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02-12-2013, 09:55 AM
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I like Capuano, I really do, he seems like a nice guy, but right now (as in the past) the Islanders need a REAL coach. The guys (with some exceptions) are playing like a bunch of schoolkids when the substitute is on duty. Its obvious that there's no punishment for poor play(s) (Streit, Okposo, etc..) and no reward for good play (Cizikas, Ullstrom). There is also no excuse for a coach to consistently get caught with his 4th line out against the other team's top line. On top of that to have players who are not defensively minded D-men (Streit and Hickey) out there as well is insane. Its just asking for trouble and it HAS burned them this year. Its also obvious that the players are not motivated come the third period, they want to go home, and THAT is definitely on the coach.

EDIT: Also, Darkhorse, good point. When a coach has no answers how to repair problems with a team that it is time to go because, if he doesn't know how to right things he can't and won't.

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02-12-2013, 09:56 AM
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Blame talent till the cows come home but even with that this team is still talented enough to win most games they show up for.
Umm... No. This team is talented enough to maybe finish 25th overall, that's about it. A lot of things have to go right in order for them to win any game. Virtually every single player on this team is being put into situations that are above them. And many of the players don't even have NHL level talent. The fact of the matter is that they will lose most games they play - no matter how hard they try... Regardless of who is behind the bench. It is what it is

How many coaches will we have to recycle during this, ahem "rebuild" before you poeple realize it's not the coach? We're at over 1/2 dozen by my count. Even assuming Capuano is not qualified (which is a big assumption since he has yet to coach an NHL roster), firing him is like throwing a cup of water on a burning skyscraper. Who cares? It will accomplish nothing - except for maybe further erode whatever miniscule amount of constinency and stability is left in this wretched organization.

Season's over (again).

Where's the draft party?

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02-12-2013, 09:59 AM
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Its also obvious that the players are not motivated come the third period, they want to go home, and THAT is definitely on the coach.
They run out of gas trying to keep up with better, more talented teams.

Can you blame them from wanting to go home?

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They run out of gas trying to keep up with better, more talented teams.

Can you blame them from wanting to go home?
I'll concede that talent is a huge, glaring, elephant in the room issue with this team (sans JT, Hamonic, and a few others), and yes they do run out of gas (partially caused by overplaying players, but again, that's both a coaching and talent issue), but you can't blame giving up multiple goals in the first minute or two of a period on being winded. That's just not being ready for the start of the period, especially when they have a lead. And blown leads is another issue with this team which has many factors to it (coaching, goaltending, laziness, and talent among them).

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getting rid of Capuano is pointless. This team isnt one good coach away from contention. It needs about 8-9 roster players to get there. And whether it's Lava or Stirling or Nolan or Gordon or Capuano or Weight or Herb Brooks, the result is going to be the same.

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02-12-2013, 10:17 AM
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I don't think blame can be put on Cappy or Snow for this teams performance. Cappy does not have much talent to work with and Snow has no budget bring in quality players. Its all Wang. Things will not change until he's out of the picture. Neil Smith = smartest Islander executive ever.

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02-12-2013, 10:48 AM
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I don't think blame can be put on Cappy or Snow for this teams performance. Cappy does not have much talent to work with and Snow has no budget bring in quality players. Its all Wang. Things will not change until he's out of the picture. Neil Smith = smartest Islander executive ever.
Were you around for the Bill Torrey years?

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Were you around for the Bill Torrey years?
Ha!... okay Torrey #1 for building a Dynasty... Smith #2 for getting out of town after realizing what he signed up for

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Ha!... okay Torrey #1 for building a Dynasty... Smith #2 for getting out of town after realizing what he signed up for
He was fired. he did not walk on his own.

