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03-26-2013, 01:11 PM
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I see a lot of good ideas for next year roster in this thread, but unfortunately none of you can be the GM of the Avs to make it happen.

All I see them doing is picking up another Zanon and saying their blue line got better. I'm just hoping at least they draft #1 or 2 overall.

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03-26-2013, 01:32 PM
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There doesn't seem to be too many UFA D's available. And Avs don't have too much extra assets.

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03-26-2013, 01:43 PM
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I've had some thoughts of changing it up lol but its a pipe dream

Stan Kroenke sells the team, Pierre and Eric Lacroix are fired, Greg Sherman fired, Joe Sacco fired

Joe Sakic becomes president, Patrick Roy is hired as both GM and Head Coach, with Adam Foote being brought in as an assistant coach, and maybe Claude Lemieux for **** and giggles and motivation

At the draft, Paul Stastny + Stefan Elliott + 2013 2nd Round Pick traded to Columbus for Jack Johnson (This is depending on Columbus finishing off the season bad and taking Seth Jones)

Draft Jonathan Drouin with our potential top 3 pick

Amnesty David Jones

Sign Tyler Bozak to a three year, 10.5 million contract

Sign Mason Raymond to a three year, 9 million dollar contract

Go into next season with:

Drouin/Duchene/Parenteau
Landeskog/O'Reilly/Downie
McGinn/Bozak/Raymond
McLeod/Mitchell/Palushaj

J.Johnson/E.Johnson
Hejda/Barrie
O'Brien/Siemens

Varlamov
Giguere

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03-26-2013, 01:46 PM
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I would love to see the Avs sign Smid out from under Edmonton's nose.

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03-26-2013, 01:55 PM
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I would love to see the Avs sign Smid out from under Edmonton's nose.
I would not.

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03-26-2013, 02:09 PM
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Upgraded version of McGinn, does that spell Landeskog? In my book it does. I do want him with O'Reilly though. They both grow when playing with each other. I really dont want Landeskog playing with Stastny anymore.
Landeskog is not a better McGinn, they are completely different players. Landeskog is not just a shooter or forechecker, he's a defensively smart power forward that can shoot, pass and grind with the best of them. McGinn is more of a younger, less impressive Ryan Smyth. For us he hasn't been the banger Sharks fans claimed him to be, but he's made a lot of room for his linemates and he has a nice release that both Duchy and PAP can find him for.

Lando was just awkward as hell on that line to start the season. He and Staz played well and of course with O'Reilly too.

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I would love to see the Avs sign Smid out from under Edmonton's nose.
If he makes it to UFA, someone will overpay him along the lines of five mil. Better not be us.

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03-26-2013, 02:18 PM
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Smid and Bozak would both be fine, but someone is going to overpay massively for those guys in the summer. Offers we don't want to match surely.

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03-26-2013, 02:23 PM
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Bozak sure; he's a center. Smid is a defense-first defenseman who has a career high of 15 points. I don't think there's any indication toward overpayment unless competition drives his price up significantly. I don't see most GMs' drop-dead price being significantly higher than his actual worth, so that's not particularly likely to me either.

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03-26-2013, 02:23 PM
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I would not.
What? Smid would be an amazing upgrade on our defense. He is like the prime version of Jan Hejda.

Next year
Smid - Johnson
Hejda - Barrie
O'Brien - Jones

AHL
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03-26-2013, 02:29 PM
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I've had some thoughts of changing it up lol but its a pipe dream

Stan Kroenke sells the team, Pierre and Eric Lacroix are fired, Greg Sherman fired, Joe Sacco fired

Joe Sakic becomes president, Patrick Roy is hired as both GM and Head Coach, with Adam Foote being brought in as an assistant coach, and maybe Claude Lemieux for **** and giggles and motivation

At the draft, Paul Stastny + Stefan Elliott + 2013 2nd Round Pick traded to Columbus for Jack Johnson (This is depending on Columbus finishing off the season bad and taking Seth Jones)

Draft Jonathan Drouin with our potential top 3 pick

Amnesty David Jones

Sign Tyler Bozak to a three year, 10.5 million contract

Sign Mason Raymond to a three year, 9 million dollar contract

Go into next season with:

Drouin/Duchene/Parenteau
Landeskog/O'Reilly/Downie
McGinn/Bozak/Raymond
McLeod/Mitchell/Palushaj

J.Johnson/E.Johnson
Hejda/Barrie
O'Brien/Siemens

Varlamov
Giguere
That would be horrible.
Roy as a coach and GM would fail horribly. I don't like your Stastny trade. Keep Elliott.
And stay away from freaking Bozak and Raymond.

