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02-07-2013, 01:26 AM
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Buffalo & Pens

Buffalo gives:
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thoughts?? Pens downgrade defensively but upgrade their PP with leopold for orpik, stafford gives pens a legit top 6 winger for crosby or malkin...buffalo gains a gritty stay at home dman and a scrappy bottom 6 winger and a little cap space...

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02-07-2013, 01:45 AM
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Orpik is injury free and playing nothing short of spectacular defensive hockey right now. The Orpik-Martin pairing is doing 25 minutes plus per game against opponents best. Assistant captain to boot. He is going nowhere.

Zero interest in Leopold. He was a terrible deadline choice for the Pens some years ago, as he added nothing we didn't have already, and it would be (almost) the same now. Not a bad player, although current performances would suggest that he is HORRIBLE, but we surely have no use for him.

Like Stafford though. Still interested in him, as I have been for years. But it would have to be Kennedy plus something else. If Buffalo looks out of it at the deadline, we'll be interested in Regehr also.

Niskanen is probably our best tradeable asset right now. If Regehr was was part of it, we could include him. Better, younger, tougher, cheaper version of Leopold.


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02-07-2013, 01:46 AM
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Pens can't afford to do it. Brooks has been a beast this year and the Orpik - Martin pairing has been phenomenal.

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02-07-2013, 02:55 AM
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Orpik plays too big of a role to deal him right now.

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02-07-2013, 03:15 AM
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Something around Stafford and Kennedy looks interesting and seems to make sense for both parts. What does it take to get it done?

I could be interested in Niskanen too, but not until someone takes Leopold off our hands. Buffalo already have too many D-men (although all of them are injured, as usual).

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02-07-2013, 03:24 AM
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Leopold's too similar to Martin and Niskanen for it to make sense for the Pens to go after him plus Orpik is looking great right now.

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As said above multiple times, Orpik is simply too important for the Pens. They can't afford to move him. He's playing great hockey and is one of their leaders. His physical presence can't be replaced.

Pens have already seen what Leopold can offer to them and it wasn't much. He doesn't fill any need for the Penguins.

If Buffalo is ready to give up on Stafford, I'd gladly see Shero ship TK+1st round pick for him.

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02-07-2013, 05:11 AM
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No way I'd give up a 1st for Stafford.

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02-07-2013, 05:59 AM
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Orpik is too valuable to deal.

Leopold doesn't help Pittsburgh. We let him go for a reason not too long ago.

Stafford is a frustrating player to watch. Very talented, but there is something missing. He scores in bunches then goes empty for weeks.

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02-07-2013, 08:58 AM
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Something around Stafford and Kennedy looks interesting and seems to make sense for both parts. What does it take to get it done?

I could be interested in Niskanen too, but not until someone takes Leopold off our hands. Buffalo already have too many D-men (although all of them are injured, as usual).
Won't happen unless there's a fairly substantial + from Pittsburgh. We can't trade every top 6 forward on the roster for 3rd liners. Somebody has to score.

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02-07-2013, 10:28 AM
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I think something can be worked out for Stafford, we don't really need Leopold and we aren't ready to move Orpik

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Won't happen unless there's a fairly substantial + from Pittsburgh. We can't trade every top 6 forward on the roster for 3rd liners. Somebody has to score.
Fairly substantial meaning 1st round pick or more than that?

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Won't happen unless there's a fairly substantial + from Pittsburgh. We can't trade every top 6 forward on the roster for 3rd liners. Somebody has to score.
Fairly substantial add? You would be getting an experienced; hard hitting; gritty stay at home D man and we get an enigma. If Stafford was a consistent player during the course of the year, you wouldn't be trading him. He is fun to watch, but at the same time, frustrating. Sorry, that guy should be a 70-point, 30-goal scorer each year. Instead, you get 22-goals, 52 points and it all comes in spurts.

Brooks Orpik means more to Pittsburgh than Drew Stafford would.

He is a tough player to deal because no one know what exactly you get from Drew Stafford.

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02-07-2013, 12:21 PM
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Fairly substantial add? You would be getting an experienced; hard hitting; gritty stay at home D man and we get an enigma. If Stafford was a consistent player during the course of the year, you wouldn't be trading him. He is fun to watch, but at the same time, frustrating. Sorry, that guy should be a 70-point, 30-goal scorer each year. Instead, you get 22-goals, 52 points and it all comes in spurts.

