Been calling for his head for a long time. Need an experienced guy with some discipline. Not a yeller, but a guy who will instill discipline and accountability within a game as well as day to day and who has the credibility to be respected when he does.
Coach can't help this team. They need talent. Get the talent, then get a coach. No coach worth anything will take a job setup for disaster.
This is the answer. We have an AHL roster because Snow sucks and Wang is cheap, we are playing like an AHL team because we are an AHL team. Outside of JT this roster is barely above expansion team level save 3-4 guys.
This is the answer. We have an AHL roster because Snow sucks and Wang is cheap, we are playing like an AHL team because we are an AHL team. Outside of JT this roster is barely above expansion team level save 3-4 guys.
I had this argument with a friend last night and I completely disagree. I'd say this roster has at least comparable talent top to bottom than the team that went to the playoffs in 2006-07. Look how bad that roster was in hindsight from a talent perspective. The main difference? The coach had a system in place and the players were fit to play to that system well. The team had an identity. Capuano has no structure. This team has no identity. He inserts Boulton when he wants to increase the team's physicality when all he's good for is 3 minutes of ice and maybe a fight. Physicality has to come from all four lines and all three d-pairs, not just one or two players. This team simply doesn't have the size or the make-up to be that type of team. They lack the skill top to bottom to be a Detroit-like puck possession team. If they played more defensively responsible, similar to the Devils I guess, and had a coach that was respected and accountable, they'd make progress. They need someone who is a stickler for playing a structured game. This roster could definitely be in the 7-8 range. Aside from last night they've been had a chance to win every game this year, and the efforts been relatively good, yet they're still in the basement. When the players mature and the results stay the same, there's only one explanation. Scott Gordon sucked but at least he had a blueprint. It just wasn't an effective style of play for the NHL and for the players he had. Replace Cappy with someone qualified and the team can finally start to go somewhere. My 2 cents.
The isles have way bigger problems then the coach..
Honestly, when you're down 2 with 2 minutes to go, who cares if you give up an ENG? You're probably > 99% to lose at that point anyway. I'm a rangers fan and have seen torts pull as early as when nabokov was pulled tonight. (Though never when the puck's still in the defensive zone, that would be pretty retarded).
Look at the way the team's managed. What has the ownership done since they took over the team? Spend to the floor, have very public fights about players failing to report, and now they're trading for another team's dead cap space. What an embarrassment.
Complaining about other aspects of his coaching (I wouldn't know anything about that, so I won't pass any judgement here) might be valid, but handling a goalie pull with 2 minutes left to go with 2 goals down has just about no impact on how the team's going to perform. I can't recall ever watching a game with a 2 goal comeback in the last 2 minutes, and I've watched hundreds of games. That situation might happen once or twice a season in the whole league.
You're whole post has nothing to do with the fact that Capuano should be fired.
There have been times this year and last year when the team starts poorly. That's on the coach. An occasional well timed time-out? Don't typically see that. Coming up empty against the Pens on numerous PP's without an adjustment. Not really acceptable. There is no doubt this team would benefit frim better coaching. It would also benefit them to have better players. Neilsen is no 2nd line center. They haven't dressed a defenseman in forever outside of Streit capable of generating any offense. And on and on and on.
I don't blame Cappy nor Snow 100%. Blame squarely wrests on wang's shoulders.
I want to be fair to the guy but he doesn't make it easy. I understand that the roster is not the most desirable so, for the most part, I try not to judge the guy on the outcomes of the games score wise.
In terms of overall effort given by his team he leaves a lot to be desired. Some of his decisions like pulling the goalie when his team doesn't deserve it because of the crap effort they put forth. A coaches decision to pull the goalie for an extra skater is not an entitlement, it's earned by the players on the ice for giving an effort. You do that on a night like tonight it's sends the wrong message.
Preparation is not exactly this guys strong suit. It's rather unfortunate. I think it's what makes him a bad coach. His system just doesn't work either. I don't think he inspires a lot of confidence or demand a lot of respect from the guys in the room either. Otherwise they'd be prepared to play when the puck is dropped instead of skating around in a fog.
The team itself needs an old school hard ass coach. A Mike Keenan or a Par Burns kinda guy. Someone with a flare for some passion behind the bench wouldn't hurt either. That's how you win the hearts of a young team.
I really think over these last few seasons it's evident the kind of coach this team needs. Problem is that if you fire the coach it might send a message to players they can get away with it with next guy.
Minor house cleaning might be in order. Starting with sending Visnovski somewhere else before a cancer gets in the room.
