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[BOS/NYI] Tim Thomas traded to Islanders for conditional 2nd in '14 or '15

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02-07-2013, 04:47 PM
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Question is--IS Thomas reporting or is this just about bruins moving a large contract to give them breathing room for another movie?
I really doubt he is reporting. It will be really interesting if he does, though. I kinda hope he does just for the crazy speculation it would bring about, plus I like watching him play.

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Though it is still like giving up assets for the privilege of paying more money. Typically it is the reverse, a team like Boston paying to unload cap space. You would think that the price would be cheaper for the Islanders given how much this helps Boston as well. It is a pure grand slam for the Bruins. It might be a win for the Islanders, depending on what they actually do with it. If they don't make any significant moves and just sit on the contract, it will end up a head scratcher.

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That would be a pretty major dick move on the part of the Isles if they decided to toll the contract of a player whom they knew before the trade was in the middle of a planned year off from hockey and will be a UFA in just a few months.

That being said, if there's one player who deserves to have such a scenario happen to him, it's Tim Thomas.
Of course the Isles are going to toll the contract. That's the reason why they did this deal. TT has said he's taking the year off, but if he wants to play next season then it will have to be for the Isles.

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Isles could have had Komisarek for a 2nd and actually gotten a player.
But they'd actually have to pay him.

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Kovy's cap controversy caused the Devils to lose 3 million cash and a 1st rder.

Frankly, this seems more a slap in the face and an arrogant move. If I was Lou in NJ, I'd call Gary and go. 'Um, you remember what happened with Kovy? Well, take a look at this."
The difference is that New Jersey would have gained an unfair advantage from Kovalchuk's contract that the other 29 teams don't have (at least not to that extent).

Using $4 million in cap space on a player that won't play for them isn't giving New York any type of advantage. It's actually going to allow them to ice a worse team.

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Of course the Isles are going to toll the contract. That's the reason why they did this deal. TT has said he's taking the year off, but if he wants to play next season then it will have to be for the Isles.
Unless of coarse he decided to return to hockey in April then we really get screwed. lol

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Yeah.. Can someone explain this?
You sign a contract, you must play. Thomas signed a contract, so he has to play. He decided he wanted to be with his family and take a year off, and Boston respected his decision 100%. Now with NYI, they can force Thomas to play, if he doesn't, they can suspend him and toll, which means make up for it next year. If he doesn't play next year, then NYI can toll again, free 5m cap filled. Thomas can end the shenanigans by retiring.

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The point of the salary cap is to level the playing field between the financial haves and have-nots. As such, the league has attemptef to eliminate artificially lowered cap hits, as they represent a huge advantage to the rich teams. However, artificially raised cap hits provide an advantage to poorer teams, as they can reach the cap floor without having to pay - and thus lose - more money.

Basically, in the NHL, it's only cap circumvention if it gives a rich team an edge over a poor team. This works the opposite way, so the league doesn't care.
The upper limit is there for the reason you mention, but why even have a lower limit, if it serves no purpose? There is a reason the NHL wants teams to reach the cap floor.

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Knew this would happen with Isles eventually from the day I heard Thomas' caphit would count but wouldn't get paid.

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Though it is still like giving up assets for the privilege of paying more money. Typically it is the reverse, a team like Boston paying to unload cap space. You would think that the price would be cheaper for the Islanders given how much this helps Boston as well.
How could the price possibly be cheaper than nothing?

The more I think about it though, you can see a team like the Isles giving up, say, a 5th in exchange for cap hit. Say the Red Wings go out and sign Lidstrom to a 5 year $25M deal, fully aware he's retired and he'll never play, and trade that to the Islanders instead of this for a 5th rounder. It's blatant cap circumvention.

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The difference is that New Jersey would have gained an unfair advantage from Kovalchuk's contract that the other 29 teams don't have (at least not to that extent).

