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HOH Top-40 Goalies Voter Record - intylerwetrust

Round 1 list

# Name
1 Dominik Hasek
2 Patrick Roy
3 Terry Sawchuk
4 Jacques Plante
5 Martin Brodeur
6 Glenn Hall
7 Ken Dryden
8 Vladislav Tretiak
9 Bill Durnan
10 Turk Broda
11 Frank Brimsek
12 Bernie Parent
13 Clint Benedict
14 Johnny Bower
15 Tiny Thompson
16 George Hainsworth
17 Jiri Holecek
18 Tony Esposito
19 Charlie Gardiner
20 Ed Belfour
21 Grant Fuhr
22 Billy Smith
23 Alec Connell
24 Georges Vezina
25 Lorne Chabot
26 Ed Giacomin
27 Chuck Rayner
28 Gerry Cheevers
29 Curtis Joseph
30 Gump Worsley
31 Tim Thomas
32 Tom Barrasso
33 Mike Vernon
34 Ron Hextall
35 Hugh Lehman
36 Roger Crozier
37 Hap Holmes
38 Viktor Konovalenko
39 Nikolai Puchkov
40 Mike Richter
41 John Vanbiesbrouck
42 Andy Moog
43 Harry Lumley
44 Rogie Vachon
45 Roy Worters
46 Roberto Luongo
47 Jiri Kralik
48 Vladimir Dzurilla
49 Al Rollins
50 John Bouse Hutton
51 Mike Liut
52 Paddy Moran
53 Dave Kerr
54 Henrik Lundqvist
55 Riley Hern
56 Olaf Kolzig
57 Pekka Lindmark
58 Leif Holmqvist
59 Don Edwards
60 Normie Smith


Players on the top-40 not ranked:

Percy LeSueur

Players on the top-40 ranked below #50:

Mike Liut (51)
Henrik Lundqvist (54)

Players exclusive to this list and no more than two others:

Nikolai Puchkov (39)

Players ranked highest on this list:

Tiny Thompson (15)
Lorne Chabot (25)
Mike Vernon (33)
Andy Moog (42)

Players ranked lowest on this list:

Harry Lumley (43)
Leif Holmqvist (58)

Holmqvist, however, was left off 23 lists.

Round 2 voting record:

Round1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th
1HasekRoyHallSawchukPlanteBrodeurDryden 
2SawchukBrodeurDrydenTretiakDurnanBrodaBrimsekParent
3BrodaBrimsekDurnanParentBenedictBowerGardinerEsposito
4BrodaDurnanParentBowerEspositoThompsonBelfourHolecek
5WortersParentBowerHainsworthThompsonWorsleyHolecekLumley
6HainsworthThompsonGiacominWorsleyLumleyHolmesLehmanFuhr
7GiacominWorsleyLumleyFuhrConnellRaynerBarrassoThomas
8 GiacominChabotConnellHolmesBarrassoThomasVachonLuongo
9 ChabotConnellThomasVachonLuongoLundqvistVanbiesbrouckKiprusoff
10ChabotConnellThomasLundqvistVernonKiprusoffHextallCheevers

Round 2 Participation Record

RoundRankPosts
1 33 3
2N/A0
3 23 1
4 27 1
5N/A0
6N/A0
7 25 1
8 19 2
9 26 1
10N/A0
Total389

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Hall at 6th, but 3rd in first vote. Someone's argument for Glenn certainly hit a chord.

I liked Connell and Cheevers at 23 & 28, but looks like Cheevers was given up on quickly in the voting process.

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Hall at 6th, but 3rd in first vote. Someone's argument for Glenn certainly hit a chord.

I liked Connell and Cheevers at 23 & 28, but looks like Cheevers was given up on quickly in the voting process.
Never being voted a top-3 goalie in any season will do that to a guy.

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Never being voted a top-3 goalie in any season will do that to a guy.
So what's Curtis Joseph's claim to fame?

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So what's Curtis Joseph's claim to fame?
Seriously, though.

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Observation about Joseph:

He finished 3rd or high in Vezina voting three times (1993, 1999, 2000) but never placed in the top three in all-star voting.

He consistently finished lower in all-star voting. Here are his significant Vezina finishes: 3rd to Belfour and Barrasso in 1993, 4th to Hasek, Vanbiesbrouck and Roy in 1994, 5th to Hasek, Brodeur, Roy and Hebert in 1997, 2nd to Hasek in 1999, 3rd to Kolzig and Turek in 2000.

His all-star recognition during the same years was: 4th in 1993, T-8th in 1994, T-8th in 1997, 4th in 1999, 5th in 2000. In all but one of the years he finished at least 2 spots worse in all-star voting.

What was it about Joseph that (apparently) made the GMs vote for him far more than the media did?

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What was it about Joseph that (apparently) made the GMs vote for him far more than the media did?
Being too busy with their own teams to reliably rank 30 goalies in an order that "makes sense" (other than their "asset value", of which GMs would be acutely aware) is what first comes to mind. Voting for the top 2 or 3 "legit contenders" followed by "the guy making noise in Toronto" also seems like a possibility at some point (the Montreal, Toronto, and NY hockey media probably have the biggest influence outside their own markets). Do we know how many votes he received from out of conference GMs vs same conference GMs?

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Hall at 6th, but 3rd in first vote. Someone's argument for Glenn certainly hit a chord.

I liked Connell and Cheevers at 23 & 28, but looks like Cheevers was given up on quickly in the voting process.
yeah, I was convinced. Although, I think its a toss up between Plante, Sawchuk, and Hall depending who you talk to.

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Surprised to see that Connell at 23 wasn't his highest ranking after Round 1! And I say this as someone who had Connell high (too high) on my own initial list.

You were a vocal supporter of Giacomin during the voting and a vocal supporter of Chabot when the high votes for him were questioned in the results thread. I don't agree with either of those positions, but appreciate that you explained them.

Not surprised that you are the one to rank Puchkov. I remember on the defenseman project, you had a few Europeans that nobody else had.

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Voting for the top 2 or 3 "legit contenders" followed by "the guy making noise in Toronto" also seems like a possibility at some point (the Montreal, Toronto, and NY hockey media probably have the biggest influence outside their own markets).
That could explain his comparatively poor ranking in all-star voting in 1999 and 2000 but there's the same disparity even when he was in St. Louis (1993 and 1994) and Edmonton (1997). It's an interesting pattern though I'm not sure if it means much (if anything).

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Do we know how many votes he received from out of conference GMs vs same conference GMs?
Unfortunately not, I don't think this is published.

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