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02-27-2016, 10:43 AM
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If Kharlamov played in NHL in his prime...

If Valeri Kharlamov joined NHL in late 60's or early 70's... What he could achieve? Would he be a legend of NHL?


Kharlamov's sensational solo goal vs. Canada in 1974





Kharlamov scores awesome solo goal vs. New York Rangers in 1975




Valeri Kharlamov - 1972 Summit Series Game 1, Goal 6




Valeri Kharlamov - 1972 Summit Series Game 1, Goal 5




Valeri Kharlamov - 1972 Summit Series Game 3, Goal 5




Goal vs. Montreal Canadians - 1975



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02-27-2016, 10:59 AM
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For reference, earlier threads with the same topic:

From 2008: What if: Kharlamov in the NHL?
From 2013: How good would Valery Kharlamov have been in the NHL?

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Put up points like, say, Hull or Bossy? Probably.
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Depending when he gets on the NHL...let's say he comes here past Summit Series. He probably NEVER reaches the 700 pts mark.
A few 90-100 pts seasons, and a brutal fall around 30.

IF he adapts well. My hypothesis considers he did so.
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I think people vastly overestimate his offensive abilities if they think he was as good as Gretzky or Lemieux. It's not like he was walking away with scoring title after scoring title back in Russia.
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Bure-esque with Stastny points? A more dynamic Hull? I don't know how much he'd score, but I bet he'd be among the leaders every season. Hard to say.
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Yeah, Bure-sque is likely it. 50-60 goals and 40-50 assists a year if he stayed healthy. Similar to Orr, he took a lot of risky chances and he might have damaged his knees with that kind of play. It also depends what team he played for. Although he could take the puck from center and go to the net he would still require some decent puck moving defense men and a good center and wingers on his team. Don't forget the Red Army was an all-star team and his production was partly a result of the room the others created too. Had he been stuck in Colorado or Washington, he might never have had the skating room needed.
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He had the talent and speed, he was very strong on his skates, and he was feisty (even friggin' Harold Ballard liked him!). Pre-1976, the opposition usually needed to use some dirty/illegal methods to stop him. His stats (which don't make him stand out in any special way) don't necessarily do him justice; you really need to watch him to fully appreciate him. During the 1974 Summit series, I think it was Pat Stapleton who said that he feels the Soviets' emphasis on team play was holding Kharlamov back and he would be even better in the North American game.
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Kharlamov was known as a very good playmaker, so I don't really understand the Bure comparison. The comparison I've heard most often is "Guy Lafleur," but that makes a lot of assumptions. One is how well Kharlamov could have handled the more physical NHL. Clarke slash aside, Canada went into later series with the intention of roughing him up, and did meet with some success.
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I also think the soviet system limited his effectiveness, evidenced by Kharlamov routinely being the best player on the ice yet being outproduced by teammates. He was very much an instinctual player.
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Lafleur always comes to mind. However, like the Bossy/Makarov comparison we saw what Lafleur could do 80 games in and out of the NHL year after year. I don't know how Kharlamov reacts in the NHL as THE star player on his team. Philly seemed to maintain him rather well in 1976 so who knows? The question is how would he cope in the rough and tumble NHL at that time?
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I see his potential upside as Lafleur. His downside, Yvan Cournoyer. Really depends on how well he would have adapted.

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Brad Park looked horrible on that goal and defensing was very much like that in the 70's Dman with lousy gap control, not moving their feet.

Kharlamov skill wise would have feasted in the NHL had the iron curtain come down say in 1965.

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70s were team dependent. Still in most reasonably good situations 80-100 range seems right. In around where Gilbert Perreault was.

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Notice how he makes North American defenders look like a garbage...




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He would be true megastar.


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I'm tweaking what I said earlier : He doesn't reach 800 points if he comes in North America right after the Summit Series.

A few 90/100 points seasons and a brutal fall around 1979 or something like that. Probably good enough to be the best left winger in the league, however.

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I'm tweaking what I said earlier : He doesn't reach 800 points if he comes in North America right after the Summit Series.

A few 90/100 points seasons and a brutal fall around 1979 or something like that. Probably good enough to be the best left winger in the league, however.
dont compare statistics with statistics... especially with "red history"... it is uncomparable. He was supertalented player and he showed that even to NHL-players. And this is basically only head to head comparison and it shows where he could be if... He was easily best player on the ice.

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dont compare statistics with statistics... especially with "red history"... it is uncomparable. He was supertalented player and he showed that even to NHL-players. And this is basically only head to head comparison and it shows where he could be if... He was easily best player on the ice.
Don't ask questions if you're to disagree with logical, sensible answers.

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As an aside, what happened to his son? He was highly touted and then dropped off the earth.

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It all depends what team he plays on. He could have ended up Gil Perreault or Guy Lafleur.

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Kharlamov is probably the most skilled player produced outside of North America ever. I think that if he would have had a NHL career in his prime he would have been ranked top-5 ever, possibly top-3.

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Not the most efficient player but probably the most beautiful, elegant and dazzling. He would be one of the best players but not run away with scoring titles year after year.

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This is what highlights' goals can do for you nobody interested in what could Mikhailov or Vasiliev, or Tretyak achieved, but 3 threads about Kharlamov

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Don't ask questions if you're to disagree with logical, sensible answers.
I am not asking question, i am putting you into the context.

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