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02-09-2013, 03:58 PM
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As a van fan I would like to take the time to thank all the leafs fans in their concern for our team, however, we will not being giving you Lu for free. Thank you.
It's nice to have so many other fans so concerned about our team

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As a van fan I would like to take the time to thank all the leafs fans in their concern for our team, however, we will not being giving you Lu for free. Thank you.
As a Toronto fan, I would prefer if Lu didn't come to Toronto and I'm not saying he should be for free. I'm a hockey fan and try to follow the interesting topics, whether I'm a fan of the team or not.

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Forgetting about who's leaving, there is only 3.9 mill to sign 10 players. Isn't that below the league min salary for each player?
there have been many rosters made on the Canuck's board, we can trim our team to accommodate the erroneous 5.3 million cap hit that Luongo brings to the table

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It's nice to have so many other fans so concerned about our team
It's the least we can do; after all the attention Vancouver inhabitants consistently and constantly show towards the Leafs and our city.

Enough with the warm feelings; it's time to go back to monitoring the sports channels Toronto created; then complaining they are Toronto centric. The "Oh those poor Canucks; no one is looking!" chapter can get back to business!

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there have been many rosters made on the Canuck's board, we can trim our team to accommodate the erroneous 5.3 million cap hit that Luongo brings to the table
The problem is that they are all worse than your current roster; which was not good enough.

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The problem is that they are all worse than your current roster; which was not good enough.
Are they? Cause Ballard and Malhotra are the players that make this team what they are

Jensen coming over next year will be vying for a top 6 spot, the kid is legit. Kassian will be improving, it's no big deal.

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The problem is that they are all worse than your current roster; which was not good enough.
Good enough for what? A Leafs fan talking down another teams roster

Vancouver has been in "cap trouble" for several years now. Somehow the cap wizard Gilman makes it work, no doubt he will do so again.

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Ballard is just the start. You're going to have to trim about 10 mil. Can't this be considered as Russian Roulette?

If you think the offers are low now, wait until the off season.
first of all, who cares if the offers are lower in the offseason? You still have him for this year, where the Canucks are setup for another run for the Cup. That is more important than giving away a key roster player for futures just because you think you're going to get lower offers in the offseason.

I don't think some fans truly grasp this concept here. We aren't the Leafs, but it seems many Leafs fans are looking at the Canucks situation through those Leafs coloured glasses. We aren't looking to maximize return on an asset so we can have more hope for the future. Our future is now. And if that means you keep Luongo for a Cup run, and then give him away for peanuts in the offseason, instead of taking slightly more peanuts now, it's a no-brainer. You keep the roster options that give you the best chance for a Cup run now.

Secondly, the Canucks cap situation is constantly getting over-blown. Luongo and Schneider were never long-term plans to keep in Vancouver. One of them - likely Luongo - will get traded. The question is when. Do you trade him now so you can add a couple pieces to the cupboard which may help you one day down the road, or do you keep him now to give you a better chance to win now? If the return on a trade actually helps the Canucks now, then by all means it makes sense to move him, but if the return does not add a greater impact to this season's team, instead of losing Luongo, then why make the trade? Again, this isn't the Leafs, it's all about this season for the Canucks right now. They are off their best start in several years, and that's without 2 top-6 players in their lineup - both of who are back soon. This is not the year to think about the future, this is the year to ice the most competitive team you can now.

Futhermore, with the Canucks cap situation, people keep pointing to how many roster players are signed and how much cap space is left, yet no one considers just who out of those players are signed. The Canucks top line is locked up. Their second line is locked up. Their 3rd line has 2 players who are UFAs - only one of who needs to be re-signed/replaced, and their bottom line has a couple UFAs. Their top-5 dmen are all locked up, and the only other players needing a contract are RFA #6 in Tanev, and RFA Schroeder, who are both up for their 2nd contracts, while playing bottom pairing minutes on the blueline, or low minutes in a rookie role. To suggest this is some kind of terrible situation to be in, is just ridiculous. All their key players are signed, and they have at least one ELC coming in to replace one of Higgins/Raymond next year in Jensen. So really all they need to do is sign one 3rd line player next year - and maybe not even that if Jensen can prove his ready for a top-9 role (which he may well be).

