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02-09-2013, 09:45 PM
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I don't quite understand this thread, did someone actually expect us to be a top 5 team or even a lock to make the playoffs? I thought most people expected us to not make the playoffs, with an outside shot of finishing 8th.

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I don't quite understand this thread, did someone actually expect us to be a top 5 team or even a lock to make the playoffs? I thought most people expected us to not make the playoffs, with an outside shot of finishing 8th.
having low expectations only justifies complacency

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02-09-2013, 09:56 PM
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I think 10th or 11th in the West is a reasonable expectation. You look around the league and the West is full of 3 point games. It's tough to make up ground when almost every team is gaining points on a nightly basis.

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I am not really sure who was overhyping us? I personally thought we would be a bubble playoff team and I still think we will be. This team has showed a lot, playing good D and dubs has played well. The offence will come. Alot of players have been really snake bit. I think the offence will get rolling.

The biggest disapointment this year so far have been Horc and Whitney, two guys that were suppose to provide a vetran presence, they have sucked and horc as usuall is hurt.

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02-10-2013, 03:55 AM
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I don't understand this post at all. First page seems like a handful of flames fans. The oilers are a highly skilled young team, however skill doesn't prevent goal. The lack of quaility veterans is clear and evident to anyone with pulse. Bottom 6 all execpt harti petrell and jones (baring he's the 3 line 15+ goal scorer and pk specialist before injury) need a revamp. But you keep your top 6.

Gagner on pace for 48 points
Hall on pace for 44 points
Eberle on pace for 35 points
Yakupov on pace for 35 points
Hemsky on pace for 30 points
NUG on pace for 24 points
J.Schutz on pace for 30 points

Hall-NUG-Eberle (clear number one)
Hemsky-Gagner-Yakupov
Harti-????-Jones
????-????-Petrell
Eager

Smid-Petry
Schultz-Schultz
????-????
Fistric

Who i want Gone: smyth, horcoff, belanger, whitney, potter, sutton, peckham
The oilers lack vet presents but yet the only thing holding them back is there vets. Tough sinerio to get out of but they are far from the worst team and show some promise.

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02-10-2013, 04:58 AM
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I don't quite understand this thread, did someone actually expect us to be a top 5 team or even a lock to make the playoffs? I thought most people expected us to not make the playoffs, with an outside shot of finishing 8th.
This, so much this.

Anyone who placed Oilers better than the 20th spot over hyped. On paper, Oiler does not look like a playoff team at all. I have no idea where this comes from... I am not saying that being better than that is impossible, if they are better than that, then they have performed over.

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02-10-2013, 05:28 AM
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The skill of the core-5 (RNH, Hall, Ebs, Schultz, Yakupov) is NOT overrated.
The quality of the entire team IS.

Hemsky and Gagner aren't bad players, but they're not necessarily the right players you need
in the top-6 to surround 4 young, physically under-developed kids.

The lack of good veterans to play meaningful roles, is holding the team back. Team defence.
The defence is getting better, but still isn't great.

Dubnyk is a decent young goalie.

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02-10-2013, 05:59 AM
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You guys realize they are slumping right now right? The teams s% is in the toilet and that's just plain bad luck. Oh and were 2 points out of a playoff spot with a game in hand. Things are not that bad guys, just a few bad games. Don't panic.

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02-10-2013, 07:04 AM
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If they lose tomorrow against Columbus, woo boy, it will be ugly on this board ...
Damn straight. Detroit is as ravaged with injuries as we are and when they're healthy they've got glaring weaknesses on their team.

Columbus' roster is a huge joke as well. Detroit + Columbus should have been at least an easy 3 points for us. 4 points shouldn't be too big of a feat.

Now I don't want to blame the coach for anything yet, but any time that Eager or Fistric are healthy, they should both be played. End of story. Why wouldn't we want to be more physically capable? Who doesn't want to see Eager get a chance to be a huge menace? Who doesn't want to watch Fistric land 3+ hits per night without making tons of mistakes which put us down goals or end up with him in the penalty box?

I don't blame the coach for the lack of goals when we play 5 on 5. I blame that on Hall, Hopkins and Eberle.

I don't blame the coach for our overtime loses. I blame that on our leaders. They seem to be completely lacking in direction, attention span, discipline or all three in high pressure situations.

