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03-26-2013, 08:48 PM
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The idea of a UFA top 6 forward or top 2 D is not appealing to me. Here's why:

1: UFAs will not want to sign with this team. I do not believe players are dying to play for the burgandy and blue.
2: UFAs are largely overpaid (JONES!!!!)
3: UFAs are known for underproducing (mainly because they are overpaid to begin with)
4: I would much rather grow our own crop and see where we can go from there

There is no doubt that this draft will be very important; not only for our first round pick, but also for our depth picks. In the last 4 years, we've had 4 second round picks ( Pickard, Elliot, Heard and ROR) and 3 thirds (Barrie, Bournival and Bourke)

Out of those picks, ROR, Elliot, Barrie and Pickard all have legitimate NHL potential within the next year or two. The others remain to be seen. We need to draft appropriately and well in this VERY deep draft.
Also agreed to an extent. UFA's do tend to be overpaid, however the Avs seem to have done pretty well with their recent UFA signings, at least as far not overpaying or taking any big risks. PAP and Mitchell look arguably like 2 of the best free agent signings of last summer. Anderson a couple years ago was a great signing, Hejda has been pretty good for us. And the only free agent missteps have been ones that aren't franchise hurting mistakes like Connolly, Leino, Komisarek were.

Avs are smart with their money. Some say that's the Avs being stingy and just a sign that were an internal budget team, I don't think so. We just don't spend a lot of money on mediocre players.


As for the draft, it certainly has the potential to really boost the franchise in a good direction. A Top 3 pick all but ensures another really good young player to this team(regardless of who it is), and with the Avs recent drafting success in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, we could find some more solid pieces for the team from those picks. If we can find a way to aquire another 2nd, 3rd or even 1st rounder, it would be even better for us.

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I'm not so sure Florida drafts Jones, even at #1.
Tallon will draft the player who he thinks is the BPA. Positional balance throughout the roster makes zero difference to his approach. Now whether he feels Jones is the best player available is up for debate though.

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Tallon will draft the player who he thinks is the BPA. Positional balance throughout the roster makes zero difference to his approach. Now whether he feels Jones is the best player available is up for debate though.
I really have a strong feeling that Florida is going to take Nathan MacKinnon, I can see Stephen Weiss walking in free agency and them realizing that a potential 1-2 combo of Hubredeau and MacKinnon for the next potentially 10-15 years is too good to pass up

Edit: If that happens, I think Florida can compare to Colorado in terms of centre depth with us having Duchene, O'Reilly and Stastny, and the Panthers having Hubredeau, MacKinnon and Matthias

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Florida has needs all over the place. I wouldn't be surprised if they took Jones 1st overall.

I'm going to assume we end up taking Drouin just for the hell of it:

Drouin - Duchene - Parenteau
Landeskog - O'Reilly - Downie
McGinn - Stastny - Jones
McLeod - Mitchell - Olver/Bordeleau

Hejda - Barrie
Scuderi - Johnson
Elliott - O'Brien/Wilson

Boy it'd be GREAT if Hunwick and Zanon were gone by the time 2013-14 rolled around, but I doubt that'll happen.

In this scenario I imagine Stastny gets dealt, maybe one of Wilson/O'Brien if for whatever reason Siemens proves himself to be ready.

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03-27-2013, 02:42 AM
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Didn't know where to put this. Apparently this article says something about Hejduk retiring.

I really hope he makes the decision official before his last game and not in the summer. Thank him off like we did with Adam Foote.

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Here's my simple reasoning for wanting Jones over a forward...

We need an elite scoring forward, but we have secondary scorers. We need an elite defenseman, and we have almost nothing but complete clowns up and down our D depth chart.

I think the most pressing need continues to be a franchise horse.
I second that but our first priority is: Saco needs to go.

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Sgarbossa/Hishon are the wild cards, The Boss even moreso. We should be hopeful with their progressions.

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Sgarbossa/Hishon are the wild cards, The Boss even moreso. We should be hopeful with their progressions.
Sure, I even thought about putting them in my lineup, but I imagine they'll need one full year in the A before they're ready. Hishon maybe sooner (be kind, hockey gods), who knows.

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Sure, I even thought about putting them in my lineup, but I imagine they'll need one full year in the A before they're ready. Hishon maybe sooner (be kind, hockey gods), who knows.
Oh, I agree, but they are nice options to have that really push the other options to perform. Quite hopeful about these two, and the fact that we have bangers like Landy/O'Ry/Downie/Ginner to compliment them will allow them to really shine.

