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Nope a slightly more remarkable goalie than Mike Dunham, but both are unremarkable.
To me this doesn't make a ton of sense. Dunham has more wins than Carey played games. Carey was only invited to one Team USA team and that was the WJC in 1992/93 where he started and the US was spanked out of the tourney. No other Team USA games, not for the WC or the OLYs and he played during the time Dunham was being selected for Team USA.

Agreed they are both unremarkable. But it is what it is.

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You're acting like games played and wins are everything. By your logic Gartner is better than Bure, he scored more goals than Bure played games.

I don't understand how could be Vezina winner and 1st All-star unremarkable. There're are ... No. Seriously, Tim Thomas did what he did during let's say two season and he doesn't even have 200 wins. Career lenght doesnt make much sense in this conversation and itīs awful argument. 400 games is not small number by Dunham but cannot outweight height of Carey's peak.

There is no way Carey is more unremarkable than Dunham neither in positive nor in negative sense.

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Unremarkable is the last way I would describe Carey. His high were remarkably high and his lows remarkably low.

Dunham had the better career, shame injuries ensured no contender would invest in him.

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Unremarkable is the last way I would describe Carey. His high were remarkably high and his lows remarkably low.

Dunham had the better career, shame injuries ensured no contender would invest in him.
Put them together and you have a guy with unremarkable career value, right?

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You're acting like games played and wins are everything. By your logic Gartner is better than Bure, he scored more goals than Bure played games.

I don't understand how could be Vezina winner and 1st All-star unremarkable. There're are ... No. Seriously, Tim Thomas did what he did during let's say two season and he doesn't even have 200 wins. Career lenght doesnt make much sense in this conversation and itīs awful argument. 400 games is not small number by Dunham but cannot outweight height of Carey's peak.

There is no way Carey is more unremarkable than Dunham neither in positive nor in negative sense.
I have pointed out other reasons, you are cherry picking one of those and using it against me.

So, how about this. Carey and Dunham played at the same time, Dunham was picked for Team USA every time, Carey was not. How did Dunham beat out Carey in the 1992 OLYs? Both were in the AHL, both tried out for the team.

One might even say 1995/96 Vezina was one of the weakest years for goalies. Carey lead in one category and that was SOs. Some might even say, Brodour, Hasek, Fuhr and even Potvin had better seasons than Carey. Carey was the surprise player and he won it through being such a shock to every one. But here look at the goalie categories for the year. Carey didn't have an unbelievable season, it's barely a great season.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leag...6_leaders.html

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Look at the point shares which give a better idea of the play that season. Carey doesn't even rank.


Point Shares
1. Mario Lemieux*-PIT 17.4
2. Jaromir Jagr-PIT 16.0
3. Dominik Hasek-BUF 14.8
4. Felix Potvin-TOR 13.8
5. Raymond Bourque*-BOS 13.0
6. Martin Brodeur-NJD 12.8
7. Eric Lindros-PHI 12.8
8. Joe Sakic*-COL 12.8
9. Grant Fuhr*-STL 12.5
10. Sean Burke-HAR 12.5
11. Guy Hebert-MDA 12.3
12. Nicklas Lidstrom-DET 12.2
13. Alexander Mogilny-VAN 12.2
14. Sergei Fedorov-DET 12.0
15. Paul Coffey*-DET 11.7
16. Paul Kariya-MDA 11.6
17. Daren Puppa-TBL 11.6
18. Brian Leetch*-NYR 11.4
19. Chris Chelios-CHI 11.3
20. Mark Messier*-NYR 11.3

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