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Schneider
Luongo

all signed for next season.

the replacements will be - one of Raymond or Higgins, Lappiere, a couple 4th liners. Hardly a huge concern under the cap.

Having said that, there's no doubt that one of the goalies will be gone before the start of next season. The only question is whether you deal one now, or wait until after the season. And given the low-ball offers, or offers that don't help the Canucks at all this season, it makes all the sense in the world to wait till the offseason, even if the offers are lower.

Bottom line, the Canucks cap situation is just fine. And the focus HAS to be on this year, not what return can provide best hope in the future.

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Good enough for what? A Leafs fan talking down another teams roster

Vancouver has been in "cap trouble" for several years now. Somehow the cap wizard Gilman makes it work, no doubt he will do so again.
We might come third in the conference and not get the Presidents trophy


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first of all, who cares if the offers are lower in the offseason? You still have him for this year, where the Canucks are setup for another run for the Cup. That is more important than giving away a key roster player for futures just because you think you're going to get lower offers in the offseason.

I don't think some fans truly grasp this concept here. We aren't the Leafs, but it seems many Leafs fans are looking at the Canucks situation through those Leafs coloured glasses. We aren't looking to maximize return on an asset so we can have more hope for the future. Our future is now. And if that means you keep Luongo for a Cup run, and then give him away for peanuts in the offseason, instead of taking slightly more peanuts now, it's a no-brainer. You keep the roster options that give you the best chance for a Cup run now.

Secondly, the Canucks cap situation is constantly getting over-blown. Luongo and Schneider were never long-term plans to keep in Vancouver. One of them - likely Luongo - will get traded. The question is when. Do you trade him now so you can add a couple pieces to the cupboard which may help you one day down the road, or do you keep him now to give you a better chance to win now? If the return on a trade actually helps the Canucks now, then by all means it makes sense to move him, but if the return does not add a greater impact to this season's team, instead of losing Luongo, then why make the trade? Again, this isn't the Leafs, it's all about this season for the Canucks right now. They are off their best start in several years, and that's without 2 top-6 players in their lineup - both of who are back soon. This is not the year to think about the future, this is the year to ice the most competitive team you can now.

Futhermore, with the Canucks cap situation, people keep pointing to how many roster players are signed and how much cap space is left, yet no one considers just who out of those players are signed. The Canucks top line is locked up. Their second line is locked up. Their 3rd line has 2 players who are UFAs - only one of who needs to be re-signed/replaced, and their bottom line has a couple UFAs. Their top-5 dmen are all locked up, and the only other players needing a contract are RFA #6 in Tanev, and RFA Schroeder, who are both up for their 2nd contracts, while playing bottom pairing minutes on the blueline, or low minutes in a rookie role. To suggest this is some kind of terrible situation to be in, is just ridiculous. All their key players are signed, and they have at least one ELC coming in to replace one of Higgins/Raymond next year in Jensen. So really all they need to do is sign one 3rd line player next year - and maybe not even that if Jensen can prove his ready for a top-9 role (which he may well be).

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kassian
Jensen-Schroeder(RFA)-Hansen
Weise(RFA)

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev(RFA)

Schneider
Luongo

all signed for next season.

the replacements will be - one of Raymond or Higgins, Lappiere, a couple 4th liners. Hardly a huge concern under the cap.

Having said that, there's no doubt that one of the goalies will be gone before the start of next season. The only question is whether you deal one now, or wait until after the season. And given the low-ball offers, or offers that don't help the Canucks at all this season, it makes all the sense in the world to wait till the offseason, even if the offers are lower.