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I really have a strong feeling that Florida is going to take Nathan MacKinnon, I can see Stephen Weiss walking in free agency and them realizing that a potential 1-2 combo of Hubredeau and MacKinnon for the next potentially 10-15 years is too good to pass up

Edit: If that happens, I think Florida can compare to Colorado in terms of centre depth with us having Duchene, O'Reilly and Stastny, and the Panthers having Hubredeau, MacKinnon and Matthias
And Bjugstad. Shore. Maybe Grimaldi and Trocheck.

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03-27-2013, 09:06 AM
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I really have a strong feeling that Florida is going to take Nathan MacKinnon, I can see Stephen Weiss walking in free agency and them realizing that a potential 1-2 combo of Hubredeau and MacKinnon for the next potentially 10-15 years is too good to pass up

Edit: If that happens, I think Florida can compare to Colorado in terms of centre depth with us having Duchene, O'Reilly and Stastny, and the Panthers having Hubredeau, MacKinnon and Matthias
I still wouldn't rule them out taking Jones. They have Shore, and I truly think they'll trade or sign another top-six center (Stastny?). After that, even if they choose to play Huberdeau exclusively at LW, they still have a decent, if not spectacular, center corps.

If they take MacKinnon I could see them dealing Matthias. I wouldn't mind him in our lineup if we choose to deal Stastny.

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I still wouldn't rule them out taking Jones. They have Shore, and I truly think they'll trade or sign another top-six center (Stastny?). After that, even if they choose to play Huberdeau exclusively at LW, they still have a decent, if not spectacular, center corps.

If they take MacKinnon I could see them dealing Matthias. I wouldn't mind him in our lineup if we choose to deal Stastny.
I wouldn't mind a deal involving Stastny and Matthias with a little bit more coming from Florida. Matthias seems like he's a "whatever it takes to win" kind of player, and from his sound bites this season, makes it seem like he isn't too fond of the culture in Florida

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And Bjugstad. Shore. Maybe Grimaldi and Trocheck.
Mac is better than all of them. Hubie will play LW. Bjustad can be a good #2C and Shore can be a good #2C, neither is a #1.

It will probably be between Mac and Jones for them.

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Mac is better than all of them. Hubie will play LW. Bjustad can be a good #2C and Shore can be a good #2C, neither is a #1.

It will probably be between Mac and Jones for them.
I don't know about that, I mean its never fun for a player to get moved from their natural position. He just doesn't look comfortable on the wing from what I've seen, especially in the world juniors he seemed to struggle on the wing.

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-With a new coach
-Without any major $ FA signings due to the number of contracts coming due in a year
-Drafting and signing Drouin to a deal similar to Landeskog

I would not mind seeing 2013-2014 start this way.

Jonathan Drouin ($3.575m) / Matt Duchene ($3.500m) / P-A Parenteau ($4.000m)
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.000m) / Steve Downie ($2.650m)
Jamie McGinn ($1.750m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / David Jones ($4.000m)
Cody McLeod ($1.150m) / John Mitchell ($1.100m) / Aaron Palushaj ($0.660m)
Patrick Bordeleau ($0.600m) / Mark Olver ($0.600m) /

38.760m


Ryan Wilson ($2.250m) / Erik Johnson ($3.750m)
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Tyson Barrie ($0.900m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.600m) / Shane O'Brien ($2.000m)
Greg Zanon ($2.250m) /

16m

Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.500m)

4.333m

59.093m total (added full value of Landeskog and Drouin @ 3.575m each)
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Assuming the new coach creates a better and more successful environment for the team, I think this is at least a bubble team.

While not ideal:
-It does allow for the 3C experiment. (the 4th line does not really look too bad either)
-Gives time to evaluate and resign ROR/Stastny along with other core RFAs and UFAs
-Still allows for 1 of ROR or Stastny to be moved for an upgrade at defense if deemed necessary.
-Allows Elliott, Siemens, Sgarbossa, and Hishon to get plenty of playing time in the AHL to develop, while leaving room for them to get called up as needed.

Deadline candidates for trading away (non-core expiring deals only)
-ROR/Stastny (I prefer neither. nor are both likely moved, but strong possibility exists 1 gets moved)
-Hunwick
-Zanon
-Mitchell
-Olver
-Giguere

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-With a new coach
-Without any major $ FA signings due to the number of contracts coming due in a year
-Drafting and signing Drouin to a deal similar to Landeskog

I would not mind seeing 2013-2014 start this way.