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02-12-2013, 11:16 AM
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Umm... No. This team is talented enough to maybe finish 25th overall, that's about it. A lot of things have to go right in order for them to win any game. Virtually every single player on this team is being put into situations that are above them. And many of the players don't even have NHL level talent. The fact of the matter is that they will lose most games they play - no matter how hard they try... Regardless of who is behind the bench. It is what it is

How many coaches will we have to recycle during this, ahem "rebuild" before you poeple realize it's not the coach? We're at over 1/2 dozen by my count. Even assuming Capuano is not qualified (which is a big assumption since he has yet to coach an NHL roster), firing him is like throwing a cup of water on a burning skyscraper. Who cares? It will accomplish nothing - except for maybe further erode whatever miniscule amount of constinency and stability is left in this wretched organization.
it really is this simple.

The person who's most accountable is the owner who simply doesn't spend enough. The evidence is overwhelming in this matter, no need to get specific.

The next person who's most accountable is Snow. Whatever the perceived con$traint$, he's built a team without an identity. He's assembled players that are flawed (one dimensional/limited/whatever) that, as a unit, simply fail to compete. How many coaches will he be allowed to hire until he is held accountable? Furthermore, money aside, he's managed to continue Wang's great work in destroying the Islanders brand. It's not just the lottery finishes, it's in the way other executives have been treated (I won't name names), the media, the fans/season ticket holders - and on top of all that, the team continues to lose on the ice.

Then, sure, Capuano won't be confused with Scotty Bowman. He's been exposed on line matchups more often than not, not that he has much choice other than to play Hamonic & MacDonald all night, and work Tavares to death while he covers for his wingers. He only has a handful of players he can rely on.

I don't blame the players at all. They put in an honest effort, they work as hard as any team I've seen. They just aren't good enough. It's the same as the last five years.

I think Aucoin, McDonald, Ullstrom, Martin, Cizikas, Nielsen, Grabner (especially this year!), Tavares, all the dmen work to death out there. You can argue that Streit has lost his intensity, especially on defense, but he's never been Pronger. Boyes and Moulson have played the same way their whole career.

This season's results were a foregone conclusion simply by looking at the roster at the start of the year. When it was clear that Columbus was worse, on paper, and nobody else. We'll see how things shake out but anyone who expected anything more wasn't looking closely enough.

And the Tim Thomas move puts a gigantic exclamation mark on the disaster this organization is.

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02-12-2013, 11:24 AM
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Lets see here...

PP ranked 4th in the league, Doug Weight is responsible.
PK ranked 3rd in the league, Thompson is responsible.
5 on 5 Goals For/Against ratio is ranked 28th in the league.

Yeah I would say Capuano needs to go right meow.

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02-12-2013, 11:41 AM
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Neil Smith = smartest Islander executive ever.
The guy responsible for drafting Kyle Okposto?

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Were you around for the Bill Torrey years?
Not only him, but Jimmy Devellano is right up there with Torrey as one of the smartest executives the Isles have ever had. Easily.

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I'd give Capuano a pass if I saw him trying.

We've got a big winger with decent hands in Martin and a center who could use some time, space and a bodyguard in Tavares. Yet somehow, Capuano never tries to to pair them up.

We've got two kids in Cizikas and Ullstrom who bust their ass every shift, yet they remain on the lower lines, while Capuano readily admits he's got players sleepwalking.

Yes, AMac and Hamonic are a solid pair, but split them up and you can cover more ice time. Put Hickey with AMac and Streit with Hamonic, while Strait lines up with Viz. Cut down their ice time and get better returns.

The only place he can't do anything is in goal. I get that.

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The guy responsible for drafting Kyle Okposto?
It was a joke .....

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Lets see here...

PP ranked 4th in the league, Doug Weight is responsible.
PK ranked 3rd in the league, Thompson is responsible.
5 on 5 Goals For/Against ratio is ranked 28th in the league.

Yeah I would say Capuano needs to go right meow.
The Isles top five offensive players are among the best in the NHL. The Isles top PK players are also among the best and when Nabby was playing well, the PK was almost perfect.

It's the rest of the players that can't play 5on5.