Why amnesty Jones only to get Raymond? Money waste.


The only thing I really like is the selling of Kroenke and the house cleaning.

If we overpay in FA, might as well overpay Smid.

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03-26-2013, 02:40 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS
UFA/Draft Pick / Matt Duchene ($3.500m) / P-A Parenteau ($4.000m)
Jamie McGinn ($1.750m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / David Jones ($4.000m)
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.000m) / Steve Downie ($2.650m)
Cody McLeod ($1.150m) / John Mitchell ($1.100m) / Patrick Bordeleau ($0.525m)
Mark Olver ($0.600m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Erik Johnson ($3.750m) / UFA/Draft Pick
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Ryan Wilson ($2.250m)
Shane O'Brien ($2.000m) / Tyson Barrie ($0.900m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.600m) /

GOALTENDERS
Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.500m)

I think that we have a decent roster without having to change much. I think Jones would go back to his old streaky self with Stastny and McGinn. McGinn does nothing for me with Duchene and PAP he just kinda hangs out and watches them score a lot.

O'Reilly and Lando have the chemistry so why not? or we could put Lando back with Duchene move Mitchell up to the wing and slot in a cheap UFA 4th liner.

Shane O'Brien is the one D out of the bunch that I would rather us keep. He brings energy and passion and paired with Barrie in protected minutes I think he will do just fine. (and heaven forbid someone stepped outta line against Barrie.)


The biggest thing is I dont think we need to make a big drastic trade just to prove a point. We can keep rolling 3 scoring lines and tough to play against. Well with a proper system of course.

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03-26-2013, 02:45 PM
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This is what I hope to see:

Drouin/Mac - Duchene - PAP
Landeskog - Oreilly - Downie
McGinn - Stastny - Jones/UFA
McCleod - Mitchell - Olver
Bordeleau

UFA/Trade acquisition* - EJ
Barrie - Hejda
Wilson - Obrien
Hunwick

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Most people here want us to take Jones with our 1st, and while I wouldn't be against it either I personally don't like taking a Dman with that high of a pick. It just seems like more of a risk then taking a forward. And given that we still need a Top flight Winger as well as a Top Dman, I would rather solve our Winger issue with our 1st this year then a Dman. Although at the end of the day as long as we have a Top 3 pick, I don't care who we take.

As for the UFA/Trade acquisition piece. If we get that piece via trade it will have to include our 2014 1st + a nice prospect or pick, but I would make that deal for the right player(Kulikov, Yandle, maybe Myers and Voynov). And if we get that player via UFA, my options primarily would be Smid, Streit, and Visnovsky.


Other then that, I don't expect a whole lot of moves from the Avs. I wouldn't but out Jones yet, give him another year to see what he can do. Move the bottom pairing Pylons we have for whatever we can get.

If we can somehow package Jones + Obyrne/Zanon + a 3rd for a 1st, I would do that, other wise we should keep Jones IMO. In this case if we do move Jones, I'd like to see us go after Clarkson, Clowe, Ryder, or Macarthur to fill that empty spot. Maybe Sgarbossa or Hishon if we don't sign any of those guys.

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03-26-2013, 02:51 PM
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Here's my simple reasoning for wanting Jones over a forward...

We need an elite scoring forward, but we have secondary scorers. We need an elite defenseman, and we have almost nothing but complete clowns up and down our D depth chart.

I think the most pressing need continues to be a franchise horse.

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03-26-2013, 02:56 PM
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Here's my simple reasoning for wanting Jones over a forward...

We need an elite scoring forward, but we have secondary scorers. We need an elite defenseman, and we have almost nothing but complete clowns up and down our D depth chart.

I think the most pressing need continues to be a franchise horse.
I'll second this and add that we can find enough scoring to win games. If this team gets healthy, as it sits there are 5-7 guys who have the ability to score 20g consistently. 2 of those have 30+g ability. In today's NHL that is enough scoring.

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03-26-2013, 02:58 PM
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Here's my simple reasoning for wanting Jones over a forward...

We need an elite scoring forward, but we have secondary scorers. We need an elite defenseman, and we have almost nothing but complete clowns up and down our D depth chart.

I think the most pressing need continues to be a franchise horse.

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03-26-2013, 03:28 PM
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That would be horrible.
Roy as a coach and GM would fail horribly. I don't like your Stastny trade. Keep Elliott.
And stay away from freaking Bozak and Raymond.