Jonathan Drouin ($3.575m) / Matt Duchene ($3.500m) / P-A Parenteau ($4.000m)
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.000m) / Steve Downie ($2.650m)
Jamie McGinn ($1.750m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / David Jones ($4.000m)
Cody McLeod ($1.150m) / John Mitchell ($1.100m) / Aaron Palushaj ($0.660m)
Patrick Bordeleau ($0.600m) / Mark Olver ($0.600m) /

38.760m


Ryan Wilson ($2.250m) / Erik Johnson ($3.750m)
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Tyson Barrie ($0.900m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.600m) / Shane O'Brien ($2.000m)
Greg Zanon ($2.250m) /

16m

Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.500m)

4.333m

59.093m total (added full value of Landeskog and Drouin @ 3.575m each)
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Assuming the new coach creates a better and more successful environment for the team, I think this is at least a bubble team.

While not ideal:
-It does allow for the 3C experiment. (the 4th line does not really look too bad either)
-Gives time to evaluate and resign ROR/Stastny along with other core RFAs and UFAs
-Still allows for 1 of ROR or Stastny to be moved for an upgrade at defense if deemed necessary.
-Allows Elliott, Siemens, Sgarbossa, and Hishon to get plenty of playing time in the AHL to develop, while leaving room for them to get called up as needed.

Deadline candidates for trading away (non-core expiring deals only)
-ROR/Stastny (I prefer neither. nor are both likely moved, but strong possibility exists 1 gets moved)
-Hunwick
-Zanon
-Mitchell
-Olver
-Giguere
As I said in an earlier thread, that roster will score a ton and be fun to watch, the offense will win some 6-5 games, Varlamov will steal a few more, and they will get shredded defensively all season long. Looks like a 9-11th place team to me.

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Wilson on the top pairing again? He's not good enough to play big minutes against the other team's best players every night. He's also injury prone and we'll most likely see Zanon on the top pairing after 10-15 games. Avs would be dumb to trust Wilson in that role again.

If they bring the same defense back again next season, expect another terrible season.

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Wilson on the top pairing again? He's not good enough to play big minutes against the other team's best players every night. He's also injury prone and we'll most likely see Zanon on the top pairing after 10-15 games. Avs would be dumb to trust Wilson in that role again.

If they bring the same defense back again next season, expect another terrible season.
Don't worry. Jones, the softer EJ, will be there!!!

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Don't worry. Jones, the softer EJ, will be there!!!
Players don't even have to be drafted or Avs property before some fans here will start complaining about them.

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Wilson on the top pairing again? He's not good enough to play big minutes against the other team's best players every night. He's also injury prone and we'll most likely see Zanon on the top pairing after 10-15 games. Avs would be dumb to trust Wilson in that role again.

If they bring the same defense back again next season, expect another terrible season.
I just put it together without trying to guess any FA signings. The D crop is poor this year, and unless the Avs try and obtain a RFA, I get a sense that that is the D corps we are stuck with.

IMO, Wilson can play with EJ about 18-20 minutes, and EJ (in a way double shifting) can be sent out with Hunwick for another 4-5 minutes. (at least that is how I envisioned it without adding a true top partner for EJ) I know we are screwed if Wilson is hurt more often than not though.

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Adding to my thought.

Our D is not that much different from 11-12. While it was not great in 11-12, it was not this bad. Zanon is not capable of making everyone worse. This falls on coaching strategy/pairings and overall poorer play from all of them.

11-12
1 Jan Hejda 81 5 14 19 -17
2 Shane O'Brien 76 3 17 20 +2
3 Ryan O'Byrne 74 1 6 7 -5
4 Erik Johnson 73 4 22 26 -7
5 Ryan Wilson 59 1 20 21 +11
6 Kyle Quincey 54 5 18 23 -1
7 Stefan Elliott 39 4 9 13 +2
8 Matt Hunwick 33 3 3 6 -3
9 Tyson Barrie 10 0 0 0 -2

12-13
1 Jan Hejda 34 0 9 9 -3
2 Ryan O'Byrne 34 1 3 4 -8
3 Matt Hunwick 32 0 6 6 +4
4 Greg Zanon 32 0 4 4 -11
5 Erik Johnson 25 0 4 4 -2
6 Tyson Barrie 20 2 6 8 -3
7 Shane O'Brien 20 0 2 2 -2
8 Ryan Wilson 12 0 3 3 +4
9 Stefan Elliott 7 0 0 0 -5

Wilson is an asset to this defense, and his absence puts everyone out of proper placement.