Huh? Pulling a goalie is supposed to be some sort of reward?
Or, to look at the reverse, we're losing, we're playing like crap, guess we're not worthy of trying to win, so I'm gonna sit tight and not try. That'll teach em.
You play to win the game. You pull the goalie because you're losing and desperate, not because your players "earned" it. If they really earned it, you wouldn't need to pull the goalie in the first place.
Question the timing all you want, but if Streit doesn't make an ill-advised cross ice pass in the neutral zone, we're not having this discussion.
If at least he could leave and take Wang and Snow with him. Now THAT would be a positive turnaround for this franchise. Changing Capuano for another Wang/Snow guy is absolutely useless.
Coach can't help this team. They need talent. Get the talent, then get a coach. No coach worth anything will take a job setup for disaster.
Yes. Here's someone who gets it. Al Arbour circa 1980 couldn't get this team to be a playoff team. We have guys like Colin "who in the hell is this" MacDonald taking a regular shift. There is just not nearly any talent here. When John Tavares isn't on the ice I literally feel like we have no shot to score.
Capuano was hired by Snow. Snow was hired by Wang. Let's blame Capuano.
If Capuano should be fired it should be because he's not aware enough to realize that if you lose 40 pounds, you need to buy new suits to reflect that.
If at least he could leave and take Wang and Snow with him. Now THAT would be a positive turnaround for this franchise. Changing Capuano for another Wang/Snow guy is absolutely useless.
Its not about being a servant for Wang. Its about why would any respectable coach want to coach a team that will never spend the money to try and win. Its not worth the effort.
Every coach under Wang has been a servant, except Lavy and Nolan. Lavy was a AHL coach (cheap) the. "Excelled" in the NHL with the isles only to be shown the door when he spoke up to Wang. Nolan was ostracized and reclaimed (cheap) and again spoke up to Wang and was shown the door.
The rest have been servants just taking the job for the opportunity they would only get with NYI bc they are not marketable to other teams beyond assistants.
This team needs an experienced NHL, particularly one with significant playoff experience. Wang does not want to pay for that unless coach salaries count as cap hits...and such a coach sees crap like the Thomas deal as a major fire signal of not wanting to attempt to win.
Yes. Here's someone who gets it. Al Arbour circa 1980 couldn't get this team to be a playoff team. We have guys like Colin "who in the hell is this" MacDonald taking a regular shift. There is just not nearly any talent here. When John Tavares isn't on the ice I literally feel like we have no shot to score.
Capuano was hired by Snow. Snow was hired by Wang. Let's blame Capuano.
I get that Wang is the main problem with this team, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Capuano is a terrible coach. Some of the decisions this guy makes are absolutely mind boggling. He doesn't know how/when to pull a goalie, he rarely ever uses a timeout at the right time or even at all, and he is not very good at holding players accountable.
I hate Tortorella and his system, but one thing I like about him is that he has no problem holding a player accountable and is always right on it. I've only seen us do that with Kyle Okposo once
Huh? Pulling a goalie is supposed to be some sort of reward?
Or, to look at the reverse, we're losing, we're playing like crap, guess we're not worthy of trying to win, so I'm gonna sit tight and not try. That'll teach em.
You play to win the game. You pull the goalie because you're losing and desperate, not because your players "earned" it. If they really earned it, you wouldn't need to pull the goalie in the first place.
Question the timing all you want, but if Streit doesn't make an ill-advised cross ice pass in the neutral zone, we're not having this discussion.
It is a reward. Guys earn that from the coach. It's considered a high risk move and pulling the goalie for the extra attacker is a way of saying, "You may be losing this one but you've played well. Here's some help. I have faith in you and you've earned it."
Find me a good coach that would pull the goalie in the final two minutes with their team playing like this? They couldn't get their act together with the man advantage all night.
I've watched Arbour, Keenan (when he had his **** together and wasn't such a flake), Bowman, Burns, Neilsen etc. All good if not great coached in their own respect. No *** way in hell are the pulling their goalie for the extra attacker in a game like this where the team can't show up prepared to play. It would never happen. Their attitude "You're not going to show up to play this game and help me, I'm not going to pull the goalie for an extra attacker to help you."
I get that Wang is the main problem with this team, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Capuano is a terrible coach.
So, Capuano is terrible coach. Wang is worse, a disaster as an owner. I echo someone's sentiment that Al Arbour could not make anything out of this roster.
It is going to be a loong short season at this rate.