Using $4 million in cap space on a player that won't play for them isn't giving New York any type of advantage. It's actually going to allow them to ice a worse team.
New York is getting an advantage in that it can pay less to ice its team than is required by the CBA. The same rules should apply to both ends of the salary cap.

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You sign a contract, you must play. Thomas signed a contract, so he has to play. He decided he wanted to be with his family and take a year off, and Boston respected his decision 100%. Now with NYI, they can force Thomas to play, if he doesn't, they can suspend him and toll, which means make up for it next year. If he doesn't play next year, then NYI can toll again, free 5m cap filled. Thomas can end the shenanigans by retiring.
FWIW - Boston already suspended him this year.

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Unless of coarse he decided to return to hockey in April then we really get screwed. lol
The Islanders can't get forced into putting him in the line up. The worst that could happen is Wang might actually have to pay him if he decides to come back.

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this is blatant salary cap circumvention that should not be allowed, and it's much more egregious than the kovalchuk contract
+ This.

Islanders continue to be a joke.

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Isles could have had Komisarek for a 2nd and actually gotten a player.
its conditional.......they didnt trade a 2nd unless Thomas plays for them

I bet they toll the contract which will be a hoot

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Of course the Isles are going to toll the contract. That's the reason why they did this deal. TT has said he's taking the year off, but if he wants to play next season then it will have to be for the Isles.
Ouch! Stickin it to Timmay.

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New York is getting an advantage in that it can pay less to ice its team than is required by the CBA. The same rules should apply to both ends of the salary cap.
How is that an advantage? They are wasting $4 million in cap space on a player who isn't even going to play for them. There's no possible way that can improve their team.

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The Islanders can't get forced into putting him in the line up. The worst that could happen is Wang might actually have to pay him if he decides to come back.
Well hopefully Snow made sure it wasn't he decides to come back and it's he plays at least 1 game

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How is that an advantage? They are wasting $4 million in cap space on a player who isn't even going to play for them. There's no possible way that can improve their team.
Well it's not like we don't have capspace to spare. As I pointed out above, with TT on the roster we can trade all our big name veterans at the deadline if we out of the playoffs. That is the only real advantage it gives us.

All that being said the only real negative is it seem like a rather bush league move

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because we got screwed on the other end of this when there wasn't even a ****ing rule in place, and now the isles are BLATANTLY circumventing the salary rules in the CBA and the league isn't going to do a thing about it.

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Amazing that the Bruins could clear up that $$. Nice move.

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The difference is that New Jersey would have gained an unfair advantage from Kovalchuk's contract that the other 29 teams don't have (at least not to that extent).

Using $4 million in cap space on a player that won't play for them isn't giving New York any type of advantage. It's actually going to allow them to ice a worse team.
The didn`t create a cap floor to go along with the upper limit just so that Boston could get conditional picks for bad contracts though. It is a rule for a reason just as much. It prevents owners from pulling out all the profits while icing a non-competitive team. Now, maybe they are not doing this and maybe there are good reasons, but the whole structure is not there simply to insure the rights of the poor teams, it is to keep the league competitive.

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I hope one CBA we can finally eliminate most of these obvious cap circumvention loopholes.

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How did they even get a 2nd if he's not reporting????
Edit: Duh...that must be the condition.

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What an absolute joke of an organization. Taking on cap hit (without the requirement to actually pay the salary of course) AND (conditionally) giving up a pick for the right to do so. Talk about a team that's not only trying to cheat the cap system, but isn't even trying to ice a competitive team while doing it - they probably could have gotten Boston to throw in a pick for the cap relief if they were half competent.

From TSN: "The move puts the Islanders above the cap floor and the team can choose to toll the contract so they can keep using the cap hit in perpetuity if Thomas doesn't come back"

I hope the NHL vetoes the trade and fines both teams for this sham, although technically Boston didn't really do anything wrong other than aid NYI in their circumvention of the floor.

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I also have to imagine that th NHLPA is going to be up in arms about this, since there's essentially $5M that will not be available to players in perpetuity.

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