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12-13-2016, 12:27 PM
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Rate the 60s HHOF centres based on their defence

There was a thread earlier rating the defensive abilities of centres from the late-90s, I thought it would be interesting to do the same with another era, and decided on the 60s:

Jean Beliveau
Alex Delvecchio
Dave Keon
Stan Mikita
Henri Richard
Norm Ullman


The middle four players on the list all have reputations as players who would've been Selke contenders had the award existed back then. How would you rank them, based solely on their defence.

Looking for opinions from those who saw them play back then, as well as any researchers who may have any anecdotes about that aspect of their game. Thanks.

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There was a thread earlier rating the defensive abilities of centres from the late-90s, I thought it would be interesting to do the same with another era, and decided on the 60s:

Jean Beliveau
Alex Delvecchio
Dave Keon
Stan Mikita
Henri Richard
Norm Ullman


The middle four players on the list all have reputations as players who would've been Selke contenders had the award existed back then. How would you rank them, based solely on their defence.

Looking for opinions from those who saw them play back then, as well as any researchers who may have any anecdotes about that aspect of their game. Thanks.
I don't have the time to dig up and provide anecdotes, unfortunately, but my interpretation of everything I've read is as follows:

Dave Keon (lower end of the all-time top-10 defensive forwards)
Henri Richard (lower end of the top-10 all-time as well)
Norm Ullman (always very good but likely not a selke winner)
Stan Mikita (similar to how Ullman was all career, but mostly in 2nd half of career after offensive prime was over)
Alex Delvecchio (was apparently good but I've seen little that places him on an Ullman/Mikita level)
Jean Beliveau (by all accounts conscientious, but defense was not his primary responsibility; there's much less written about his defense than these other guys)

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I don't have the time to dig up and provide anecdotes, unfortunately, but my interpretation of everything I've read is as follows:

Dave Keon (lower end of the all-time top-10 defensive forwards)
Henri Richard (lower end of the top-10 all-time as well)
Norm Ullman (always very good but likely not a selke winner)
Stan Mikita (similar to how Ullman was all career, but mostly in 2nd half of career after offensive prime was over)
Alex Delvecchio (was apparently good but I've seen little that places him on an Ullman/Mikita level)
Jean Beliveau (by all accounts conscientious, but defense was not his primary responsibility; there's much less written about his defense than these other guys)
Good list.

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Keon
Richard
Ullman
Delvecchio
Mikita
Beliveau

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Alex Delvecchio

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I don't have the time to dig up and provide anecdotes, unfortunately, but my interpretation of everything I've read is as follows:

Dave Keon (lower end of the all-time top-10 defensive forwards)
Henri Richard (lower end of the top-10 all-time as well)
Norm Ullman (always very good but likely not a selke winner)
Stan Mikita (similar to how Ullman was all career, but mostly in 2nd half of career after offensive prime was over)
Alex Delvecchio (was apparently good but I've seen little that places him on an Ullman/Mikita level)
Jean Beliveau (by all accounts conscientious, but defense was not his primary responsibility; there's much less written about his defense than these other guys)
How do you filter Alex Delvecchio's LW time from his C time?

Henri Richard and Keon are a toss-up.

You are overrating Ullman a tad. Delvecchio tended to get the key match-ups.

Beliveau until his knee injury - training camp 1961 was very solid without the Henri Richard speed factor.

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