Bottom line, the Canucks cap situation is just fine. And the focus HAS to be on this year, not what return can provide best hope in the future.
Well said.

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The problem is that they are all worse than your current roster; which was not good enough.
Yes, our team lost to a good Bruins team. You never know though, things could have been different if Hamhuis didn't get injured, Rome didn't rally the bruins through his cheapshot move and Kesler didn't have to play on one leg. Being able to play through injuries is something that all teams have to deal with though, but hopefully this year we'll be healthier. I would take Kesler playing on one leg over any of your players in the SCF.

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Yes, our team lost to a good Bruins team. You never know though, things could have been different if Hamhuis didn't get injured, Rome didn't rally the bruins through his cheapshot move and Kesler didn't have to play on one leg. Being able to play through injuries is something that all teams have to deal with though, but hopefully this year we'll be healthier. I would take Kesler playing on one leg over any of your players in the SCF.
I always thought that this was the major reason we didnt win.

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CAL - VAN. Schnider for Iginla

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This would never happen for so many reasons but it does help both teams. Calgary needs to realize there days are over and should start the rebuild with a solid goalie. Kippers days are numbered. Trade him when he comes back for prospect + a 1st. Van gets a top line winger to play with Kesler... He has enough in the tank to be a solid contributor for 2-3 cup runs.

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This would never happen for so many reasons but it does help both teams. Calgary needs to realize there days are over and should start the rebuild with a solid goalie. Kippers days are numbered. Trade him when he comes back for prospect + a 1st. Van gets a top line winger to play with Kesler... He has enough in the tank to be a solid contributor for 2-3 cup runs.

Sedin - Sedin
Kesler - Iginla
Iginla is a rental, and I can't imagine he would re-sign with us. If we trade Schneider, I would like it to be for a young top-6 forward.

It's not terrible, but not a deal we should do, imo.

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So you guys (Canuck fans) seriously believe that your cup window is still wide open?

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Oh yes, such an unbearable situation for both guys and the team






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This would never happen for so many reasons but it does help both teams. Calgary needs to realize there days are over and should start the rebuild with a solid goalie. Kippers days are numbered. Trade him when he comes back for prospect + a 1st. Van gets a top line winger to play with Kesler... He has enough in the tank to be a solid contributor for 2-3 cup runs.

Sedin - Sedin
Kesler - Iginla
How on earth would we fit that under the cap this season, let alone in the future?

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So you guys (Canuck fans) seriously believe that your cup window is still wide open?
Any reason to think otherwise other than hatred of all things Vancouver?

I thought not, thanks again for stopping by.

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Oh yes, such an unbearable situation for both guys and the team
Easy to put on a smile when you know the cameras are watching your every move.

How you feel inside is what really matters. Unless you're saying that Roberto is happy to be not getting the bulk of the starts in the last year or two of his elite years? If so, I'd really have to question his will to win.

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Easy to put on a smile when you know the cameras are watching your every move.

How you feel inside is what really matters. Unless you're saying that Roberto is happy to be not getting the bulk of the starts in the last year or two of his elite years? If so, I'd really have to question his will to win.
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Easy to put on a smile when you know the cameras are watching your every move.

How you feel inside is what really matters. Unless you're saying that Roberto is happy to be not getting the bulk of the starts in the last year or two of his elite years? If so, I'd really have to question his will to win.
Those magic 8 balls are at it again huh?

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Those magic 8 balls are at it again huh?
Sorry man, but Roberto certainly isn't getting any younger.

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Easy to put on a smile when you know the cameras are watching your every move.
Yeah cause they can't genuinely be happy for each other & like each other....

Not surprised that all you bring into this discussion is negativity

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Sorry man, but Roberto certainly isn't getting any younger.
Neither are Tim Thomas or Brodeur...

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Any reason to think otherwise other than hatred of all things Vancouver?

I thought not, thanks again for stopping by.
Many, actually.

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