When the pressure is on their style of play reminds me of Andrew Cogliano. Tons of athleticism and cool moves, but they're ultimately a bunch of mosquitos chasing high beams on a highway.

Everyone knows Hall loves the pressure and the attention. So every time he's going to find a way to get the puck across the blueline into the offensive zone. He'll do whatever it takes. Once that happens he might take a shot or he might pass it, but if everyone else on the ice isn't moving at full speed, nobody can keep up with him, there's no order and there's nothing he can do if he can't get in a good situation to shoot because he's got to get his ass back onside to make a pass to someone.

Hopkins shouldn't be playing. If he needs surgery just rip my heart out and get it over with. This is not the same RNH which played in the NHL last year. He was so quick, his passes were so amazing and he and Eberle looked strikingly familiar to the Sedins twins when they were in the offensive zone. We're not seeing that at all this year.

Eberle is so damn predictable. He scores that sweet backhander on his off wing and now that's the only thing he does when he shoots on his off wing. Every time he's about to shoot when on his off wing the goalie literally KNOWS what's going to happen. He's just going back to the well with something we've seen him do a million times now.

These three individuals either need to go on the injured reserve and get some surgery done, or pull their heads out of their respective *****.

Gagner and Yakupov have been amazing. Hemsky... I'm not going to knock him. I'm very happy to see him with 7 points and no signs of being banged up in 11 games thus far. It's not his fault that his style of play at times isn't compatible with Yak. Yak and him always want to have the puck. Hemsky needs to be more aware of when and where Yak is in position for the one timer. I think with time Yak and Hemsky will only get better. Hemsky isn't a selfish player, but it's insane that Gagner is racking up so many more points than him this year.

Not going to complain about our blueline. We knew what we were going to get out of Potter and Whitney. It just doesn't make sense that we ever dress Potter. Potter is horrible in his own zone, he hardly ever uses his size and we don't need him on the first or second powerplay. Fistric is a guy we can use heavily on the PK and when we're playing at even strength.

Very, VERY happy with our goaltending. Without our goaltending we'd be at the bottom for sure. We've allowed an average of 31.54 shots per game our goalies' combined G.A.A is 2.335, which is nothing to complain about.

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02-10-2013, 07:34 AM
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I understand that things COULD turn out as you say. Im not even saying they won't.

But when Chicago won their Cup Towes was dominant. You could just see his hockey sense oozing. When players are that elite, you see it very early.

I'm not seeing the same thing with our group...again Schultz looks dynamite. Ebs, RNH look promising. Hall....meh. I think his career has all kinds of promise, but I worry, again as I said in my first post, he may not be the staw that stirs the drink....

But, I appreciate your input. Im certainly willing to be patient, as long as I see something to hold on to...

Maybe i just need to get out more!

Toews was great. But he didn't single-handedly carry the team. He had an AMAZING support.
The amount of skill in depth players, hasn't ben seen in a LONG time.

Brouwer Toews Kane
Ladd Sharp Hossa
Versteeg Bolland Byfuglien
Kopecky Madden Eager/Burish

Keith Seabrook <------Norris winner and a top-10 D-man
Campbell <-------a top-pairing d-man on most teams

and even then......they didn't blow away competition.

The Oilers core is of the same calibre, but lacking in depth.
This team is good enough to make the playoffs, but will
need stronger depth/role players to make some noise.

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02-10-2013, 07:48 AM
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You guys realize they are slumping right now right? The teams s% is in the toilet and that's just plain bad luck. Oh and were 2 points out of a playoff spot with a game in hand. Things are not that bad guys, just a few bad games. Don't panic.
It's acceptable for 1 or 2 players to slump. It's not acceptable for 90% of the team to be slumping.

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02-10-2013, 08:03 AM
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I don't quite understand this thread, did someone actually expect us to be a top 5 team or even a lock to make the playoffs? I thought most people expected us to not make the playoffs, with an outside shot of finishing 8th.
Lots did. You had to be in a coma not to notice. I think it was due to the dawning of a new season and a stable of 1st overalls and Scultz's emergance. Voices of reason thought they had an outside chance or were going to slightly improve.

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I don't understand this post at all. First page seems like a handful of flames fans. The oilers are a highly skilled young team, however skill doesn't prevent goal. The lack of quaility veterans is clear and evident to anyone with pulse. Bottom 6 all execpt harti petrell and jones (baring he's the 3 line 15+ goal scorer and pk specialist before injury) need a revamp. But you keep your top 6.

