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02-10-2013, 04:20 PM
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Winnipeg - Dallas

To Winnipeg:
D Brenden Dillon

To Dallas:
D Paul Postma

Postma is more offensive and RHD while Dillon is a LHD and is a bigger more defensive/two way style dman. The Jets have an overabundance of RHD and Offensive Dmen, and Dallas has 4 LHD and no real PPQB type that I can tell from seeing them a few games this year, especially with Goligoski struggling.

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Nope. Way too small. We're not giving up what size we have.

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Postma is 6'3 195.

I think the Jets would want a bit more return than that.

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Complete misunderstanding of Dallas's defense problems. When it comes to big defensemen, he is the best the Stars have.

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Jesus, no.

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Not bad value, but I think both teams would rather just keep their young player.

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Not bad value, but I think both teams would rather just keep their young player.
Right. Absolutely no sense in the trade. Dallas is clearly better off sticking with the guy they know. No need to take on another young defender when you're perfectly satisfied with the one you have.

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02-10-2013, 10:39 PM
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Postma is 6'3 195.

I think the Jets would want a bit more return than that.
Height is the same. Dillon is 20+ lbs heavier. That's where he's too small.

The 2nd statement probably proves he has more value to us right now. Both teams are better off keeping their players.

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02-10-2013, 10:51 PM
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Right. Absolutely no sense in the trade. Dallas is clearly better off sticking with the guy they know. No need to take on another young defender when you're perfectly satisfied with the one you have.
Just to be clear, the premise is that Wpg has too many good RHD, too few good LHD, and mutual benefit would accrue from a swap with a team that has the opposite problem. Is Dallas such a team?
There is no dissatisfaction with Postma's skill set, just no room for him to play on the Rt side.

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02-10-2013, 11:52 PM
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Just to be clear, the premise is that Wpg has too many good RHD, too few good LHD, and mutual benefit would accrue from a swap with a team that has the opposite problem. Is Dallas such a team?
There is no dissatisfaction with Postma's skill set, just no room for him to play on the Rt side.
That's a new wrinkle to the trade, but it has no impact on Dallas' position.

Daley has played his entire career almost at RD in Dallas, and both Robidas and Larsen are right shot D. Oleksiak is currently playing RD, the position in played in Austin this year with two different left shot partners.

Thanks for adding details about Winnipeg's need, but it's still unnecessary from Dallas' POV.

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Just to be clear, the premise is that Wpg has too many good RHD, too few good LHD, and mutual benefit would accrue from a swap with a team that has the opposite problem. Is Dallas such a team?
There is no dissatisfaction with Postma's skill set, just no room for him to play on the Rt side.
No, Dallas's problem is a coach who believes that a small defenseman must be paired with a large, physical defenseman. If you look at the roster, the strength is in the small defenseman position (Goligoski, Daley, Larsen, Robidas) and the weakness is in the large defensemen (Dillon, Oleksiak, Rome), ie 2 rookies and a 7th defenseman. Trading our best big defenseman makes zero sense unless a better big defenseman is coming back.

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No, Dallas's problem is a coach who believes that a small defenseman must be paired with a large, physical defenseman. If you look at the roster, the strength is in the small defenseman position (Goligoski, Daley, Larsen, Robidas) and the weakness is in the large defensemen (Dillon, Oleksiak, Rome), ie 2 rookies and a 7th defenseman. Trading our best big defenseman makes zero sense unless a better big defenseman is coming back.
Postma isn't small, and I wouldn't be shocked if him being listed at 195 lbs. is an older number.

Oleksiak is still listed at around 240 lbs. some places, but we know he got over 250 lbs. as recently as the start of the season (AHL).

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02-11-2013, 12:00 AM
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Postma isn't small, and I wouldn't be shocked if him being listed at 195 lbs. is an older number.

Oleksiak is still listed at around 240 lbs. some places, but we know he got over 250 lbs. as recently as the start of the season (AHL).
Is he an upgrade over Dillon? I doubt there would be a proposal from Jets fans if he was.

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How about adding

A 2013 1st from Dallas
Telegin from winnipeg

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How about adding

A 2013 1st from Dallas
Telegin from winnipeg
Umm, no.

That pick could even be top 10. In which case this trade would be insane.

Original trade seems fair value but both teams say no. Why trade a young defensemen the organisation knows for one they don't?

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Postma isn't small, and I wouldn't be shocked if him being listed at 195 lbs. is an older number.

Oleksiak is still listed at around 240 lbs. some places, but we know he got over 250 lbs. as recently as the start of the season (AHL).
Young Dallas player sizes keep randomly jumping even during the season. For example Reilly Smith has been 6'1" 190 (either listed on sites or listings during games), 6' 157(that one won't go away, that's probably his weight when he entered college..broadcast a couple games ago listed him at that size), and to start the season in Dallas 6' 185 when the NHL season started.

Dillon I think was listed at 6'3" 228 in Cedar Park(he doesn't look that heavy) and 6'3" 210 in Dallas.

Oleksiak jumps from 242 to 254 depending on the day. Vincour has been 6'2" and 6'3" and his weight listing changes by a few pounds. Heck even Jamie Benn's weight is listed differently at different times.

Anyway, just some random observations. Never seen that happen with top level pro franchises.

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Is he an upgrade over Dillon? I doubt there would be a proposal from Jets fans if he was.




As stated above, there is no dissatisfaction with the play of Postma. It is merely a numbers game where the JETS have too many right handed defensemen (Buff, Bogosian, Postma, Redmond and Trouba in the pipeline) and not nearly enough NHL ready left handers.

For Postma to be effective at his game, he needs power play time and with Buff and Bogosian ahead of him, he likely won't get enough of a chance.

And outside of Enstrom, the JETS have Stuart who is a lefty, but only a bottom pairing guy and Hainsey who is an upcoming UFA who may even be traded at the deadline if he intends on testing the free agent market. Clitsome likely won't be back next year either.

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As stated above, there is no dissatisfaction with the play of Postma. It is merely a numbers game where the JETS have too many right handed defensemen (Buff, Bogosian, Postma, Redmond and Trouba in the pipeline) and not nearly enough NHL ready left handers.

For Postma to be effective at his game, he needs power play time and with Buff and Bogosian ahead of him, he likely won't get enough of a chance.

And outside of Enstrom, the JETS have Stuart who is a lefty, but only a bottom pairing guy and Hainsey who is an upcoming UFA who may even be traded at the deadline if he intends on testing the free agent market. Clitsome likely won't be back next year either.
I wasn't trying to be dismissive of how good he is or isn't.

If he needs pp time he probably isn't a good fit since Daley, Robidas, Goligoski, and Roy are on the pp.

The Stars value what Dillon does, and he is the best defenseman they have with that skillset. He won't be moved unless it is for an upgrade with the same tools.

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