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C Joe Colborne [TOR], C Luke Adam [BUF], C Greg Nemisz [CGY] is a 5th Rndr?

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02-08-2013, 10:07 PM
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C Joe Colborne [TOR], C Luke Adam [BUF], C Greg Nemisz [CGY] is a 5th Rndr?

There seem to be new supply & demand dynamics in effect impacting player trade values.

With a significantly lower cap on the horizon, the value of the average player has dropped IMO. More players than usual will be available this summer (cap compliance casualties), yet available contract slots per team (50) will remain the same.

Keaton Ellerby, an NHL tweener d-man (with 125 NHL games under his belt) got only a 5th for FLA from LA. Since he is on a one-way deal, FLA would have only tried demoting him to the AHL as a last resort (plus I believe he would have had to pass through waivers).

Andrei Loktionov, who despite being in the last year of his ELC and thus on a two-way deal also only got LA a 5th rounder from NJ. But I suppose he was less NHL proven with only about 60 NHL games.

Like Loktionov, Joe Colborne (11 NHL games), Luke Adam (71 NHL games), Greg Nemisz (15 NHL games) are also in the last year of their ELC, and have only one year of waiver exemption remaining. Lets say their teams wanted to get rid of them to open up a contract slot, are they to only worth no more than a 5th?

Joe Colborne - Center
Born Jan 30 1990 -- Calgary, ALTA [23 yrs. ago]
Height 6.05 -- Weight 213 -- Shoots L
Selected by Boston Bruins round 1 #16 overall 2008 NHL Entry Draft
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=101538
AHL SALARY NHL SALARY CAP HIT
$65,000 $875,000 $1,100,000 RFA in 2013
http://www.capgeek.com/player/1665


Luke Adam - Center
Born Jun 18 1990 -- St. John's, NFLD [22 yrs. ago]
Height 6.02 -- Weight 203 -- Shoots L
Selected by Buffalo Sabres round 2 #44 overall 2008 NHL Entry Draft
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96396
AHL SALARY NHL SALARY CAP HIT
$65,000 $687,500 $875,000 RFA in 2013
http://www.capgeek.com/player/1694


Greg Nemisz - Center
Born Jun 5 1990 -- Courtice, ONT [22 yrs. ago]
Height 6.03 -- Weight 197 -- Shoots R
Selected by Calgary Flames round 1 #25 overall 2008 NHL Entry Draft
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96583
AHL SALARY NHL SALARY CAP HIT
$65,000 $787,500 $1,045,833 RFA in 2013
http://www.capgeek.com/player/1539

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As a Leaf fan I wouldn't want to trade Colborne for a 5th yet. I have a feeling Buffalo fans would feel even stronger about Adam in the same regards

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What is this garbage? Colborne is worth much more than a 5th rounder. He'd fetch a 2nd minimum if we trade him, he's been playing much better in the A.

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As a Leaf fan I wouldn't want to trade Colborne for a 5th yet. I have a feeling Buffalo fans would feel even stronger about Adam in the same regards
Canucks offer a 4th for Colborne. right here and now.

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i also thought that no one wanting Hickey, trading loktionov for a 5th, and trading ellerby for a 5th is crazy!

the potential should be worth more than a 5th

thats what drafts are, arent they? pure potentials!

how many 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders become good enough to even be considered for 1 NHL game? just a handful every year

and here you have 3 players that got returns that confirms...nah! you guys aren't NHL players at all! here's a 5th!

i guess it's a good time to trade...there has to be something that we are missing but it's certainly not the argument that we hear on here "that's what Ellerby is worth" i'm sure a bunch of these people would've grabbed Ellerby for AT LEAST a 3rd pick

but whatever...can't argue with the nay sayers

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No.

Correct reasoning but not applicable to Colborne. Adam maybe, he could fetch more as deadline bait probably.

Yes, Colborne busted but he'll still be a usable player and likely a high end 3C.

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I'd hold on to Colborne a bit longer. He is looking very unpromising, but there is no attraction in a fifth or a fourth for that matter. Maybe he's a late bloomer, and if more likely, he isn't, well, I'll take the gamble anyway, keep the chips in the game another round.

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I'd hold on to Colborne a bit longer. He is looking very unpromising, but there is no attraction in a fifth or a fourth for that matter. Maybe he's a late bloomer, and if more likely, he isn't, well, I'll take the gamble anyway, keep the chips in the game another round.
You are right. He sucks. We will give you a third rounder for him. Take him off your hands.

