salary and allow us to allocate that for extensions elsewhere.
Like ROR's next contract?

I think a deal with either one could bring back a good defenseman.
By your logic though, if ROR and Staz are about on the same AAV contract (which I don't think will actually be the case), ROR (the better, younger player) will bring the same dman back without having to add an asset like Elliott, so at what point does that make Stastny more valuable as the player to keep if it means retaining another valuable asset along with him?

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Just my two cents. I'll be awaiting the comments by people saying I am simply biased against Staz.
I won't blame your bias, as we all have them. I'll just blame Sacco for everything.

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I think we can resign Stastny cheaper. Sakic and Roy have really been outspoken about his role on the team. With this new attitude, he could possibly sign for 4.5-5 M.

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Isn't the cap likely to go up though over the next few years?

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Logan Couture got 6 mil, I see no reason why Duchene can't get the same and be happy with it.

6 mil for 7 or 8 years would be fantastic. Stas at 5 mil and O'reilly at 5.5 would be ideal. Landy with a bridge contract two years at 9 mil would be good.

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07-05-2013, 11:39 PM
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Lando probably signs a Bridge Deal closer to what Duchene took, maybe a tad higher.

If it's a little bit longer term I could see him getting into the mid 4's and low 5's, something I wouldn't mind one bit, he's our Captain and as long as he plays like we know he's capable of, we need to show him the love.

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Logan Couture got 6 mil, I see no reason why Duchene can't get the same and be happy with it.

6 mil for 7 or 8 years would be fantastic. Stas at 5 mil and O'reilly at 5.5 would be ideal. Landy with a bridge contract two years at 9 mil would be good.
I can almost guarantee that one of Stastny/O'Reilly isn't with the Avalanche in the 2014-2015 NHL season.

Gives a lot more room to sign whoever they get traded for.

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I like...

Landeskog-Duchene-Parenteau
Barrie-O'Reilly

MacKinnon-Stastny-Tanguay
Johnson-Benoit



He'll probably be around doing the same thing he's doing right now. Nothing.......
Good feeling with PP unit next season... I like our lines

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07-06-2013, 01:11 AM
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He might not be the first choice as a drinking buddy or to go pick up broads on a Saturday night, but he's a classy guy and a role model. That can't be questioned. Dedicated, honest, polite, on and on. May not be the coolest cat, but that's irrelevant. On the ice and off the ice, a great teammate and great person.
I agree all that and he's a leader in his own right, but not he's not the person his teammates go to. Great teammate? Yes. Great person? Yes. Those two things aren't my definition of a leader though.

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i don't see it, sure he didn't make it to ufa but datsyuk got 7.5

jordan staal got 6.0

ribero got 5.5

the most i could see a team pony up is 6.5 but even at that price i'd be shocked.
I would be shocked if Stastny signed for anything less than 5.5M, would be surprised if it is less than 6M actually... ****, Weiss got 6M.

Next year, Stastny might be the most appealing center on the market.

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I would be shocked if Stastny signed for anything less than 5.5M, would be surprised if it is less than 6M actually... ****, Weiss got 6M.

Next year, Stastny might be the most appealing center on the market.
Weiss got 4.9 mil.

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An effective box play will be more important than an effective power play the coming season.

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Weiss got 4.9 mil.
You are right, i got that wrong. Anyway, a year from now in the open market with the cap going up, i still think Stastny can get 6M or more if he has a 60 point season.

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You are right, i got that wrong. Anyway, a year from now in the open market with the cap going up, i still think Stastny can get 6M or more if he has a 60 point season.
Definitely.

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Just my two cents. I'll be awaiting the comments by people saying I am simply biased against Staz.
I know this is directed and guys like me and Ice Rat. But to be fair you do make it kinda easy

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