Brooks Orpik means more to Pittsburgh than Drew Stafford would.

He is a tough player to deal because no one know what exactly you get from Drew Stafford.
He's talking about a Stafford for Kennedy + deal.

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02-07-2013, 12:23 PM
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He's talking about a Stafford for Kennedy + deal.
gotcha ... I have no idea what the plus would be.

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02-07-2013, 12:36 PM
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Fairly substantial meaning 1st round pick or more than that?
Personally, I think Kennedy and a 1st would be fair value-wise. Darcy Regier would probably try to squeeze more out of a deal, though; he seems to be a big Stafford fan.

As for the OP, I would do it from a Buffalo POV, but Orpik is too important to Pitt for them to trade in a deal like this.

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No way I'd give up a 1st for Stafford.
yeah you can get a 3 20 time goal scorers at age 27 with a 31 goal season under his belt for a late 2nd

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02-07-2013, 12:53 PM
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yeah you can get a 3 20 time goal scorers at age 27 with a 31 goal season under his belt for a late 2nd
You don't find yourself frustrated with Stafford? He is a classic underachiever. While his numbers are decent, he lacks consistency and disappears for weeks at a time after shooting his load in a four game period.

If he ever found consistency in his game during the course of the year, he is easily an 80-point guy, not barely a 50-point guy.

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Fairly substantial add? You would be getting an experienced; hard hitting; gritty stay at home D man and we get an enigma. If Stafford was a consistent player during the course of the year, you wouldn't be trading him. He is fun to watch, but at the same time, frustrating. Sorry, that guy should be a 70-point, 30-goal scorer each year. Instead, you get 22-goals, 52 points and it all comes in spurts.

Brooks Orpik means more to Pittsburgh than Drew Stafford would.

He is a tough player to deal because no one know what exactly you get from Drew Stafford.
Re-read what I responded too. No Orpik involved. Poster was saying Kennedy for Stafford, which makes no sense for Buffalo unless they like this whole having only one line that knows where the net is thing.

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Re-read what I responded too. No Orpik involved. Poster was saying Kennedy for Stafford, which makes no sense for Buffalo unless they like this whole having only one line that knows where the net is thing.

My bad.

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02-07-2013, 01:19 PM
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You don't find yourself frustrated with Stafford? He is a classic underachiever. While his numbers are decent, he lacks consistency and disappears for weeks at a time after shooting his load in a four game period.

If he ever found consistency in his game during the course of the year, he is easily an 80-point guy, not barely a 50-point guy.
But if he was a consistent 80pt player then Buffalo wouldn't be looking to move him, especially not for a 3rd line plug and a pick.

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Buffalo gives:
Stafford
Leopold

Pens give:
Orpik
Kennedy

thoughts?? Pens downgrade defensively but upgrade their PP with leopold for orpik, stafford gives pens a legit top 6 winger for crosby or malkin...buffalo gains a gritty stay at home dman and a scrappy bottom 6 winger and a little cap space...
no way to Leopold, and no way to Orpik going in any trade. like someone pointed out earlier, though, maybe something could work with Kennedy + for Stafford. that + would probably have to be something relatively big though.

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02-07-2013, 01:27 PM
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But if he was a consistent 80pt player then Buffalo wouldn't be looking to move him, especially not for a 3rd line plug and a pick.
That is the point. While his ability and skill are high end, his end results should demand a heavy return. Sorry. The guy isn't consistent and disappears too frequently. If he was consistent, like I said, he would be a core member of your organization. I don't think he is a core guy.

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yeah you can get a 3 20 time goal scorers at age 27 with a 31 goal season under his belt for a late 2nd
Your team once traded for a player that had a 26, 33 and a 43 goal season around the same age, for a late 2nd you ****ing genius.

How did he turn out for you?

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Your team once traded for a player that had a 26, 33 and a 43 goal season around the same age, for a late 2nd you ****ing genius.

How did he turn out for you?
Brad Boyes is and was garbage. Stafford younger and overall better. Stafford is easily worth a 1st "****ing genius"

The Blues wanted to cut salary also. Our difference from St Louis is that our owner is a lot richer then theirs, and yours btw

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