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What is this garbage? Colborne is worth much more than a 5th rounder. He'd fetch a 2nd minimum if we trade him, he's been playing much better in the A.
we have no way of knowing but this is extremly unlikely. He would likely go for a mid to late round pick or go on waivers, I am asuming this is his last year of being exempt from waivers, if that is the case he doesn't hold much value.


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He had 3 goals and 9 assists in January (9 games). Just had a slow start.

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We're not going to give up on Adam yet. He looked fantastic at the beginning of last season between vanek and pominville, there's still hope for him. If we were to trade him, as its been covered, it would definitely be for more than a 5th rounder

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we have no way of knowing but this is simply absured, you are basically saying he would get a top 45 pick.
Fine ill reword it.

Leafs will not trade Colborne for anything less than a 2nd because he is our best C prospect. There. Happy.

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Colborne probably about a fifth, but I'd say Adam probably a little more

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wouldn't the lower cap bring an even more importance on good young players because there cheaper? espcially on there ELC.

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I find a lot of flaws with the OPs logic

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I counter this thread with an Adam for Colborne proposal?

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when are these players waiver eligible? we could see both on waivers in the near future if they don't make the big club soon.

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as always, it seems that NHL general managers and HF members are very, very far apart when it comes to valuing players

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when are these players waiver eligible? we could see both on waivers in the near future if they don't make the big club soon.
I think that's got a lot to do with what the OP is talking about. With these tweeners, if they're going to be able to be picked up on waivers say next year, teams are thinking about taking whatever they can for them.

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when are these players waiver eligible? we could see both on waivers in the near future if they don't make the big club soon.

The following chart shows the number of years (not including 2012-13) or games he has to play to lose his exemption, as well as how many years and games he has played to date. It highlights in red the years or games (whichever he reaches first) remaining on his exemption.

JOE COLBORNE IS EXEMPT FROM WAIVERS.
EXEMPT UNTIL 3YRS 160GMS
TO DATE 2YRS 11GMS
REMAINING EXEMPTION 1YR 149GMS
http://capgeek.com/waiver_calculator...010&Calculate=

LUKE ADAM IS EXEMPT FROM WAIVERS.
EXEMPT UNTIL 3YRS 160GMS
TO DATE 2YRS 71GMS
REMAINING EXEMPTION 1YR 89GMS
http://capgeek.com/waiver_calculator...010&Calculate=

GREG NEMISZ IS EXEMPT FROM WAIVERS.
EXEMPT UNTIL 3YRS 160GMS
TO DATE 2YRS 15GMS
REMAINING EXEMPTION 1YR 145GMS
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I think that's got a lot to do with what the OP is talking about. With these tweeners, if they're going to be able to be picked up on waivers say next year, teams are thinking about taking whatever they can for them.
exactly my point, people need to stop thinking like a fan in some of these proposals and think about what a GM would do.

No team is going to give up a 2nd round pick for a prospect who is a tweeter and very close to being waiver eligible, the closest ive ever seen to that was Florida with Grabner but even that was a very rare case as he was part of a package and expected to play in the NHL but had a terrible camp.

If either of these guys are moved it will be for a late pick, similar prospect, part of a bigger package or claimed off waivers in the near future.

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What is this garbage? Colborne is worth much more than a 5th rounder. He'd fetch a 2nd minimum if we trade him, he's been playing much better in the A.
One of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a while.

Colborne definitely wouldn't bring more than a 4th or similar prospect.

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As a Leaf fan I wouldn't want to trade Colborne for a 5th yet. I have a feeling Buffalo fans would feel even stronger about Adam in the same regards
Would probably want more than a 5th sure, but most Sabres fans have soured on Adam a bit. After he started last year great, and then went into invisible mode and got sent down...he's been completely a headscratcher. His performance in the AHL has been lackluster at best, putrid at worst. But I don't see his value being more than a 5th right now...he has to get his game together first.

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If Schroeder hadn't made the team out of camp (and looked impressive so far) he would likely be on that list.

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Would probably want more than a 5th sure, but most Sabres fans have soured on Adam a bit. After he started last year great, and then went into invisible mode and got sent down...he's been completely a headscratcher. His performance in the AHL has been lackluster at best, putrid at worst. But I don't see his value being more than a 5th right now...he has to get his game together first.
Adam for Colborne?

At least Adam has some grit and competes hard. Colborne got ko'ed by a guy half his size at the last Marlie game I went to. He really does have all the tools, he just doesn't seem to have the drive; he'll be the best player on the ice (AHL) when he decides to play... But he rarely decides to play.

I became a huge Luke Adam fan at the WJC, he could be an excellent LW on the Kadri-Frattin line.

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