Gagner on pace for 48 points
Hall on pace for 44 points
Eberle on pace for 35 points
Yakupov on pace for 35 points
Hemsky on pace for 30 points
NUG on pace for 24 points
J.Schutz on pace for 30 points

Hall-NUG-Eberle (clear number one)
Hemsky-Gagner-Yakupov
Harti-????-Jones
????-????-Petrell
Eager

Smid-Petry
Schultz-Schultz
????-????
Fistric

Who i want Gone: smyth, horcoff, belanger, whitney, potter, sutton, peckham
The oilers lack vet presents but yet the only thing holding them back is there vets. Tough sinerio to get out of but they are far from the worst team and show some promise.
I'd love to get Zubrus for a 3rd line center... but in reality every year the UFA market is looking slimmer and slimmer.

I won't be surprised if Lander gets that 4th line spot next year.
As for the 3rd pairing if you don't want Fistric in there full time we're going to be in big trouble. I wouldn't be surprised to see Klefbom playing full time 1/2 into the 13/14 season.

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I agree, much much better to keep expectations at a very very low level. As a matter of fact do this for year after year after year after year. It is for sure much more fun to think the oilers will be bottom 2 every year and then be happily surprised when they end up 5th from the bottom.

This is a loser team, a loser front office, a loser media and they have done a fin job of creating loser fans who are happy just to have a team it seems.

I know, I know.....you expect us to challenge for a playoff spot 'next year.'
This team needs to finish out of the playoffs and get another very good pick if its going to be a great team down the road. It has some great pieces to build around but it also has many many holes.

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This team needs to finish out of the playoffs and get another very good pick if its going to be a great team down the road. It has some great pieces to build around but it also has many many holes.
How many high picks do you need. Three 1st overall picks is almost unprecidented. Not only that you are also picking at the top of every round. The rose is off the bloom a bit as far as McGregor is concerned, his 2nd rounders and lower have done jack all and some of the picks are total head scratchers. Mitch Moroz 2nd pick in the 2nd round? Please.

In any case this team is at a point where they should be winning or looking good losing. I still feel we have just horrendous leadership on this team and by far the worst captain in the league.

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It's acceptable for 1 or 2 players to slump. It's not acceptable for 90% of the team to be slumping.
well, for 90% of the team to be slumping, and still be 4-4-3, that doesn't look like a
"horrible, over hyped, last place team" like everyone is blubberin on about....
just think, ...what if the 90% get out of their slump? I wonder how many so called fans will be chasing after the wagon?

the Oil lose a 1 goal game to Detroit, and on the main board an Oilers fan starts a "who do the Oilers pick 1st overall" is rather pathetic!
I swear the fanbase is getting overbearing, and I can understand the hate we are receiving.

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the oilers style of game right now would work in the east.. but in the big bad west..? nope.

undersized is also an issue.

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well, for 90% of the team to be slumping, and still be 4-4-3, that doesn't look like a
"horrible, over hyped, last place team" like everyone is blubberin on about....
just think, ...what if the 90% get out of their slump? I wonder how many so called fans will be chasing after the wagon?

the Oil lose a 1 goal game to Detroit, and on the main board an Oilers fan starts a "who do the Oilers pick 1st overall" is rather pathetic!
I swear the fanbase is getting overbearing, and I can understand the hate we are receiving.
NO no no no.

Not talking about getting a lottery pick.

If that happens... then I'm going to start hating myself for not having the gall to start cheering for another team.

There are a lot of teams with big issues to resolve this year and we're on the upswing. I can't stand the idea of us falling out of playoff contention. Would I mind us getting 8th or 7th place so that we could face Vancouver in the first round? Sure... but until we can see who's going to end up where in the top 4, I have no time for this slump.

All 3 of those overtime loses could have been a win.

It's amazing that we were in the Detroit game as long as we were. If the team had been playing well that would've been an easy win.

I have no patience for this and I think we've got every right to say so. We supposedly had an advantage because so many of our team's players had been playing together before the beginning of the season.

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the oilers style of game right now would work in the east.. but in the big bad west..? nope.

undersized is also an issue.
IMO it is not. Size being necessary to be a good hockey team is quite overrated.

We are barely scoring as it is. Adding size (at the inevitable cost of skill) won't help us.

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