Moulson, Boyes, Streit are excellent on the PP, with the extra time and space. But those same players, when asked to play 5on5 - SUCK.

On the PK, you can throw Hamonic, MadDonald, Nielsen, Grabs out there and they will be fine. Martin has been amazing on the PK and Bailey looked good there yesterday too.

It's not as simple as you make it out to be. The Islanders are a flawed team that are exposed 5on5. That's on SNOW more than Capuano.

Not defending Cappy, because I don't think he's a very good coach....but how many coaches do we want to see fail on Long Island? Maybe Tim Thomas might help?

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I like Capuano, I really do, he seems like a nice guy, but right now (as in the past) the Islanders need a REAL coach. The guys (with some exceptions) are playing like a bunch of schoolkids when the substitute is on duty. Its obvious that there's no punishment for poor play(s) (Streit, Okposo, etc..) and no reward for good play (Cizikas, Ullstrom). There is also no excuse for a coach to consistently get caught with his 4th line out against the other team's top line. On top of that to have players who are not defensively minded D-men (Streit and Hickey) out there as well is insane. Its just asking for trouble and it HAS burned them this year. Its also obvious that the players are not motivated come the third period, they want to go home, and THAT is definitely on the coach.

EDIT: Also, Darkhorse, good point. When a coach has no answers how to repair problems with a team that it is time to go because, if he doesn't know how to right things he can't and won't.
I agree with everything you've said here. I like Cappy as well, truly a decent person, who is trying his best with what he has (talent and his own lack of coaching knowledge/talent). He just might be too nice a guy. I saw the interview last night, and even with Butchie talking about the Isles for poor 5 on 5 play, and Butchie never talks bad about the Isles, Cappy was asked about the isles 5 on 5 play last night, and not to quote hims word for word, but he said something like "I thought our 5 on 5 play was pretty good". It just shows, that Cappy really has lost all sense of what's going on around him.

I can't blame him completely, when an owner refuses to spend above the cap floor, and refuses to attempt to put a good product on the ice. This team talent wise, is worse than last years (losing PA Parenteau really hurt). Vis is a nice addition to the PP, but realistically, I had to laugh when I saw Snow in an interview prior to the start of the season saying "Playoffs are our goal".

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I like Capuano, I really do, he seems like a nice guy, but right now (as in the past) the Islanders need a REAL coach. The guys (with some exceptions) are playing like a bunch of schoolkids when the substitute is on duty. Its obvious that there's no punishment for poor play(s) (Streit, Okposo, etc..) and no reward for good play (Cizikas, Ullstrom). There is also no excuse for a coach to consistently get caught with his 4th line out against the other team's top line. On top of that to have players who are not defensively minded D-men (Streit and Hickey) out there as well is insane. Its just asking for trouble and it HAS burned them this year. Its also obvious that the players are not motivated come the third period, they want to go home, and THAT is definitely on the coach.

EDIT: Also, Darkhorse, good point. When a coach has no answers how to repair problems with a team that it is time to go because, if he doesn't know how to right things he can't and won't.

The forth line are the best forcheckers and most physical,they have been used against the top line consistently during games..Fact is when the both teams top lines play against each other we usually get scored on, Secondly when the other teams 4th line plays against either of our 2 top lines ..we get scored on. Offense is a team response, not a side show of breakaways. Also small never beats big consistently at this level, yet a small lineup is dressed, when this team adds sandpaper to their top lines things will change.Every good team does it, the problem here is on the Isles anyone who can install fear is playing few minutes at the rear

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The Isles top five offensive players are among the best in the NHL. The Isles top PK players are also among the best and when Nabby was playing well, the PK was almost perfect.

It's the rest of the players that can't play 5on5.

Moulson, Boyes, Streit are excellent on the PP, with the extra time and space. But those same players, when asked to play 5on5 - SUCK.

On the PK, you can throw Hamonic, MadDonald, Nielsen, Grabs out there and they will be fine. Martin has been amazing on the PK and Bailey looked good there yesterday too.