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Adding to my thought.

Our D is not that much different from 11-12. While it was not great in 11-12, it was not this bad. Zanon is not capable of making everyone worse. This falls on coaching strategy/pairings and overall poorer play from all of them.

11-12
1 Jan Hejda 81 5 14 19 -17
2 Shane O'Brien 76 3 17 20 +2
3 Ryan O'Byrne 74 1 6 7 -5
4 Erik Johnson 73 4 22 26 -7
5 Ryan Wilson 59 1 20 21 +11
6 Stefan Elliott 39 4 9 13 +2
7 Matt Hunwick 33 3 3 6 -3
8 Tyson Barrie 10 0 0 0 -2

12-13
1 Jan Hejda 34 0 9 9 -3
2 Ryan O'Byrne 34 1 3 4 -8
3 Matt Hunwick 32 0 6 6 +4
4 Greg Zanon 32 0 4 4 -11
5 Erik Johnson 25 0 4 4 -2
6 Tyson Barrie 20 2 6 8 -3
7 Shane O'Brien 20 0 2 2 -2
8 Ryan Wilson 12 0 3 3 +4
9 Stefan Elliott 7 0 0 0 -5

Wilson is an asset to this defense, and his absence puts everyone out of proper placement.
Quincey for a large portion of the season, and Zannon are the personnel differences. While O'Byrne coming in to this season a completely different player also contributed to our defensive downfall as well.

We had ranked 11th in goals against last season, so I agree with you somewhat, but we do need at least one more top 4 left handed guy. I'd like to see Scuderi as others have said now that Smid is off the table.

Zannon/Hunwick - EJ
Hejda - O'Byrne (The bad version)
O'Brien - Barrie

Wilson (out for most of the season)

vs

Quincey - EJ
Hejda - O'Byrne (The good version
Wilson - O'Brien
Hunwick/Barrie

The biggest difference is the loss of a top 4 left handed defender. We needed to replace Quincey, and we got Zannon...

(Sacco has handled our defense like **** as well, we would have been fine if he had just kept Barrie & Hejda together and put Wilson & EJ together when everyone got healthy, giving those four the majority of the minutes. But instead he sent Barrie down and continued to give Hunwick 20+ minutes a night. Fuqing moron...)

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I'd like to see Scuderi as others have said now that Smid is off the table.


(Sacco has handled our defense like **** as well, we would have been fine if he had just kept Barrie & Hejda together and put Wilson & EJ together when everyone got healthy, giving those four the majority of the minutes. But instead he sent Barrie down and continued to give Hunwick 20+ minutes a night. Fuqing moron...)
Can't believe I forgot Quincey. Think my bitter resentment of him took over. Will fix.

I like Scuderi too for 1 year (2 years max). Afraid he'll look to more of a contender though if he is not retained by the Kings, so Avs would need to win him with a big $ offer. That could cause a problem if the deal is 2 years when there is a lot of contracts due to be signed next year.

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Can't believe I forgot Quincey. Think my bitter resentment of him took over. Will fix.

I like Scuderi too for 1 year (2 years max). Afraid he'll look to more of a contender though if he is not retained by the Kings, so Avs would need to win him with a big $ offer. That could cause a problem if the deal is 2 years when there is a lot of contracts due to be signed next year.
Yeah, Quincey is a **** but going from him to Zannon is a pretty huge downgrade. Along with having Wilson out even more this year than last.

On Scuderi, we could spend 5M on a defender and be fine. (Have no idea what Scuderi would get) Even if the deal was two years, unless Duchene, Stastny and O'Reilly all want 6.6M per year lol. If that happens Stastny or O'Reilly will be shipped out and we'd still be fine.

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Yeah, Quincey is a **** but going from him to Zannon is a pretty huge downgrade. Along with having Wilson out even more this year than last.

On Scuderi, we could spend 5M on a defender and be fine. (Have no idea what Scuderi would get) Even if the deal was two years, unless Duchene, Stastny and O'Reilly all want 6.6M per year lol. If that happens Stastny or O'Reilly will be shipped out and we'd still be fine.
Scuderi could probably get 4-4.5 mil in FA this year.

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