Every coach under Wang has been a servant, except Lavy and Nolan. Lavy was a AHL coach (cheap) the. "Excelled" in the NHL with the isles only to be shown the door when he spoke up to Wang. Nolan was ostracized and reclaimed (cheap) and again spoke up to Wang and was shown the door.
The rest have been servants just taking the job for the opportunity they would only get with NYI bc they are not marketable to other teams beyond assistants.
This team needs an experienced NHL, particularly one with significant playoff experience. Wang does not want to pay for that unless coach salaries count as cap hits...and such a coach sees crap like the Thomas deal as a major fire signal of not wanting to attempt to win.
Neither of those guys "spoke up" to anyone. Laviolette lost the locker room. They had meetings with players and coaches and decided on a course of action. It's not the first time he was fired either. Have a reason why he got fired in Carolina? He won a cup there.
Nolan had friction with Snow mainly because he didn't want to coach a rebuild. That was more of a mutually agreed upon parting. It was unfortunate but the fact of the matter is this team needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. Having Sean Bergenheim as your best propect throughout the system is a sad state of affairs. Tambellini was around the 2nd ranked with Neilsen who was, at the time, considered a project.
If we did things Nolans way this team would be far worse off at this point.
It is a reward. Guys earn that from the coach. It's considered a high risk move and pulling the goalie for the extra attacker is a way of saying, "You may be losing this one but you've played well. Here's some help. I have faith in you and you've earned it."
Find me a good coach that would pull the goalie in the final two minutes with their team playing like this? They couldn't get their act together with the man advantage all night.
I've watched Arbour, Keenan (when he had his **** together and wasn't such a flake), Bowman, Burns, Neilsen etc. All good if not great coached in their own respect. No *** way in hell are the pulling their goalie for the extra attacker in a game like this where the team can't show up prepared to play. It would never happen. Their attitude "You're not going to show up to play this game and help me, I'm not going to pull the goalie for an extra attacker to help you."
That's how it works.
I will respectfully say you're completely wrong. Pulling the goalie is not a reward. It's a last ditch effort. Every single coach will pull the goalie. If not, they should be fired for not trying to win. Arbour, Bowman, and company pulled their goalies every time, regardless of how their team had played that game. Difference is, as great coaches, they would make their players pay a steep price for that bad effort. Bag skate, benching, or whatever, but that steep price would never include sabotaging their own chance to win.
Capuano was not even a good AHL coach and yet only in Islander country could he then be promoted to be an NHL coach!! The sooner he is gone the better!!
Capuano was not even a good AHL coach and yet only in Islander country could he then be promoted to be an NHL coach!! The sooner he is gone the better!!
Neither of those guys "spoke up" to anyone. Laviolette lost the locker room. They had meetings with players and coaches and decided on a course of action. It's not the first time he was fired either. Have a reason why he got fired in Carolina? He won a cup there.
Nolan had friction with Snow mainly because he didn't want to coach a rebuild. That was more of a mutually agreed upon parting. It was unfortunate but the fact of the matter is this team needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. Having Sean Bergenheim as your best propect throughout the system is a sad state of affairs. Tambellini was around the 2nd ranked with Neilsen who was, at the time, considered a project.
If we did things Nolans way this team would be far worse off at this point.
Wow, somebody that actually has a complete grasp on our recent coaching history. The Peca-Yashin friction I would think compromised Lavy's ability to control that room, so I might give him a slight pass and if available I would try to get him back because I feel his on ice strategy is a winning one.
I wouldn't touch Nolan with a ten foot pole. There are reasons why he went such a long time between jobs in Buffalo and Long Island. He undermines the GM and refuses to play young players. He's not the guy to coach this group. Ken Hitchcock would've been a great choice. Look at Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Tarasenko and others.
I've felt that there are 2 reasons causing Wang to stop spending. First, the failure of the Lighthouse project. Second, the handling of Yashin. Whoever (possibly Nolan) convinced Wang to buyout Yashin did the team a major disservice. Basically you've told the owner the player who he spent the most on is holding your team back and then the team completely tanks after he's gone. You're telling him that he's throwing money away when he signs a player to high salaried contract. Meanwhile Wang is still paying the high salary to a guy who probably would've been our best player to stay home while the team becomes the worst team in the league during the Tavares draft year.
Side note; the fact that Bergenheim, Tambellini, Comeau, Frans and Gervais were probably our best and only prospects shows what a complete disaster Snow inherited from Milbury and why the rebuild is taking forever. Garth went to the prospect shelf and it was completely empty.