It's not as simple as you make it out to be. The Islanders are a flawed team that are exposed 5on5. That's on SNOW more than Capuano.

Not defending Cappy, because I don't think he's a very good coach....but how many coaches do we want to see fail on Long Island? Maybe Tim Thomas might help?

Yep the second PK unit has only been on the ice for 1 goal in 12 games..that goal was a soft one from the blue line with no one out front,.Isle PP is fine if the other team runs around...if they don't we are not big enough , so this promotes a inconsistent. PP.

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Anyone have a shortlist of what coaches would want to even come here ?
The discussion is not that cappy should go, it's who would bother coming.

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Anyone have a shortlist of what coaches would want to even come here ?
The discussion is not that cappy should go, it's who would bother coming.
was thinking the same thing. i can see this becoming the place that free agents and coaches dont want to come. not sure theres a lot of experienced nhl coachs out there who would want the job knowing its going to be a cap floor team every year.

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Not only him, but Jimmy Devellano is right up there with Torrey as one of the smartest executives the Isles have ever had. Easily.
OT, but did you ever notice how as soon as Devellano left the Isles went downhill (especially their drafting) and Detroit starting building a dynasty? IOW, I give Devellano more credit than Torrey.

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getting rid of Capuano is pointless. This team isnt one good coach away from contention. It needs about 8-9 roster players to get there. And whether it's Lava or Stirling or Nolan or Gordon or Capuano or Weight or Herb Brooks, the result is going to be the same.
Even if they are 8-9 players away, that still doesn't mean they don't need a new coach.

A defensive system, even a simple boring neutral zone trap would benefit this club so much. But our plan on defense just seems to be to back up, let the opposition set up in our zone & then lose races to loose pucks in 5 on 5 situations. Even our 1st line gets pinned in our D zone by the opponents 4th line on the rare occassion Fred Flintstone manages to get a favorable matchup.

Our PP is good because they have a system in place that is tailored to our players skills. our PK is good because they have a system in place, that fits our players skills. Our 5 on 5 is the worst in the NHL, because we don't have a system in place that benefits our players. It's no surprise to me that Capuano has nothing to do with the PP & PK, but it seems like he runs the 5 on 5.

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Even if they are 8-9 players away, that still doesn't mean they don't need a new coach.

A defensive system, even a simple boring neutral zone trap would benefit this club so much. But our plan on defense just seems to be to back up, let the opposition set up in our zone & then lose races to loose pucks in 5 on 5 situations. Even our 1st line gets pinned in our D zone by the opponents 4th line on the rare occassion Fred Flintstone manages to get a favorable matchup.

Our PP is good because they have a system in place that is tailored to our players skills. our PK is good because they have a system in place, that fits our players skills. Our 5 on 5 is the worst in the NHL, because we don't have a system in place that benefits our players. It's no surprise to me that Capuano has nothing to do with the PP & PK, but it seems like he runs the 5 on 5.
Good post.

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Even if they are 8-9 players away, that still doesn't mean they don't need a new coach.

A defensive system, even a simple boring neutral zone trap would benefit this club so much. But our plan on defense just seems to be to back up, let the opposition set up in our zone & then lose races to loose pucks in 5 on 5 situations. Even our 1st line gets pinned in our D zone by the opponents 4th line on the rare occassion Fred Flintstone manages to get a favorable matchup.

Our PP is good because they have a system in place that is tailored to our players skills. our PK is good because they have a system in place, that fits our players skills. Our 5 on 5 is the worst in the NHL, because we don't have a system in place that benefits our players. It's no surprise to me that Capuano has nothing to do with the PP & PK, but it seems like he runs the 5 on 5.
Exactly.

Our breakout his horrible, as is our forecheck and defensive zone coverage. There isn't a real system installed and if there is, nobody seems to be running it, so Capuano should be removed. I'm in favor of the trap system and I absolutely hate the 2-1-2 forecheck at the NHL level, which seems to be the only 'system' in place.

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