Why amnesty Jones only to get Raymond? Money waste.


The only thing I really like is the selling of Kroenke and the house cleaning.

If we overpay in FA, might as well overpay Smid.
Lol surely you're not going to dive into your 'asset management' reasoning again are you You don't like the Stastny trade? What's not to like, Jack Johnson is playing the best hockey of his career and looking like a top pairing defenseman

Roy as coach and GM would fail how exactly? Roy won't coach if he's taking orders from someone else, and looking at Roy's track record in Quebec, I like what I see

Tyler Bozak is a cheaper version of Paul Stastny, not sure what you hate, and why amnesty Jones for Raymond? Because one of those players actually is a useful hockey player, and the other is absolutely awful. I'll give you a hint, the latter isn't Raymond

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03-26-2013, 03:37 PM
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I just want to add that the thought of seeing Mason Raymond in an Avs jersey makes me throw up a little.

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I just want to add that the thought of seeing Mason Raymond in an Avs jersey makes me throw up a little.
Lol I understand that but if it came down to Jones or having a chance to sign Raymond and him willing, sign me up for Mason Raymond

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Landeskog is not a better McGinn, they are completely different players. Landeskog is not just a shooter or forechecker, he's a defensively smart power forward that can shoot, pass and grind with the best of them. McGinn is more of a younger, less impressive Ryan Smyth. For us he hasn't been the banger Sharks fans claimed him to be, but he's made a lot of room for his linemates and he has a nice release that both Duchy and PAP can find him for.
Much, much, much less impressive.

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03-26-2013, 07:08 PM
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What? Smid would be an amazing upgrade on our defense. He is like the prime version of Jan Hejda.

Next year
Smid - Johnson
Hejda - Barrie
O'Brien - Jones

AHL
Siemens
Elliott
I get it--he's good, but I just think in order to wrest him away from the Oilers (and anyone else for that matter) it'll take stupid money, and I don't think he's worth a gross overpayment on a long-term contract.

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Here's my simple reasoning for wanting Jones over a forward...

We need an elite scoring forward, but we have secondary scorers. We need an elite defenseman, and we have almost nothing but complete clowns up and down our D depth chart.

I think the most pressing need continues to be a franchise horse.
Seconded.

Jones is what this team needs, but I don't think the Avs will finish below FLA. Jones seems like the consensus number one pick right now.

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I'm not so sure Florida drafts Jones, even at #1.

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03-26-2013, 08:11 PM
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I'm not so sure Florida drafts Jones, even at #1.
Agreed. With Kulikov and Gudbranson there, and Campbell for another few years, they need offense more then Defense.

I think they take Drouin if they end up 1st overall.

My personal Top 5 in order would be:

Drouin
Jones
Mack
Barkov
Shinkaruk


But, if we don't end up with a Top 3 pick, I would like to see us move down to the 7-9 range. IMO After the Top 3 4-10 are all fairly close to one another. If we can move down and maybe pick up another late 1st(CBJ could potentially be a trade partner for this) or decent prospect I would do it.

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03-26-2013, 08:40 PM
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The idea of a UFA top 6 forward or top 2 D is not appealing to me. Here's why:

1: UFAs will not want to sign with this team. I do not believe players are dying to play for the burgandy and blue.
2: UFAs are largely overpaid (JONES!!!!)
3: UFAs are known for underproducing (mainly because they are overpaid to begin with)
4: I would much rather grow our own crop and see where we can go from there

There is no doubt that this draft will be very important; not only for our first round pick, but also for our depth picks. In the last 4 years, we've had 4 second round picks ( Pickard, Elliot, Heard and ROR) and 3 thirds (Barrie, Bournival and Bourke)

Out of those picks, ROR, Elliot, Barrie and Pickard all have legitimate NHL potential within the next year or two. The others remain to be seen. We need to draft appropriately and well in this VERY deep draft.

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Here's my simple reasoning for wanting Jones over a forward...

We need an elite scoring forward, but we have secondary scorers. We need an elite defenseman, and we have almost nothing but complete clowns up and down our D depth chart.

I think the most pressing need continues to be a franchise horse.
While I agree with you that our D is horrendous, and a strong case can be made for Jones at #1, you do not draft within the top 5 by needs. You draft the best player available. You can bet that if we get first overall, and we draft Jones, or Mackinnnon, or Drouin; it won't be because we need them, it'll because the scouting staff believes they are the BEST available player.

Needs are satisfied with depth 1st via trade or whatever or with our second round pick. I strongly believe that second round draft pick will be the best puck moving Dman available.

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